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10-07-2009, 10:28 AM
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Is it true height does have an affect when lifting.
I was wondering if it is true for someone who is like 6ft4 ish finds it harder to bench lets say 200lbs compared to a man who is 5ft7 and lifts the same?
Because i've noticed the people in the gym i attend its always the people under 6ft who seems to lift the heaviest, im not sure if it is coincidence or it is a factor.
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10-07-2009, 10:31 AM
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it's not about height as much as length of limbs/torso etc.
what i mean is this:
a 6'10 man with a 5'5 wingspan and an extremely long torso will be an awesome bencher. even though he is 6'10, his short wingspan means the bar won't have to travel very far, combined with the fact that his long torso allows him to get a crazy arch. this guy has ideal leverages for benching
obviously this is a crazy example, im just trying to prove a point
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"When im curling up a 15lb dumbell and enter the peak contracted position, if i turn my pinky and ring finger counterclockwise ever so slightly but parallel to the hypotenuse of the equator, will this result in satellite cell proliferation and the release of fibroblast growth factors...resulting in mindblowing swoleness of ones arms?"
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10-07-2009, 10:55 AM
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Yeah i see what you mean buti n general i think taller people are going to have longer limbs (i think anyway)
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10-07-2009, 10:58 AM
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It seems like everybody searches for an excuse as to why they're weak.
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10-07-2009, 11:03 AM
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Definately. If a 5'8" guy can bench 250, and a 6'2" guy can bench 250, the short guy is gonna look bigger because hes shorter
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10-07-2009, 11:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BrbGettinHyooge
It seems like everybody searches for an excuse as to why they're weak.
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This.
Most likely it's due to the fact that they're comparing same BW instead of same size. Of course a 5'5 170 guy is going to have larger arms and chest so why shouldn't he bench more than the 6'0 170 guy?
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10-07-2009, 11:18 AM
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Man, height doesn't really matter. It's just about the person and how proportional they are. If you're tall or short and you're a twig, you won't lift sh*t. If you're tall or short and stocky, chances are you will throw up some weight. I don't see the 6'4" football players at school complaining about their height when they're throwin up huge numbers. It's all just an excuse people use.
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10-07-2009, 11:21 AM
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No, another myth used as an excuse.
One of the strongest Raw lifters Konstantin Konstantinovs is around 6'2'' His competition in Stan Efferding is also around 6'0''.
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10-07-2009, 11:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ybarrama
Man, height doesn't really matter. It's just about the person and how proportional they are. If you're tall or short and you're a twig, you won't lift sh*t. If you're tall or short and stocky, chances are you will throw up some weight. I don't see the 6'4" football players at school complaining about their height when they're throwin up huge numbers. It's all just an excuse people use.
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This is exactly how I see it, excuses get you nowhere.
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10-07-2009, 12:18 PM
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even though it is an excuse in most cases. Can't help but notice that only 5ft11 and below are trashing the topic :P
I really do think that short people/limbs advance faster in terms of lifts, but its marginal at best. And you aint really tall before you hit 6,5-> imo
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10-07-2009, 12:33 PM
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I think it is moreso the shorter dude will always look bigger. He isn't necessarily stronger..
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10-07-2009, 12:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Loswaldo
No, another myth used as an excuse.
One of the strongest Raw lifters Konstantin Konstantinovs is around 6'2'' His competition in Stan Efferding is also around 6'0''.
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LOL'ed hard
you don't think konstantinovs is built for DLing? lololol
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10-07-2009, 12:38 PM
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If anyone is actually interested in powerlifting/the role of leverages, check out this quote.
"this is from an interview with ED COAN.
Q: What kind of genetic profile makes for a good powerlifter?
Coan: Big hips, big ass, and between medium to long arms. Most tend to be shorter guys. If you're six foot or over, you'd have to compensate by weighing 350 pounds to balance out your leverages. "
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"When im curling up a 15lb dumbell and enter the peak contracted position, if i turn my pinky and ring finger counterclockwise ever so slightly but parallel to the hypotenuse of the equator, will this result in satellite cell proliferation and the release of fibroblast growth factors...resulting in mindblowing swoleness of ones arms?"
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10-07-2009, 12:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ka0s
If anyone is actually interested in powerlifting/the role of leverages, check out this quote.
"this is from an interview with ED COAN.
Q: What kind of genetic profile makes for a good powerlifter?
Coan: Big hips, big ass, and between medium to long arms. Most tend to be shorter guys. If you're six foot or over, you'd have to compensate by weighing 350 pounds to balance out your leverages. "
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10-07-2009, 12:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scarboro
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for DLs
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10-07-2009, 12:53 PM
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10-07-2009, 12:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BrbGettinHyooge
It seems like everybody searches for an excuse as to why they're weak.
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Originally Posted by scarboro
This.
Most likely it's due to the fact that they're comparing same BW instead of same size. Of course a 5'5 170 guy is going to have larger arms and chest so why shouldn't he bench more than the 6'0 170 guy?
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says the 5'7 crew lulz. jp.
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10-07-2009, 01:27 PM
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Seems the only ones saying height is an excuse are the ones who don't have it.
Nothing proven to back up the theory so I don't really care for it, might be true and it might not, but don't use it as backup for one's shortcomings.
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10-07-2009, 01:32 PM
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im 5' 11" and have a 6' 1" wingspan and i've never had a problem with bench.
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10-07-2009, 01:33 PM
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I'd love to find a study or example stating that squatting when you are 5'5" is just as hard as it is for somebody who is 6'5".
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10-07-2009, 01:42 PM
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Quote:
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LOL'ed hard
you don't think konstantinovs is built for DLing? lololol
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I didn't say that. I said that people use height as an excuse.
But then you have alot of people who are over 6'0'' who are pulling well over 500lbs RAW.
It's all about levers and being taller, means you have bigger leavers therefore should be able to move more weight. I know this, but as I have said there are many people who don't and use their height as an excuse.
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10-07-2009, 03:36 PM
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As being a 6'3/6'4 person with pretty long arms I'd say it does seem like I have to push the weight alot farther than my workout buddy who is 5'6, making it a little tougher.
Call it an excuse for not being able to lift as much, but thats just from my point of view. Either way, my goal is my goal, and I could care regardless of what shorter people can lift, it's just part of life and I deal with it.
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10-07-2009, 03:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RMcDonagh
Seems the only ones saying height is an excuse are the ones who don't have it.
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and vice versa
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10-07-2009, 04:04 PM
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You guys do realize that just because you're X inches taller, it doesn't mean your arms are X inches longer. So a 5inch difference is only possibly 2-3inches longer arm.
The big difference here is that since you have a longer arm/body, for the same bodyweight you lack the mass the short guy is packing on his chest/arms.
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10-07-2009, 04:09 PM
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Are you stupid? Did you just read to the last sentance? It says of somone was 6 foot or more they would need to be 350 pounds to compensate for the long leavers. The long arms is only for DL because you don't need to move the rest of your arm as much
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10-07-2009, 04:11 PM
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Basic physics will prove that the taller man(with longer arms) will have to do significantly more work per rep of the bench press because they are pushing the weight to a greater displacement.
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Quote:
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Basic physics will prove that the taller man(with longer arms) will have to do significantly more work per rep of the bench press because they are pushing the weight to a greater displacement.
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The wingspan length difference is not additive in the displacement. The only relevant number is the arm length. Now unless I get some height +arm length numbers I can only estimate that the displacement %increase is maybe as much as 10. But as you know, bench pressing is not a uniformly accelerated lift so the relationship of forcexdistance is not linear. If this were true, then you'd be able to get 4 quarter reps of your max. But you're able to get more than 4 quarter reps of your max. We can assume the relationship will most likely be logarithmic, in which case FML, it turns out tall guys have a harder time benching.
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10-07-2009, 05:41 PM
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Two things:
1) You do more work the larger the displacement of the weight, so people with longer limbs do, in fact, do more work. No arguing with that point.
2) Most people that are taller have thinner frames than shorter people. Different body types have different lifting abilities. However, there are some tall people that have thicker frames and shorter people with smaller frames, it's just most often the other way around.
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10-07-2009, 06:06 PM
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I'd rather be 6 ft benching 300 than 5'7 benching 300
Seems more powerfull
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They basically said it all, if your shorter you may look stronger but if your taller you could be just as strong. It does not matter unless it comes down to arm length stuff like that
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