6 Meals a Day Causing Type 2 diabetes?

JuicyAnimal · 10-01-2009, 04:53 PM

This is from Master Your Metabolism by Jillian Michaels

"On the other hand, the popular concept of six small meals throughout the day is also less than ideal. You don't need your insulin surging on a constant basis by eating nonstop. Body builders developed this style of eating to squeeze thousands of calories into their day. ( How it became a weight-loss trend is beyond me.) Many of them developed type 2 diabetes later in life. Coincidence? I think not. Eating every four hours is a perfect formula for hormone balance - it keeps insulin stable, but doesn't spike hunger hormones, either."

What does everyone think about this. Thanks

supy · 10-01-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JuicyAnimal

This is from Master Your Metabolism by Jillian Michaels

"On the other hand, the popular concept of six small meals throughout the day is also less than ideal. You don't need your insulin surging on a constant basis by eating nonstop. Body builders developed this style of eating to squeeze thousands of calories into their day. ( How it became a weight-loss trend is beyond me.) Many of them developed type 2 diabetes later in life. Coincidence? I think not. Eating every four hours is a perfect formula for hormone balance - it keeps insulin stable, but doesn't spike hunger hormones, either."

What does everyone think about this. Thanks

NOT/.Lets here how many. Ive only heard of a VERY small number and i doubt they can prove it was from eating 6 meals a day.This ckicks is a MORON

JC480 · 10-01-2009, 05:24 PM

I don't really share the view this lady is a moron. Most of the stuff she writes has some solid basis in science.

However, even she recommends eating every 4? hours...as opposed to 3. Really...this is semantics.

She recommends multiple meals (as opposed to the big 3 traditional ones) to keep the metabolism fueled..which is the same as a typical bodybuilder diet. Instead of 6 she likes 4 or whatever. Who cares. Somedays I'll eat 4...some 6...I'll adjust the calories per meal...depends on when I get up, what I'm doing, etc.

As far as causing diabetes....it could...if your mini-meals consist of BAGELS or DONUTS or other junk carbs w/o protein every 3 hours. Feeding 6 times per day is dangerous if you consume garbage food constantly.

A bodybuilder diet has protein with carbohydrates which blunts insulin response. If what she said was true we would see a preponderance of diabetics among the older bodybuilders...and this just isn't the case.

I will say I do get a hunger response every 3-4 hours like most of us here...my stomach can set a clock lol : ) She is the first person I've read that suggested this frequent hunger response would lead to diabetes. When I see studies and documentation, I'll give it more consideration.

jim11 · 10-01-2009, 05:28 PM

Did she cite any studies to support that statement?

ironwill2008 · 10-01-2009, 05:37 PM

I stopped reading at "Jillian Michaels."

JuicyAnimal · 10-01-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jim11

Did she cite any studies to support that statement?

That's the thing. There is 23 pages of references at the end of the book. I looked through the list but did not see this. I could have easily missed it. I have never read a book like this with so many references. Sorry

Hi_Volume · 10-01-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JuicyAnimal

This is from Master Your Metabolism by Jillian Michaels

You don't need your insulin surging on a constant basis by eating nonstop. Body builders developed this style of eating to squeeze thousands of calories into their day.
Many of them developed type 2 diabetes later in life. Coincidence? I think not.

What does everyone think about this. Thanks

If you are eating high glycemic foods than maybe and that's stretching it.

Lady is a quack.......

XX400EX · 10-01-2009, 05:45 PM

If ea meal don't contain alot sugars or carbs its not going to hurt you. My am surgars are 80-90 nite sugars are 100-120. My tri monthly blood work comes back all ok too. So eat like a diabetic and you will be fine.

tonester · 10-01-2009, 06:07 PM

It's funny how the people I see sucking back high glycemic drinks before, during and after their workouts are fat and probably already on their way to being diabetic.

Oceanside · 10-01-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JuicyAnimal

This is from Master Your Metabolism by Jillian Michaels

"On the other hand, the popular concept of six small meals throughout the day is also less than ideal. You don't need your insulin surging on a constant basis by eating nonstop. Body builders developed this style of eating to squeeze thousands of calories into their day. ( How it became a weight-loss trend is beyond me.) Many of them developed type 2 diabetes later in life. Coincidence? I think not. Eating every four hours is a perfect formula for hormone balance - it keeps insulin stable, but doesn't spike hunger hormones, either."

What does everyone think about this. Thanks

she's probably got a valid point...

the whole process of bodybuilding when you look at the big picture really is'nt exactley always the healthiest ...

the human body was'nt made to be altered the way most "bodybuilders" try to....

the supplements that sidestep the FDA (etc)

the weight gain/loss factor (take it toll of liver and kidneys)

I won't even get into what untested federations bodybuilders do to compete...

still healthier than drinkin !

JuicyAnimal · 10-01-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanside

she's probably got a valid point...

the whole process of bodybuilding when you look at the big picture really is'nt exactley always the healthiest ...

the human body was'nt made to be altered the way most "bodybuilders" try to....

the supplements that sidestep the FDA (etc)

the weight gain/loss factor (take it toll of liver and kidneys)

I won't even get into what untested federations bodybuilders do to compete...

still healthier than drinkin !

Reps

tonester · 10-01-2009, 06:28 PM

Anything that is worth doing is worth taking risks for. One has to take stock of what they really, really want. When you play with your metabolism, you have to be willing to accept the risk of metabolic diseases down the road.

That's just the way life is.

Iron Barbarian · 10-01-2009, 07:02 PM

Sarcasm on - Thank god in the ever confusing world of bodybuilding we have a expert like Jillian Michaels to steer us in the right direction with her obvious extensive background in bodybuilding based on her the unbelievable superior physique. She must know what she is talking about. Got to love that all it took was to get her on TV and now she is a expert on everything fitness related. Stick with selling your treadmills honey and leave the bodybuilding to us

Like they say it is better to keep your mouth shut to not let people know you are stupid instead of opening your mouth and removing all doubt.....Sarcasm off

You tell me how eating a Low Carb diet of around 150 to 200 grams a day of Fresh Vegetables and Brown Rice is going to make me diabetic later in life. Based on the excerpt above it is too general of a statement considering there are so many variations to numerous diets that are out there. Think she needs to be a little better as far as her description of what the "diet" is comprised of instead of making simple generalizations. If it is the case then I guess they must be hiding all the Asian Diabetics from society who diet mainly consists of rice and vegetables.

GatorTom · 10-01-2009, 07:10 PM

sounds like HoScience to me.

Oceanside · 10-01-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Barbarian

Sarcasm on -
You tell me how eating a Low Carb diet of around 150 to 200 grams a day of Fresh Vegetables and Brown Rice is going to make me diabetic later in life.

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Body builders developed this style of eating to squeeze thousands of calories into their day.

pretty sure she was referencing weight gain as opposed to weight loss

IdahoViking · 10-01-2009, 07:23 PM

Wierd, I'm a type 2 diabetic and I'm encouraged to eat atleast 5 restricted carb meals a day.

According to this lady, the solution is the cause?

Oceanside · 10-01-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by IdahoViking

Wierd, I'm a type 2 diabetic and I'm encouraged to eat atleast 5 restricted carb meals a day.

According to this lady, the solution is the cause?

sorry to hear that !

Iron Barbarian · 10-01-2009, 07:37 PM

It is still dependent on your diet. I put down about 450 to 500 grams of protein a day on top of the carbs. Now if she means a dirty bulk then I can understand her statement because you are stuffing anything into your mouth to gain weight. Like I said though there are a lot of variations to all the different diets out there and I gain weight with my Low Carb/High Protein diet just fine. I change my macro's based on how my body feels. If I feel I need more energy then I bump the carbs up a little for a couple of days and then drop them back down, when I say a little I mean around 50 grams extra for a day or two. I don't stuff my face with everything in site and eat sensibly.

My mother and one brother is diabetic and my other brother is hypoglycemic. Also my grandfather on my mothers side was diabetic and I have never been diagnosed as being diabetic and you would think I am at a greater risk because of it being in the family so I must be eating right.

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Originally Posted by Oceanside

pretty sure she was referencing weight gain as opposed to weight loss

Vstar_man · 10-01-2009, 08:40 PM

From what I remembered when I was a little kid my mother had developed chronic hypoglycemia, which could turn into diabetes if not taken care of according to our family doctor. She had a special dietician given her a diet plan of consuming 6 small meals everyday, she continues that same diet today and is doing fantastic for a lady in her 70's. Also I have never heard of Lou Ferrigno, Arnold schwarzeneggar, Frank Zane, and more classic Bodybuilders having type II Diabetes. I think this Jullian chick, (though hot lookin) is missing a can out of her six pack. I think she should leave the nutritional researching to the intelligent people and just do her Richard Simmons workouts and leave us Real Athletes the Hell Alone!!

JOHN GARGANI · 10-01-2009, 08:46 PM

all good replies on here, but her statement is so bogus it doesn't even deserve our acknowledgement....

EBA84 · 10-01-2009, 09:13 PM

Bull**** unless someone is eating garbage every meal six times a day.

oldsuperman · 10-01-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hi_Volume

If you are eating high glycemic foods than maybe and that's stretching it.

Lady is a quack.......

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Originally Posted by EBA84

Bull**** unless someone is eating garbage every meal six times a day.

This lady is full of bullsh!t and a quack!

That makes her a BULLQUACKSH!TTER!

Iron Barbarian · 10-01-2009, 10:20 PM

LOL - I can honestly say I have never heard anyone called that before.

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Originally Posted by oldsuperman

This lady is full of bullsh!t and a quack!

That makes her a BULLQUACKSH!TTER!

paolo59 · 10-02-2009, 01:37 AM

Sounds like she's in full court mode to sell a book! There's always one or two, or three or four, that find their way to the market, regardless of merit or veracity.

JuicyAnimal · 10-02-2009, 06:19 AM

I googled "bodybuilders who have type 2 diabetes" to try to find more info on this subject but nothing good came up. This thread was actually in the search which I found interesting.

I also searched using various wordings but I can't find any unbiased information.

Anyone that comes across any science or other information about this subject please post a link.

Thanks

supy · 10-02-2009, 06:35 AM

The only guy that i remember having diabetes i believe was/is Don Long im not 100% sure it was him but i do remember 1 guy having this and he / article did not say it was related to BB eating 6 times a day.
As many have stated if you taking in insane amounts of ****ty carbs this is a possibility im sure for anyone even everday folks who dont train. Im pretty sure this is why there are so many fat little kids that go to school with my kids..Pretty sure its lack of exercise and too many fat ass happy meals that their PARENTS give them

JILLIAN= DUMB BITCH Not bad looking just a DUMB BITCH who is making up stories of bodybuilders and type II diabetes

Caracalla · 10-02-2009, 07:10 AM

My question is how she got from "eat every three hours and your risking diabetes later in life to eating every four hours is right" is that 60 minutes between meals the real killer. Its just the whole thing would sound more credible if she recommended 3 meals a day, at least that would be a big difference.. but from three to four in my opinion dosent make a difference. and i say that fully expecting diabetes next month.

Wildtim · 10-02-2009, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JuicyAnimal

That's the thing. There is 23 pages of references at the end of the book. I looked through the list but did not see this. I could have easily missed it. I have never read a book like this with so many references. Sorry

23 pages of references but no footnotes................ I used to do bibliographies like that till a prof handed my ass to me over it. Footnote, annotate and reference properly or its still just your opinion.

Minotaur · 10-02-2009, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JuicyAnimal

This is from Master Your Metabolism by Jillian Michaels

"On the other hand, the popular concept of six small meals throughout the day is also less than ideal. You don't need your insulin surging on a constant basis by eating nonstop.

This I agree with. But, and it's a big BUT!, I think it depends on what you eat. A high carb meal is going to cause a surge in insulin. After eating, blood sugar can hit 200+. A protein and fat meal, not so much blood sugar increase or insulin release. Blood sugar should drop to <140 by 2 hours after a meal if you are diabetic. Non-diabetics' blood sugar drops even faster.

How do I know? Personal experience. I monitor my blood sugar, being insulin resistant and on the watch for diabetes. I'm not diabetic now, nor ever have been, but I could be due to the insulin resistance (part of Metabolic Syndrome) and my family history.

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Body builders developed this style of eating to squeeze thousands of calories into their day. ( How it became a weight-loss trend is beyond me.)

OK so far. Insulin is anabolic, and it's assumed that bodybuilders and strength athletes are working hard to grow. Insulin is also a fat storage hormone. Too much insulin, not enough work, you don't lose weight you gain it.

There is a woman I work with who is morbidly obese. She is 52, one month older than me, and shuffles when she walks. She cannot pull herself in her chair to her desk, she has to hop in her chair. She's on the verge of becoming diabetic. And she eats all day long. I hear containers popping and snapping open and closed; I hear crunching and munching; I hear bowls (yes bowls) being scraped to get every bit of goodness; I hear things being sliced and diced.

She does walk as much as she can, especially in the afternoon, around the parking lot, or on a treadmill in the fitness room if the weather is nasty. So I give her credit for that. But it's the constant eating I take issue with. I think she's out-eating her exercise, having bought into the "eat 6, 7,8 times a day to lose weight". No, not for people like her.

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Many of them developed type 2 diabetes later in life. Coincidence? I think not. Eating every four hours is a perfect formula for hormone balance - it keeps insulin stable, but doesn't spike hunger hormones, either."

I call bull**** on this one because she's making a blanket statement. In fact, her whole position is a generalization. Not to mention never having heard of bodybuilders or athletes of any kind developing diabetes later in life. You develop diabetes for several reasons: being overweight, and/or having the genetic predisposition. I'd like to see these bodybuilders she's talking about.

DaddyR · 10-02-2009, 08:36 AM

Most of us know enough to know what she wrote is just plain garbage. By switching from a very dirty traditional 2-3 big meals a day typical American diet to a low carb bodybuilding diet eating 5-6 times spread evenly throughout my day, my glycated hemoglobin levels have dropped from a pretty bad and diabetic 10.5 down to a current value of around 5.2 (which is normal for a non-diabetic), as I lost over 45 lbs.