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be VERY wary of "sacks allowed" stats. They are very very inaccurate because it requires the guy keeping score to understand the OLmen's assignments on any given play. If the RDE gets a sack, and he lines up across from the LT, it's assumed that the LT gave up the sack. The offense may simply have the play designed so that the LT tosses a single hit and requires a chip from a TE that went in motion or a RB in the backfield, and if the LT does his assignment but the TE/RB fail on their chip and the sack is given up, the LT gets tagged with a "sack allowed"
it's not an easy stat to judge even when you really know the offensive playbook and assignments pretty well. When you don't know the team's offensive scheme, it is really tough to accurately portray "sacks allowed"
also, if I block homeboy for 3 seconds and then the QB, who is running like hell away from the RDE, scrambles right into the LDE that I have engaged and blocked perfectly, guess what? I just "gave up a sack", even though I blocked my dude perfectly, and if the QB had stayed in his pocket without getting flushed by SOMEONE ELSE'S ****ty block, there wouldn't have been a sack.
also, michael vick drops back to pass, takes a step to his right, hops to his left, then tucks and runs and my dude reaches an arm out and trips him up. Was that a sack, or was it a tackle for loss? Ask 10 scorekeepers and I bet you get 5 that say "tackle" and 5 that say "sack".
very inaccurate statistical reporting, and DAMN do I ramble after downing one of these damn Monster drinks. WOW.
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Nope haven't forgotten that, neither have I forgotten how badly Arizona's defense dominated just about every team it played in the postseason. That was one game...Atlanta was ranked 4th in the NFL in sacks allowed last year and helped Turner run for 1700 yards.
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Damn nobody mentioned Joe Thomas?
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Not that this was addressed to me.
But the reason Clady's number there is so much more impressive, Denver had 38.8 pass attempts per game. In comparison, Tennessee only had 28.8 and Cleveland only 30.5.
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That is impressive, good tibits. I love Clady after watching him play live through college. I just got into an argument with a buddy on comparing Thomas to Clady. Actually that was after the Vikes game when Thomas stuffed Allen ha ha. He calls be biased but its the truth.
Clady #1 left tackle in the game
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Thomas shut down Jared Allen all game right?
I didn't watch the whole game, but every play that I saw Allen wasn't even getting close.
He was getting dominated and he led the league (or at least the NFC I'm sure) in sacks last year.
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Joe Thomas impressed the hell out of me. Made Jared Allen, of all people, his bitch.
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Michael Roos the best LT in the NFL? HAHAHA!
LT- Ryan Clady - Broncos / Joe Thomas - Browns
LG- Steve Hutchinson - Vikings
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Clady sure looked average against Cinci this past week, and Roos shut James Harrison down. I'd say your laughter is quite misplaced
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Davin Joseph(best RG in the NFL).
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Don't care for the Jets but Mangold is probably the top center.
Clady and Thomas are both great young left tackles, who've had relatively early success.
Don't think Roos isn't in discussion for top LT though..
2008 Left Tackle - Sacks Given Up
Ryan Clady gave up .5 sacks (#1)
Michael Roos gave up 1 sack (#2)
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Roos blocked for a running team. Clady blocked for a mess of a team in Denver. Joe Thomas blocked for the Brady Quinn/Derek Anderson horror show in Cleveland.
Roos is good, but he IS NOT in the discussion for the top LT
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Clady sure looked average against Cinci this past week, and Roos shut James Harrison down. I'd say your laughter is quite misplaced
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It's pretty easy to shut someone down when they aren't as good as advertised.
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Can't say I'm too familiar with many guys on Tampa's o-line other than Faine.
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Um no, Joe Thomas STARTED last year as left tackle for the Pro Bowl.
Best left tackle in the AFC.
Sorry, but true.
and don't act like the fans voted a Browns player in.....
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Thomas shut down Jared Allen all game right?
I didn't watch the whole game, but every play that I saw Allen wasn't even getting close.
He was getting dominated and he led the league (or at least the NFC I'm sure) in sacks last year.
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Yeah Thomas did dominate 60/60 minutes.
Sorry to those who mentioned JT, didn't read second page.
If the Browns could ever fix the RIGHT side of the line we would be in top 5, because the left side is SHUT DOWN with Steinbach and Thomas......and oh yeah we just drafted a stud to be 300lber name Alex Mack.
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Not that this was addressed to me.
But the reason Clady's number there is so much more impressive, Denver had 38.8 pass attempts per game. In comparison, Tennessee only had 28.8 and Cleveland only 30.5.
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Yeah, but how was Denver's running game?
That Titan's oline helped get their backs over 2k yards rushing last season. Add that to the stellar pass protection.
I mean the Titans are playing in the AFC south against such DEs as Mario Williams, Dwight Freeny, Robert Mathis. And they played teams with other good pass rushers too.
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Yeah Thomas did dominate 60/60 minutes.
Sorry to those who mentioned JT, didn't read second page.
If the Browns could ever fix the RIGHT side of the line we would be in top 5, because the left side is SHUT DOWN with Steinbach and Thomas......and oh yeah we just drafted a stud to be 300lber name Alex Mack.
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lol yeah alex mack is a stud i played against him in HS. is he getting converted to OG or is he gonna stay at C?
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He started at Center last week. I was worried because he was going against Kevin and Pat Williams from minny.......some of our best runs were right up the gut......Mack exceeded expectations............loving it considering EVERY SINGLE "EXPERT" had us taking Michael "Diva" Crabtree....
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Roos blocked for a running team. Clady blocked for a mess of a team in Denver. Joe Thomas blocked for the Brady Quinn/Derek Anderson horror show in Cleveland.
Roos is good, but he IS NOT in the discussion for the top LT
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you have yet to make a statement as to why. Roos blocked for a running team.
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ok, and?
Denver's team wasn't a mess last season. it's defense damn sure was, but that has nothing to do with the offense. I personally hate the Titans, but Roos is most definitely in the discussion, whether you choose to admit it or not
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"advertised"? So James Harrison isn't as good as some advertisement? when was the last time an OLB broke 15 sacks and 100 tackles?
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you have yet to make a statement as to why. Roos blocked for a running team.
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ok, and?
Denver's team wasn't a mess last season. it's defense damn sure was, but that has nothing to do with the offense. I personally hate the Titans, but Roos is most definitely in the discussion, whether you choose to admit it or not
"advertised"? So James Harrison isn't as good as some advertisement? when was the last time an OLB broke 15 sacks and 100 tackles?
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I was responding to the statement of Roos only giving up X amount of sacks. He was on a running team, and as you mentioned before, sacks aren't exactly a cut and dry stat. Its not a matter of admitting he is in the discussion, because he isn't. He is somewhere around 5th best, I can accept someone saying that. But the gap between 1 and 5 is bigger than just a few blocks a game.
Denver was a complete mess. They went through something like 145 running backs last season. If not for Oakland and KC, they wouldn't have been anything. And Jay Cutler wouldn't have been put on the pedestal that he was placed upon after last season (meaning the man isn't a top QB). Clady not giving up sacks last year is that much more impressive considering the backs that they kept throwing into the offense.
If Harrison was as good as people think he is, he wouldn't have been shut down by Roos.
Obviously my opinion is going to stand regardless of what is said here, but I'll keep my eye on Roos a little closer the next time I catch a Titans game. Between the Steelers game this year and last, the playoff game vs Baltimore, and the two Indy games last year, Roos did not impress me. He didn't look bad, but he didn't really stand out to me.
not to change subject... but how you feel about Polamalu and the Madden Curse? ha
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Its not a matter of admitting he is in the discussion, because he isn't.
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why? Because you say so? Aside from nothing, your opinion means, exactly, what?
Denver was a complete mess. They went through something like 145 running backs last season. If not for Oakland and KC, they wouldn't have been anything. And Jay Cutler wouldn't have been put on the pedestal that he was placed upon after last season (meaning the man isn't a top QB). Clady not giving up sacks last year is that much more impressive considering the backs that they kept throwing into the offense.
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If Harrison was as good as people think he is, he wouldn't have been shut down by Roos.
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If Mario Williams was so good, he wouldn't have been shut down by Roos both games last season
If Robert Mathis was so good, he wouldn't have been shut down by Roos in every game the last 3 seasons
If Jared Allen was so good, he wouldn't have been shut down by Roos last season
amirite???
but wait, why stop the sheer idiocy right there, there's more!
If Joe Montana was as good as people think he is, he wouldn't have been shut down by NYG in 1986.
If Peyton Manning was as good as people think he is, he wouldn't have been shut down by New England in 2003.
If Barry Sanders was as good as people think he is, he wouldn't have been shut down by Green Bay in 1994
Oh, here's a good one!!!
If Lawrence Taylor was as good as people think he is, he wouldn't have been shut down by Chicago, San Fran, Washington (twice!!!), New Orleans, and the Jets in 1987!
Congratulations. You have transcended the standard idiocy of clueless sports "fans". You have entered a truly sublime realm of mindlessness usually reserved for those with down's syndrome, autism, or severe skull and spinal trauma.
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Obviously my opinion is going to stand regardless of what is said here, but I'll keep my eye on Roos a little closer the next time I catch a Titans game. Between the Steelers game this year and last, the playoff game vs Baltimore, and the two Indy games last year, Roos did not impress me. He didn't look bad, but he didn't really stand out to me.
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so...you're making absolute statements after watching him in 5 games total? wow. Ok then! Genius at it's finest!
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well, at least I know you're much more than just a standard dope.
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why? Because you say so? Aside from nothing, your opinion means, exactly, what?
Denver was a complete mess. They went through something like 145 running backs last season. If not for Oakland and KC, they wouldn't have been anything. And Jay Cutler wouldn't have been put on the pedestal that he was placed upon after last season (meaning the man isn't a top QB). Clady not giving up sacks last year is that much more impressive considering the backs that they kept throwing into the offense.
If Mario Williams was so good, he wouldn't have been shut down by Roos both games last season
If Robert Mathis was so good, he wouldn't have been shut down by Roos in every game the last 3 seasons
If Jared Allen was so good, he wouldn't have been shut down by Roos last season
amirite???
but wait, why stop the sheer idiocy right there, there's more!
If Joe Montana was as good as people think he is, he wouldn't have been shut down by NYG in 1986.
If Peyton Manning was as good as people think he is, he wouldn't have been shut down by New England in 2003.
If Barry Sanders was as good as people think he is, he wouldn't have been shut down by Green Bay in 1994
Oh, here's a good one!!!
If Lawrence Taylor was as good as people think he is, he wouldn't have been shut down by Chicago, San Fran, Washington (twice!!!), New Orleans, and the Jets in 1987!
Congratulations. You have transcended the standard idiocy of clueless sports "fans". You have entered a truly sublime realm of mindlessness usually reserved for those with down's syndrome, autism, or severe skull and spinal trauma.
well done lad, well done indeed!
so...you're making absolute statements after watching him in 5 games total? wow. Ok then! Genius at it's finest!
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i see no reason for the sarcastic attacks what-so-ever. but I wouldn't expect anything less from a squeeler fan.
annnd... Robert Mathis IS NOT a good end. And Jared Allen is questionable.
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i see no reason for the sarcastic attacks what-so-ever. but I wouldn't expect anything less from a squeeler fan.
annnd... Robert Mathis IS NOT a good end. And Jared Allen is questionable.
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wat?
Mathis- Sacks by year
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wat?
Mathis- Sacks by year
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good DE's can play the run. Mathis gets lucky because Peyton puts up points so teams have to pass and play catch up.
and Allen is lucky to play next the Williams wall
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Robert Mathis IS NOT a good end. And Jared Allen is questionable.
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Allen-
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good DE's can play the run. Mathis gets lucky because Peyton puts up points so teams have to pass and play catch up.
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no, that's true, you bring up a really really good point.
I'm still wondering why the heck Kansas City would trade Jared Allen AND Kevin Williams AND Pat Williams to Minnesota in the same year? I mean, that makes NO sense whatsoever.
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I'm still wondering why the heck Kansas City would trade Jared Allen AND Kevin Williams AND Pat Williams to Minnesota in the same year? I mean, that makes NO sense whatsoever
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WTF?
Pat Williams has been on Minnesota for the longest, and I'm pretty sure they drafted Kevin Williams.
Also for the guy saying Allen sucks and needs the "Williams Wall" he put up 15.5 sacks his last year in Kansas so SMH.
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Keth, u drunk brah?
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09-19-2009, 08:38 PM
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For a guy who always comes with the most weird obscure stats, that's the dumbest post I've ever read from him.
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