Joe FLacco

[CR123]

Originally Posted by LinusVanPelt

The jury is still out on Flacco.

And I'm sorry, but 2971-14/12-80.3 is not a good stat line (last year), and he's had one game this year so far.

He was a first round pick, and unless he turns out to be a great QB, he'll be a bust since he was picked so high.

Oh, and did you comment on this when he was drafted in this thread? Wait, you didn't.

Lets not forget he did those numbers as a rookie playing for a team with receivers who would be a 2nd or 3rd option on other teams.

[LinusVanPelt]

Originally Posted by CR123

Lets not forget he did those numbers as a rookie playing for a team with receivers who would be a 2nd or 3rd option on other teams.

Tom Brady threw for 3,500 yards and 24 TD's in 2006 without even having a guy who would be #3 receiver on teams.

[G-mane12]

Originally Posted by LinusVanPelt

Tom Brady threw for 3,500 yards and 24 TD's in 2006 without even having a guy who would be #3 receiver on teams.

well tom brady was a proven vet in 06'.... why are you comparing a rookie to tom brady lol?

[DrunkNinjaMastr]

Originally Posted by LinusVanPelt

Tom Brady threw for 3,500 yards and 24 TD's in 2006 without even having a guy who would be #3 receiver on teams.

Tom Brady started 5 season and already had 2 Superbowl rings. Joe Flacco was a rookie from ****ing Delaware. Retarded comparison.

[LinusVanPelt]

Originally Posted by G-mane12

well tom brady was a proven vet in 06'.... why are you comparing a rookie to tom brady lol?

Originally Posted by DrunkNinjaMastr

Tom Brady started 5 season and already had 2 Superbowl rings. Joe Flacco was a rookie from ****ing Delaware. Retarded comparison.

Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round.
Joe Flacco was drafted in the 1st round.

[E-Go]

Originally Posted by LinusVanPelt

Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round.
Joe Flacco was drafted in the 1st round.

Who cares where he was drafted? Brady was the right fit for the team and a lucky find. They weren't thinking he would win 3 SBs when they drafted him, they drafted him to be a backup/project.

Joe Flacco's numbers are more acurately compared to Big Ben. Both let their defenses and running games to the work and make plays when they have to. Brady is a passer, never really had a great running game. Brady = Manning Footsteps Flacco = Big Ben

[LinusVanPelt]

Originally Posted by E-Go

Who cares where he was drafted? Brady was the right fit for the team and a lucky find. They weren't thinking he would win 3 SBs when they drafted him, they drafted him to be a backup/project.

Joe Flacco's numbers are more acurately compared to Big Ben. Both let their defenses and running games to the work and make plays when they have to. Brady is a passer, never really had a great running game. Brady = Manning Footsteps Flacco = Big Ben

Where he was drafted has everything to do with this thread.

Canuck bumped this yesterday because I said Flacco would be a bust in the NFL. He has done nothing as of yet, as the jury is still out.

If Brady (a 6th rounder) was in Flacco's situation, it would be different. But Flacco is a 1st rounder, and therefore has to perform like a 1st rounder in order for him to not be a bust. And to date, he has not performed like a first rounder (though he has a few years to prove it).

[bustermac]

Originally Posted by ironmikex

What do you guys think about him? I'm a huge die hard Ravens fan but i've never heard of the guy.

Now what are your thoughts?

[ty247]

Originally Posted by LinusVanPelt

Where he was drafted has everything to do with this thread.

Canuck bumped this yesterday because I said Flacco would be a bust in the NFL. He has done nothing as of yet, as the jury is still out.

If Brady (a 6th rounder) was in Flacco's situation, it would be different. But Flacco is a 1st rounder, and therefore has to perform like a 1st rounder in order for him to not be a bust. And to date, he has not performed like a first rounder (though he has a few years to prove it).

Rookie starting QB..

He's the only rookie QB to lead his team to two playoff wins in his rookie year.

He put up respectable stats for a rookie with a terrible set of receivers who were more often than not injured.

His first game in his second season he starts off the year by throwing for 307 yards and 3 TD's..

I'd say he's well on his way to being a respectable pick and not a bust.

And he was picked 18th, he wasn't even a top 10 pick..

[LinusVanPelt]

Originally Posted by ty247

Rookie starting QB..

He's the only rookie QB to lead his team to two playoff wins in his rookie year.

He put up respectable stats for a rookie with a terrible set of receivers who were more often than not injured.

His first game in his second season he starts off the year by throwing for 307 yards and 3 TD's..

I'd say he's well on his way to being a respectable pick and not a bust.

And he was picked 18th, he wasn't even a top 10 pick..

1) He didn't "lead" anything. He had an awful completion percentage of 44% in the playoffs to go with a QB rating of 50.8 which is beyond terrible.

2) Respectable stats? I'd call them okay at best.

3) He's played one game this year against what many people consider the worst team in the league.

As I said, the jury is still out.

[MVP]

He's only as good as his WR's

I'd like to see Clayton really step it up and help out Mason. Open up their running game. I would like to see a healthy McGahee

[E-Go]

Originally Posted by LinusVanPelt

1) He didn't "lead" anything. He had an awful completion percentage of 44% in the playoffs to go with a QB rating of 50.8 which is beyond terrible.

2) Respectable stats? I'd call them okay at best.

3) He's played one game this year against what many people consider the worst team in the league.

As I said, the jury is still out.

Originally Posted by LinusVanPelt

Where he was drafted has everything to do with this thread.

Canuck bumped this yesterday because I said Flacco would be a bust in the NFL. He has done nothing as of yet, as the jury is still out.

If Brady (a 6th rounder) was in Flacco's situation, it would be different. But Flacco is a 1st rounder, and therefore has to perform like a 1st rounder in order for him to not be a bust. And to date, he has not performed like a first rounder (though he has a few years to prove it).

He made plays when he had to all of last season. Your looking at stats and not watching the games. If you take his 3 games against Pitt out of it, his stats are good. He is not a bust and the jury is not still out. He is a very productive player. The only difference between him and Big Ben is that Ben has 2 rings. Would you call Ben a bust? First round busts are Tim Couch, Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf. None of them did anything in their entire career and I doubt have a single playoff W under their belt. Brady came into the league into a system already in place and sat and learned under Bledsoe/Weis/Belichik. Flacco came into the league and was supposed to sit but got forced into action by injury and illness. He was in a new system being installed by Cameron and Harbaugh and still put up good numbers. Flacco will never outpass Brees, Manning or Brady. But, in this system, he doesn't have to. All he has to do is make a few plays throughout the game as he does and they'll be fine with a great defense and a great running game. Stop with the Brady comparisions because of the draft. That has nothing to do with Flacco being a bust or not.

[LinusVanPelt]

Originally Posted by E-Go

He made plays when he had to all of last season. Your looking at stats and not watching the games. If you take his 3 games against Pitt out of it, his stats are good. He is not a bust and the jury is not still out. He is a very productive player. The only difference between him and Big Ben is that Ben has 2 rings. Would you call Ben a bust? First round busts are Tim Couch, Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf. None of them did anything in their entire career and I doubt have a single playoff W under their belt. Brady came into the league into a system already in place and sat and learned under Bledsoe/Weis/Belichik. Flacco came into the league and was supposed to sit but got forced into action by injury and illness. He was in a new system being installed by Cameron and Harbaugh and still put up good numbers. Flacco will never outpass Brees, Manning or Brady. But, in this system, he doesn't have to. All he has to do is make a few plays throughout the game as he does and they'll be fine with a great defense and a great running game. Stop with the Brady comparisions because of the draft. That has nothing to do with Flacco being a bust or not.

Instead of responding with copouts (he made plays when he had ton, you're (or your) looking at stats, don't count 3 of his games, etc.), simply say he hasn't proven himself yet to be a 1st round QB, because he hasn't.

Couch, Smith, and Leaf were in the league for more than one season and one game. They also didn't play with an elite defense like Flacco. Should we sit here and praise Trent Dilfer for being in the right place at the right time? Because I don't think that's the path you want to go down.

You sound bitter when Brady is brought up though. Brady was a 6th round pick, not a 1st rounder. It doesn't matter who coached him. And don't bring up Charlie Weis, Weis hasn't done anything without Bellichek.

You can't have an average year and ****ty playoffs, plus ONE game the next year and have a final decision on a player. If you do, then you're football clueless.

[E-Go]

Originally Posted by LinusVanPelt

Instead of responding with copouts (he made plays when he had ton, you're (or your) looking at stats, don't count 3 of his games, etc.), simply say he hasn't proven himself yet to be a 1st round QB, because he hasn't.

Couch, Smith, and Leaf were in the league for more than one season and one game. They also didn't play with an elite defense like Flacco. Should we sit here and praise Trent Dilfer for being in the right place at the right time? Because I don't think that's the path you want to go down.

You sound bitter when Brady is brought up though. Brady was a 6th round pick, not a 1st rounder. It doesn't matter who coached him. And don't bring up Charlie Weis, Weis hasn't done anything without Bellichek.

You can't have an average year and ****ty playoffs, plus ONE game the next year and have a final decision on a player. If you do, then you're football clueless.

I just don't agree with anything you are saying... so I just will let this be done. Your arguement is stupid, comparing him to one of the best QB's to ever play the game because he was drafted here or here. Whatever.

[qbanboy14]

haiiiiiiiii.!!

[dirtdickens]

Troy Smith should be the starter

-Buckeye fan

[RavenStorm]

Originally Posted by dirtdickens

Troy Smith should be the starter

-Buckeye fan

[ironmikex]

Originally Posted by bustermac

Now what are your thoughts?

ha ha lol he's awesome im glad we are doing so good so far. The game with the patriots should be a good game

[OrganizdChaos]

Originally Posted by LinusVanPelt

Instead of responding with copouts (he made plays when he had ton, you're (or your) looking at stats, don't count 3 of his games, etc.), simply say he hasn't proven himself yet to be a 1st round QB, because he hasn't.

Couch, Smith, and Leaf were in the league for more than one season and one game. They also didn't play with an elite defense like Flacco. Should we sit here and praise Trent Dilfer for being in the right place at the right time? Because I don't think that's the path you want to go down.

You sound bitter when Brady is brought up though. Brady was a 6th round pick, not a 1st rounder. It doesn't matter who coached him. And don't bring up Charlie Weis, Weis hasn't done anything without Bellichek.

You can't have an average year and ****ty playoffs, plus ONE game the next year and have a final decision on a player. If you do, then you're football clueless.

So according to this guy:

If you have a 6th round pick who throws for 3000 yards in a season and 20tds/10 ints

and

You have a 1st rounder who throws for 3000 yards with 20td's/10int's


then the 6th rounder is the better player because he out performed what a sxith round player should be able to do?


STRONG ARGUMENT.

[LinusVanPelt]

Originally Posted by OrganizdChaos

So according to this guy:

If you have a 6th round pick who throws for 3000 yards in a season and 20tds/10 ints

and

You have a 1st rounder who throws for 3000 yards with 20td's/10int's


then the 6th rounder is the better player because he out performed what a sxith round player should be able to do?


STRONG ARGUMENT.

Well that's in your words of course.

But the 6th rounder in this case is a better bargain. It's actually common sense.

[OrganizdChaos]

Originally Posted by LinusVanPelt

Well that's in your words of course.

But the 6th rounder in this case is a better bargain. It's actually common sense.

Ya being a bargain is better sense.

I'm just using your logic here.

[LinusVanPelt]

Originally Posted by OrganizdChaos

Ya being a bargain is better sense.

I'm just using your logic here.

Good, we agree then. That's all.