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Old 09-27-2009, 06:53 PM   #1
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Shoes and Squat Form

I'm having some difficulty keeping my heels on the floor during my heaviest squats. It's not terribly apparent in the mirror but I can feel the pressure transfer to the balls of my feet and my heels rise as I start to push the weight up.

I run for a few minutes as a warm up before every lifting session so I typically lift in a pair of running shoes. I'm getting the feeling that having a higher heel is throwing my form off and causing me to shift forward. I keep my feet slightly out, shoulder width apart, etc.

Is this normal, a mistake in form or is it time to go shoe shopping?
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I'm having some difficulty keeping my heels on the floor during my heaviest squats. It's not terribly apparent in the mirror but I can feel the pressure transfer to the balls of my feet and my heels rise as I start to push the weight up.

I run for a few minutes as a warm up before every lifting session so I typically lift in a pair of running shoes. I'm getting the feeling that having a higher heel is throwing my form off and causing me to shift forward. I keep my feet slightly out, shoulder width apart, etc.

Is this normal, a mistake in form or is it time to go shoe shopping?
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take 2 10 lb plates and place em both on the ground and put toes on it so it forces you to keep the weight on your heels.
also you might be doing too much weight
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take 2 10 lb plates and place em both on the ground and put toes on it so it forces you to keep the weight on your heels.
also you might be doing too much weight
Cool, I'll give the plates a shot. If that doesn't help, I'll look at lower the weight a bit.

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I'm having some difficulty keeping my heels on the floor during my heaviest squats. It's not terribly apparent in the mirror but I can feel the pressure transfer to the balls of my feet and my heels rise as I start to push the weight up.

I run for a few minutes as a warm up before every lifting session so I typically lift in a pair of running shoes. I'm getting the feeling that having a higher heel is throwing my form off and causing me to shift forward. I keep my feet slightly out, shoulder width apart, etc.

Is this normal, a mistake in form or is it time to go shoe shopping?
Get a pair of otomix shoes, they are not the most stylish but are very functional for training legs or calves
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Chuck Taylors...you want a flat, solid shoe with no extra bounce which can throw off your dynamic chain.

It is also a good idea to stretch your calves/hips before you squat if you run first as a warm-up.

Also keep in mind the lower you have the bar on your traps, the wider your stance should be, and vice versa.

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it helped me until i slowly got more and more balance, now i dont even think of pushing all the power through my heels
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Otomix and Chucks...

I've got an old pair of asics wrestling shoes in the back of my closet at home. Think those would work as a start?

I'm looking forward to trying the plates. Too bad I don't work legs again until thurs...
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chuck taylors are good, or just squat barefoot. you need a solid base that running shoes dont provide
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take 2 10 lb plates and place em both on the ground and put toes on it so it forces you to keep the weight on your heels.
also you might be doing too much weight
I could've sworn I read this somewhere that keeping plates below your heels are bad for your spine while squatting. Why not focus more on keeping the weight on your heels instead?.
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I could've sworn I read this somewhere that keeping plates below your heels are bad for your spine while squatting. Why not focus more on keeping the weight on your heels instead?.
Putting weights under your heels may help, but it does not cure the problem. You're better off working on getting the weight back into your heels. Rippetoe said to try just squatting but with your toes lifted up. This forces you to throw your weight back on your heels. It may be weird and difficult to balance at first but once u can get that down, when you go back to flat foot you should be good to go
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Hi I have terribly flat feet and even squatting with just a bar I fall on my bum! I have a long heavy block of wood that I balance my heels on. I feel much more stable and can squat like a normal person after this. The only issue is people at my gym hiding my block of wood. I have found it in the toilets ,behind the bar, in the bin etc etc.
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Otomix and Chucks...

I've got an old pair of asics wrestling shoes in the back of my closet at home. Think those would work as a start?

I'm looking forward to trying the plates. Too bad I don't work legs again until thurs...
wrestling shoes are just fine as well.

Pretty much they are just trying to get you to lose shoes with soles. I use asics wrestling shoes as well.
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I could've sworn I read this somewhere that keeping plates below your heels are bad for your spine while squatting. Why not focus more on keeping the weight on your heels instead?.
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Putting weights under your heels may help, but it does not cure the problem. You're better off working on getting the weight back into your heels. Rippetoe said to try just squatting but with your toes lifted up. This forces you to throw your weight back on your heels. It may be weird and difficult to balance at first but once u can get that down, when you go back to flat foot you should be good to go
that's all well adn good guys, but anselk suggested the OP put plates under his toes to keep the weight on his heels.
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I'm having some difficulty keeping my heels on the floor during my heaviest squats. It's not terribly apparent in the mirror but I can feel the pressure transfer to the balls of my feet and my heels rise as I start to push the weight up.

I run for a few minutes as a warm up before every lifting session so I typically lift in a pair of running shoes. I'm getting the feeling that having a higher heel is throwing my form off and causing me to shift forward. I keep my feet slightly out, shoulder width apart, etc.

Is this normal, a mistake in form or is it time to go shoe shopping?
1. Like others have said, running shoes are terrible for squatting. Find something with a flatter sole (chucks, wrestling shoes, indoor soccer shoes, five-fingers, etc).

2. Strengthen your core with weighted hypers or reverse hypers and weighted crunches. You may be experiencing forward lean because of a weak lower back.

3. Stretch your hamstrings.

4. Work on ankle mobility. Eric Cressey and Tony Gentilcore have some really good stuff on mobility.

5. Squat lighter and get to know what it feels like to be pushing through the center of your foot.
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it is virtually no sole. They will be as hard as whatever you're standing on.
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i have been putting plates on floor and putting my heels on them,

without it i cant reach parallel, it is impossible. but having my heels raised i can sit my ass on the ground...

whether this is no good for the long run or hinders progress then that sucks!
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i have been putting plates on floor and putting my heels on them,

without it i cant reach parallel, it is impossible. but having my heels raised i can sit my ass on the ground...

whether this is no good for the long run or hinders progress then that sucks!
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me and one of the guys i train with actually just take our shoes off during squats and deads, it helped us both alot.
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Taking off your shoes works too, I do this when I deadlift but I cant say it would be comfortable when squatting
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Look up when you squat. I find that If I just look straight ahead I'll come off my heels a bit.
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Look up when you squat. I find that If I just look straight ahead I'll come off my heels a bit.
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why not?
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why not?
its a great way to hurt your neck.

people claim that they only look up with their eyeballs and not their head, but that never happens.
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its a great way to hurt your neck.

people claim that they only look up with their eyeballs and not their head, but that never happens.
I dunno maybe it depends on where you place the bar.
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I dunno maybe it depends on where you place the bar.
you can look up all you want, but you should refrain from telling other people to look up.
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