Training Over the Years

[StevenNevets]

Originally Posted by MyRiddum

You're not "that" big though.. I guarantee there's always bigger guys in the gym when you're there.

Dont get me wrong, you look really good.. but I think the pics are fooling us just a bit..

I agree with everyone on here who says "juice".. I am not new to *ahem* bodybuilding.. and do you notice how 90% of guys just dont ever really grow?.. Well guess how the other 10% make gains at a nice rate.. Yeah, you guessed it.

The guys I work out with are 10~% bodyfat at 230-250 pounds. Me no stupid.

So you think he started using steroids when he was 13? The progress from 13 to 17 is really steady and his avatar is believable when you look at 17 and add 3 more years of training to a guy who obviously has good genetics.

[MyRiddum]

Originally Posted by StevenNevets

So you think he started using steroids when he was 13? The progress from 13 to 17 is really steady and his avatar is believable when you look at 17 and add 3 more years of training to a guy who obviously has good genetics.

a couple small cycles could give someone with genetics huge gains.. especially at the age he is. The testosterone problems with being young and running cycles make it difficult for me to promote the idea... but at his age the gains would be as good as it seems.

Then we all have to assume these pics are with good angle, low light, lower quality.. plus after a good gym pump..
anything is possible.


Im not "calling out" anyone.. Im just making conversation, pointing out randomness..
(but it is comical reading all the natty guys on here say "see, its possible!" ...9/10 times, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is)

[dunkalicious]

you had better chest at 14 than I'll ever have.

[Retardo-pex]

Originally Posted by JoeSchmo

Run a search on my posts and you can find my routines throughout the process...

The only supplements I take are whey protein and creatine.

When I search your posted threads all I see are "looking back"/"my pics from when I began" threads is your routine/diet info buried away in those somewhere or do you just post a new picture progress thread every year for yourself?

[Retardo-pex]

Originally Posted by rjodwyer

No, you don't.

If I can squat/dead those numbers I'm sure he would have no problems. The bench isn't even out of this world considering how big his chest/shoulders/arms are.

[JoeSchmo]

Originally Posted by Retardo-pex

When I search your posted threads all I see are "looking back"/"my pics from when I began" threads is your routine/diet info buried away in those somewhere or do you just post a new picture progress thread every year for yourself?

Chest
Bench press 1x10,8,6,4,2/12
Barbell incline press 1x10,8,8,6
*Barbell decline press 1x10,8,8
Dumbbell incline press 1x10,8,86
Cable flies 1x12, 10, 10, 8 (alternate cross)
*Machine flies 1x10,8,8

* Choose one

Legs
Squats 1x10,8,6,4,2/12
Barbell lunges 1x12,10,8,6
Stiff-legged deadlift 1x12,10,10,8
Leg extensions 1x10,8,8,8 (individual legs)
Leg curls 1x10,8,8,8 (individual legs)
Standing calf raises 3x20
Seated calf raises 3x15

Arms
Dips 1x10,8,6,4,2
Close grip bench press 1x10,8,8,6
Skull crushers 1x10,8,8
Cable extensions 1x10,8,8 (individual arms)
Dumbbell kickbacks 1x10,8,8,6
Dumbbell curls 1x10, 8, 8, 6 (alternate arms)
Barbell curls 1x10,8,8
Hammer curls 1x10,8
Wrist curls 1x10,10,8
Reverse curls 1x10,8,8

Shoulders
Standing military press x10,8,6,6
Seated dumbbell press 1x10,8,8,6
Lateral dumbbell raises 1x10,8,8
Rear dumbbell raises 1x10,8,8,6

Back
Deadlift 1x10,8,6,4,2/12
Barbell rows 1x12,10,8,8,6
Lat pulldown 1x10,8,8,6,4
Dumbbell rows 1x10,8,8,8
Shrugs 1x20,15,15
Back extensions 1x12,10,8,8

[OmniscientCause]

are those ur splits? or do u do multiple body parts each day

[Project84]

Originally Posted by JoeSchmo

The only supplements I take are whey protein and creatine.

Being the rookie I am, I hate to say it out loud and be banished, but... I don't see any reason why people take more than whey and creatine... maybe a multivitamin on top of those two, but that's it.

I just made a post today on the "today on wheycheap.com" thread asking why some of those guys are like 5'8" and 150 lbs but use 8 different supplements. Idiots.

Props for being huge and staying dedicated at such a young age. When I was 14 or 15 I'd rather be chasing girls or sneaking beers than lifting.

[BEhave]

Originally Posted by Project84

Being the rookie I am, I hate to say it out loud and be banished, but... I don't see any reason why people take more than whey and creatine... maybe a multivitamin on top of those two, but that's it.

I just made a post today on the "today on wheycheap.com" thread asking why some of those guys are like 5'8" and 150 lbs but use 8 different supplements. Idiots.

Props for being huge and staying dedicated at such a young age. When I was 14 or 15 I'd rather be chasing girls or sneaking beers than lifting.

lol I think your right. don't think all of that stuff is necessary. All I have ever taken in whey and not that often.

[JoeSchmo]

Originally Posted by OmniscientCause

are those ur splits? or do u do multiple body parts each day

Split. I usually have a day of rest between back and chest.

[Supercows]

Did you ever do any strength training for the core lifts?

Whats your 5rm on bench with clean form?

Where were your 3 lifts when you first started lifting?

[Supercows]

Originally Posted by Supercows

Did you ever do any strength training for the core lifts?

Whats your 5rm on bench with clean form?

Where were your 3 lifts when you first started lifting?

bump to my question

[JoeSchmo]

Originally Posted by Supercows

Did you ever do any strength training for the core lifts?

I haven't performed any strength training since high school, which was approximately 3 years ago.

Whats your 5rm on bench with clean form?

Prior to my cut I was doing: 10x185, 8x285, 6x365, 3-4x385, 1-2x400-410

Where were your 3 lifts when you first started lifting?

Bench: 65 lbs.
Squat: 185
Deadlift: ??? I remember maxing out around high 200s the first time I deadlifted (I had been cleaning for some time at that point..)

Please note that puberty probably helped my lifts quite a bit.

[Supercows]

How the hell did you get so strong?

[wilkzyboi]

I find it a tad insulting that people are saying ''look, it's possible''

''all it takes is hard work and dedication''

There a hundreds of people who work as hard as joe on all aspects of bodybuilding but will never acheive his awesome physqiue in their entire lives, let alone at the age of 18.

So some of these people are naive IMO.

Joe has done tremendously well, to get like that at his age, but it takes a combination of 2 things - work ethic and genetics.

Most people can have the work ethic but not the genetics, therefore it will take these people considerably longer to reach those type of levels...if ever.

Sp while joe's physique is to be admired and applauded i don't quite agree with the way some people are sucking his d*ck and preaching about hard work in this thread, like any average sod can work hard at bodybuilding and look like that.

[Big Natural]

Originally Posted by wilkzyboi

I find it a tad insulting that people are saying ''look, it's possible''

''all it takes is hard work and dedication''

There a hundreds of people who work as hard as joe on all aspects of bodybuilding but will never acheive his awesome physqiue in their entire lives, let alone at the age of 18.

So some of these people are naive IMO.

Joe has done tremendously well, to get like that at his age, but it takes a combination of 2 things - work ethic and genetics.

Most people can have the work ethic but not the genetics, therefore it will take these people considerably longer to reach those type of levels...if ever.

Sp while joe's physique is to be admired and applauded i don't quite agree with the way some people are sucking his d*ck and preaching about hard work in this thread, like any average sod can work hard at bodybuilding and look like that.

Hm I do not agree with you. What a lot of people forget is just plain 'sticking to the plan'.

Look at Layne Norton for instance, Skip, Joeschmo but also JamerJay and BigEvan. It comes down to doing the same thing incrementaly heavier during long periods of time. Food and training go hand in hand in this.

I tried to put this to the test by just doing my lifts every week. No off periods, just training the same musclegroups every week. Even if i felt off I went and lifted.

I could have never imagined the gains I made just by being faithfull to the plan. I went from a 250 bench to a 330 in 3 months time. Usually I was always stuck at 270 just because I never lifted regularly. No plateau bullsh*t, no wacky supplements, no special ninja training methods, just dumb lifting every week.

My next goal is a 440 bench by the end of this year and I know I will make it by just lifting week in week out .

[Supercows]

Originally Posted by wilkzyboi

I find it a tad insulting that people are saying ''look, it's possible''

''all it takes is hard work and dedication''

There a hundreds of people who work as hard as joe on all aspects of bodybuilding but will never acheive his awesome physqiue in their entire lives, let alone at the age of 18.

So some of these people are naive IMO.

Joe has done tremendously well, to get like that at his age, but it takes a combination of 2 things - work ethic and genetics.

Most people can have the work ethic but not the genetics, therefore it will take these people considerably longer to reach those type of levels...if ever.

Sp while joe's physique is to be admired and applauded i don't quite agree with the way some people are sucking his d*ck and preaching about hard work in this thread, like any average sod can work hard at bodybuilding and look like that.

Negged for bad advice, it takes more than hard work & genes.

[TT1]

Amazing!

[StevenNevets]

Any updates Joe?

[I_Enigma_I]

your to jacked you ****

[StevenNevets]

Originally Posted by I_Enigma_I

your to jacked you ****

epic bump for our fallen prince

[OTG]

Awesome gains and physique over the years bro.

[KurtBoy]

Your chest is so perfect i feel like ****.


No homo

[thickmass]

Originally Posted by KurtBoy

Your chest is so perfect i feel like ****.


No homo

who knows what it's like now. That avatar was taken years ago

[safi connection]

Originally Posted by Big Natural

Hm I do not agree with you. What a lot of people forget is just plain 'sticking to the plan'.

Look at Layne Norton for instance, Skip, Joeschmo but also JamerJay and BigEvan. It comes down to doing the same thing incrementaly heavier during long periods of time. Food and training go hand in hand in this.

I tried to put this to the test by just doing my lifts every week. No off periods, just training the same musclegroups every week. Even if i felt off I went and lifted.

I could have never imagined the gains I made just by being faithfull to the plan. I went from a 250 bench to a 330 in 3 months time. Usually I was always stuck at 270 just because I never lifted regularly. No plateau bullsh*t, no wacky supplements, no special ninja training methods, just dumb lifting every week.

My next goal is a 440 bench by the end of this year and I know I will make it by just lifting week in week out .

so the big secret to massive gains is simply going to the gym everweek and not missing a workout? no ****, pretty sure 95% of the people who are interested in gaining mass lift every week, without quit, with maybe a week off every couple of months for recovery.

furthermore all the guys you listed, layne, skip, have godlike genetics as well. hell layne is a natural pro, you really think the average person could get as big as him naturally?

it's a sad (but simple) fact that if you take 100 guys, put them on the exact same diet/workout plan the OP is on then you might get 1 or 2 guys max who get the sort of results he does. not taking away from him, he no doubt worked his butt off, but it was that hard work PLUS genetics that = result.

[Big Natural]

Originally Posted by safi connection

so the big secret to massive gains is simply going to the gym everweek and not missing a workout? no ****, pretty sure 95% of the people who are interested in gaining mass lift every week, without quit, with maybe a week off every couple of months for recovery.

furthermore all the guys you listed, layne, skip, have godlike genetics as well. hell layne is a natural pro, you really think the average person could get as big as him naturally?

it's a sad (but simple) fact that if you take 100 guys, put them on the exact same diet/workout plan the OP is on then you might get 1 or 2 guys max who get the sort of results he does. not taking away from him, he no doubt worked his butt off, but it was that hard work PLUS genetics that = result.

Ofcourse everybody is different, my problem with people claiming they can't get big is that in most cases they do not stick around.

I care to disagree with Layne on that one. He has rather bad genetics (he says so himself), his consistency, intensity and diet set him apart. Layne is actually a perfect example of what I mean.

I am training one of my colleagues now and he is a pure ecto that made some nice gaines in a month time, only with being consistent.

It's not hard man, try it!

[JoeSchmo]

Originally Posted by thickmass

who knows what it's like now. That avatar was taken years ago

I'm still about the same size. Currently, I'm leaning out so that I can re-achieve a similar look during the next few months. In my avatar, I'm around 205-210; crrently, I'm around 225 so it will be a while before I can successfully shed some of the excess weight.

[JoeSchmo]

Originally Posted by safi connection

so the big secret to massive gains is simply going to the gym everweek and not missing a workout? no ****, pretty sure 95% of the people who are interested in gaining mass lift every week, without quit, with maybe a week off every couple of months for recovery.

Well, that's the problem. 95% of people will workout on a consistent basis but will not 1) ensure that they're receiving the appropriate amounts of macronutrients on a daily basis, 2) sleeping enough, 3) constructing workouts that maximize muscle gains or 4) workout with the intensity necessary to grow.

Originally Posted by safi connection

furthermore all the guys you listed, layne, skip, have godlike genetics as well. hell layne is a natural pro, you really think the average person could get as big as him naturally?


it's a sad (but simple) fact that if you take 100 guys, put them on the exact same diet/workout plan the OP is on then you might get 1 or 2 guys max who get the sort of results he does. not taking away from him, he no doubt worked his butt off, but it was that hard work PLUS genetics that = result.

If you've seen my progress pictures, then you know that I have a natural predisposition towards lower body fat percentages which provide the illusion of enlarged muscles. Obviously my biceps are not 10 inches, but they're not 20 inches; they may simply look larger than normal because of my lower body fat and larger frame. Whether that is an explanation that people accept is their business; I try to act as a role model for those who wish to remain natural. What I've built IS possible for someone who shuns steroids. While my exact proportions may not be possible for everyone, but it is something to consider -- bodies can grow to sizable dimensions without the use of hormone boosters.

As I mentioned, achieving my exact look might be impossible for some. Why? Because everyone has a different genetic code governing the physical dimensions of their frames, their metabolic rates and their recovery rates. Despite these differences, I do not wish to attribute all of my success to my genetic composition; for that would undermine the hours of sweat that I have devoted towards improving my health and my physique. In fact, I would attribute the vast majority of my success to my hard work. I research what I eat. I research the effects of supplementation on my body. I change my workouts to address lacking body parts. Anyone who thinks that genetics plays anything more than 10% of a role is just deluding him or herself.

Keep plowing through the workouts. Eat well. Stay focused.

[mr monday]

Not to take anything away from JoeSchmo, but in regards to the posts about his genetics and so forth: he has been training consistently for many years, but has only gained - on average - about 10-15lbs of bodyweight a year.

That isn't exactly wild and crazy progress, it's just the consistency and work ethic piled on top of years that has produced a really quality physique. Intensity and consistency will always trump genetics and circumstance, and if you guys see this and think you aren't capable of it - then your attitude has just crippled you, not your body.

Just my 2 cents on the issue.

Question for JoeSchmo:

What kind of form do you use on the bench press to build your pecs?

There has always been debate on the best way to bench for pectoral development, and I wanted your input.

[Greater Deity]

Repped. Excellent work for all natural. Keep it up!
- Deity