Let's discuss safety of 2-Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine (Possible drug found in SX )

[TrueNorth]

but I wasn't able to find anything. There has to be some tucked away somehwere...

Edit - For the layman, DMPK studies are info on what a substance is doing to your body, AND what your body is doing to the substance. This can change depending on route of adminsitration.

[Stomp]

I bought a bottle of SX out of curiosity, mostly because of all the glowing reviews. I have used maybe 5-6 pills before this discussion started. I used it mostly as an energy booster after sleepless nights ( I have those sometimes).

Since the effects lasted so unbelievably long I monitored my heart rate and blood pressure occasionally but they were within the normal range. What I have noticed is that my (short term) memory has suffered somewhat, I forget things and if I have said something or just thought about saying.

I have also had difficulties in mathematic skills. I have never been good at math but some things are just ridicilous: a few days after consuming SX I went to the gym and suddenly I noticed that I couldn`t sum the plates on the bar, I had to count them on my training manual with a pen. It felt like a part of my brain just totally stopped working.

It could be that I am only paranoid and imagining this because of these threads / posts but i still wanted to share this.

[DR_P]

Originally Posted by Stomp

I bought a bottle of SX out of curiosity, mostly because of all the glowing reviews. I have used maybe 5-6 pills before this discussion started. I used it mostly as an energy booster after sleepless nights ( I have those sometimes).

Since the effects lasted so unbelievably long I monitored my heart rate and blood pressure occasionally but they were within the normal range. What I have noticed is that my (short term) memory has suffered somewhat, I forget things and if I have said something or just thought about saying.

I have also had difficulties in mathematic skills. I have never been good at math but some things are just ridicilous: a few after consuming SX I went to the gym and suddenly I noticed that I couldn`t sum the plates on the bar, I had to count them on my training manual with a pen. It felt like a part of my brain just totally stopped working.

It could be that I am only paranoid and imagining this because of these threads / posts but i still wanted to share this.

you are not paranoid, I had the same problems (minus the math problems) and they increased dramatically after a 3-week cycle of this product and lasted for several weeks thereafter.
I am not a biochemist, but I read somewhere that some amphetamines may have "pseudo-anticholinergic" effects. Not sure if this might explain that some people may experience such dramatic effects on cognitive function.

Or this stuff has neurotoxic potential, which may hit certain people who have a predisposition.

Whatever it is, it isn't good.

[Stomp]

Originally Posted by DR_P

you are not paranoid, I had the same problems (minus the math problems) and they increased dramatically after a 3-week cycle of this product and lasted for several weeks thereafter.
I am not a biochemist, but I read somewhere that some amphetamines may have "pseudo-anticholinergic" effects. Not sure if this might explain that some people may experience such dramatic effects on cognitive function.

Or this stuff has neurotoxic potential, which may hit certain people who have a predisposition.

Whatever it is, it isn't good.

I just hope this isn`t permanent. It is a weird feeling when using SX you feel like you can accomplish almost anything and when the effects wear off you start noticing that in some ways you are almost an idiot...

I am an experienced ECA (or actually just EC) user and I never had these kind of problems with it. Maybe tiredness and a slight lack of motivation after discontinuing, but not cognitive problems.

[DR_P]

Originally Posted by Stomp

I just hope this isn`t permanent. It is a weird feeling when using SX you feel like you can accomplish almost anything and when the effects wear off you start noticing that in some ways you are almost an idiot...

I am an experienced ECA (or actually just EC) user and I never had these kind of problems with it. Maybe tiredness and a slight lack of motivation after discontinuing, but not cognitive problems.

same here. I have been taking quite a few "fat-loss" products in the past years (most of them being based on caffeine, yohimbine, green tea extract etc..., and did never have cognitive problems, not even close...

what strikes me is that these cognitive problems appear to be rather rarely reported here. What I found interesting is that you are 42y old, and I am also not too much younger.
Maybe, the "aging" brain is more prone be negatively influenced by this product and to indicate potentially anti-cholinerig or neurotoxic effects than in young people who are in their 20ies.

[Pho3NiX]

Originally Posted by Stomp

I just hope this isn`t permanent. It is a weird feeling when using SX you feel like you can accomplish almost anything and when the effects wear off you start noticing that in some ways you are almost an idiot...

It could be something as DR_P experienced or it could be something different...

That feeling of back to idiot off a medicament is also something that user of add/ahhd medication experiment very often. Just look at add discutions board / blog / etc : they end up describing having the hard choice between being a potent someone else or being themselves and an idiot. Aside from concentration issue those drug affect the personality of the user which is an effect they don't want.

Many user of SX found that it share some effect of those medication, you could be self medicating without knowing it...

[DR_P]

Originally Posted by Pho3NiX

It could be something as DR_P experienced or it could be something different...

That feeling of back to idiot off a medicament is also something that user of add/ahhd medication experiment very often. Just look at add discutions board / blog / etc : they end up describing having the hard choice between being a potent someone else or being themselves and an idiot. Aside from concentration issue those drug affect the personality of the user which is an effect they don't want.

Many user of SX found that it share some effect of those medication, you could be self medicating without knowing it...

I don't have ADD and don't need to self-medicate...

[Stomp]

Originally Posted by DR_P

What I found interesting is that you are 42y old, and I am also not too much younger.
Maybe, the "aging" brain is more prone be negatively influenced by this product and to indicate potentially anti-cholinerig or neurotoxic effects than in young people who are in their 20ies.

I was starting to wonder this exact same thing...

[Mr_Crusher]

Originally Posted by Stomp

I was starting to wonder this exact same thing...

Well it's not the age brain.I took maybe 7-8 pills of this "natural" fat burner.I guess what i have come to know.When you are ON it it keeps your brain and CNS constantly active and guess what is the fuel they use --> carbs yes they use glucose.So if you have taken slim xtreme and you are low carbing you will quickly burn the glucose you have in your system and start feeling stupid and can't remember things.When you eat carbs it comes back.At least that is my explanation.

[DR_P]

Originally Posted by Mr_Crusher

Well it's not the age brain.I took maybe 7-8 pills of this "natural" fat burner.I guess what i have come to know.When you are ON it it keeps your brain and CNS constantly active and guess what is the fuel they use --> carbs yes they use glucose.So if you have taken slim xtreme and you are low carbing you will quickly burn the glucose you have in your system and start feeling stupid and can't remember things.When you eat carbs it comes back.At least that is my explanation.

this is correct what you say, but I experienced the worst problems after I stopped taking this product, so it must be more to it...

[Stomp]

Originally Posted by Mr_Crusher

Well it's not the age brain.I took maybe 7-8 pills of this "natural" fat burner.I guess what i have come to know.When you are ON it it keeps your brain and CNS constantly active and guess what is the fuel they use --> carbs yes they use glucose.So if you have taken slim xtreme and you are low carbing you will quickly burn the glucose you have in your system and start feeling stupid and can't remember things.When you eat carbs it comes back.At least that is my explanation.

I have experienced the "low carb stupidity" when dieting. But like I said in my first response I wasn`t dieting and not low carbing when I took SX, I was using it as an energy booster.

Pho3NiX had basically a good theory but I only took SX 5-6 times on different occasions and I wouldn`t call that self medicating (if medicating means taking a drug for extended periods of time).

[Mr_Crusher]

I stopped it after few pills because started to lose muscle mass at a fast pace just if i didn't have carbs in me i burned muscle so not fair.And what problems do you have after stopping it ?Your memory is affected ? And if I ate fat and more calories nothing happens i still lose muscle.Makes you think what your CNS and brain are going through when you need all that glucose ...

[White_Widow]

im going to keep on using slim xtreme after using it for like 3 months i never had any side effects from it and i have a buddy thats been taking it longer and never had any side effects...i think this is all in ur head guys anyways. i trust anabolic xtreme, if u don't than simply stop taking it and wait for there announcement

[Blackjackcat]

Originally Posted by White_Widow

im going to keep on using slim xtreme after using it for like 3 months i never had any side effects from it and i have a buddy thats been taking it longer and never had any side effects...i think this is all in ur head guys anyways. i trust anabolic xtreme, if u don't than simply stop taking it and wait for there announcement

Must be all right if you say so, don't mind what they really found in it. You sure this isn't FintNFirm?

[White_Widow]

Originally Posted by Blackjackcat

Must be all right if you say so, don't mind what they really found in it. You sure this isn't FintNFirm?

not sure but he told me to prepare for all the negging. this is just my opinion i decide to keep taking it because i see nothing harmful about it. If u think its harmful simply don't take it.

[White_Widow]

Originally Posted by Blackjackcat

Must be all right if you say so, don't mind what they really found in it. You sure this isn't FintNFirm?

where can i see legit proof what they found in it?

[DR_P]

Originally Posted by White_Widow

not sure but he told me to prepare for all the negging. this is just my opinion i decide to keep taking it because i see nothing harmful about it. If u think its harmful simply don't take it.

as long as you are aware that something may potentially be wrong with it and that the company was so concerned about it that it immediately stopped production, you are certainly entitled to decide for yourself whether you want or don't want to accept an undefined amount of risk that may be associated with the intake of this product.

just make sure to not recommend it to others without giving them the links to threads discussing potential issues.

[fitnfirm]

Originally Posted by Blackjackcat

Must be all right if you say so, don't mind what they really found in it. You sure this isn't FintNFirm?

jump to conclusions much

[Beejis60]

Originally Posted by White_Widow

im going to keep on using slim xtreme after using it for like 3 months i never had any side effects from it and i have a buddy thats been taking it longer and never had any side effects...i think this is all in ur head guys anyways. i trust anabolic xtreme, if u don't than simply stop taking it and wait for there announcement

You are now down to 52.

Originally Posted by White_Widow

where can i see legit proof what they found in it?

look in the "lets discuss designer stimulants" thread. All the info is there.

[DR_P]

Originally Posted by White_Widow

where can i see legit proof what they found in it?

the biggest proof comes from the company itself: instead to make an official clear-cut dementi with regards to the accusations, the official statement of the company that was published at their website reads like that (paraphrased): "****, we are starting to test our product right now, because we are not sure what is going on and as long as we are clueless, we will stop production. Oh, and btw, we plan to change the formula".

If an educated consumer ever needed any kind of proof, there is it.

[ihas8pak]

im sticking with gaspari nutrition since its for the educated athletes.

[johnt12]

Judging by the week long withdrawal and the amount of anxiety I had (and no it def was not in my head from reading these threads) something tells me that whatever was in it wasn't exactly the safest substance. However, I had a blood test, blood pressure done, and a cat scan and nothing showed up so I am finally relieved. Whether or not the tests come back positive or negative for an illegal ingredient, you have to be a complete idiot to keep taking this supp without knowing whats in it, but hey it's your body.

[EMISGOD]

Originally Posted by White_Widow

im going to keep on using slim xtreme after using it for like 3 months i never had any side effects from it and i have a buddy thats been taking it longer and never had any side effects...i think this is all in ur head guys anyways. i trust anabolic xtreme, if u don't than simply stop taking it and wait for there announcement

I wonder if addiction could be considered a side effect...

[Blackjackcat]

Originally Posted by White_Widow

not sure but he told me to prepare for all the negging. this is just my opinion i decide to keep taking it because i see nothing harmful about it. If u think its harmful simply don't take it.

I never negged you, if you want to chance it and take SX, I don't give a ****.

Originally Posted by White_Widow

where can i see legit proof what they found in it?

I thing beejis60 and Dr. P sent you in the right direction to find it.

Originally Posted by fitnfirm

jump to conclusions much

Your usual comeback.

[justind2384]

Felt like i could chime in with my 2 cents on expierience...

Been off for two weeks now.

First side effects consisted of severe dry mouth,and bad headaches. Side effects almost went away completely after i started drinking one plus gallons of water each day... which i should do anyway. Far loss was great, energy was great, focus at work was amzing. I had a heightened sense of awareness and could get my adrenaline pump on easily just listening to fast paced music.

negatives. GO GO GO GO GO GO and almost no sleep. (kinda cool) it felt like college
Eat relatively whatever and still lost fat!

Been off for two weeks now and have a major decrease in energy... i have to really think about how much i eat b/c i have no control in general.

I think the product is great!!! however i am a little concerned if there is any long term side effects!!!

[buffb2]

I have been taking this since the start. 5 on 2 off. 2-3 weeks off in between bottles. I have had 3 panel 10 random drug tests while on these pills and have passed all 3. Lets face it i mean to work like it does i knew it was something (IMO better than adipex) but have to watch it very strong stuff. Always keep an eye on BP and its in the normal average for me. Interested to see how this plays out.

[EMISGOD]

Originally Posted by buffb2

I have been taking this since the start. 5 on 2 off. 2-3 weeks off in between bottles. I have had 3 panel 10 random drug tests while on these pills and have passed all 3. Lets face it i mean to work like it does i knew it was something (IMO better than adipex) but have to watch it very strong stuff. Always keep an eye on BP and its in the normal average for me. Interested to see how this plays out.

This is similar to how THG repeatedly passed screens...

[Beejis60]

Originally Posted by EMISGOD

This is similar to how THG repeatedly passed screens...

I would agree. THG was a very smart steroid with a good amount of thought behind it.
However, I can't believe that anyone at AX actually did research about drug tests.

[EMISGOD]

Originally Posted by Beejis60

I would agree. THG was a very smart steroid with a good amount of thought behind it.
However, I can't believe that anyone at AX actually did research about drug tests.

Nor would I, just more to the point that current tests are not set up to screen for whatever is ultimately in SX...

[ihas8pak]

now u guys are talking about steroids this really freaks me out...... I been using SX for 3 weeks now(my choice kthx) and i haven't worked out for 2 weeks and ate crap. Today i flexed my abs and 2 upper are showing and im more vascular im guessing from the lower bf%?