When's the best time to eat donuts during a bulk? (srs)

[AndrewChan]

I wanna eat some donuts, should I have it with my post workout shake?

Or should I eat it with my pre-workout shake?

Or does it not matter as long as I meet my protein requirements/EFA's for the day?

Will rep for answers...

[DominicN]

If you are a fan of broscience, eat it post workout with your shake.

If you ain't, eat it before bed


Honestly, you are bulking, it won't hurt you one bit and it won't matter whatsoever.

[YoungEx20]

They're empty calories, so they would pretty much be a cheat to any diet. If you want to burn off the energy from them the logical choice would be pre-workout. The "bro-science" approach would be that if you're trying to bulk to eat them post-workout to spike your insulin, but again that's just bro-science.

[AndrewChan]

Originally Posted by YoungEx20

They're empty calories, so they would pretty much be a cheat to any diet. If you want to burn off the energy from them the logical choice would be pre-workout. The "bro-science" approach would be that if you're trying to bulk to eat them post-workout to spike your insulin, but again that's just bro-science.

i dont think they're completely empty calories... i was thinking about having 2 scoops protein with some donuts pre-workout to lower the GI of the meal as a whole. this would give me enough energy for a 1 hr workout.

afterwards i'd have a post workout shake (2 scoops, some honey, 1 cup oats).

[Dr. Horse]

Originally Posted by YoungEx20

They're empty calories

No such thing as empty calories when you're trying to gain weight.

[tovlakas]

Originally Posted by Dr. Horse

No such thing as empty calories when you're trying to gain weight.

wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

unless by weight you mean, fat.

[sperryrocks]

Originally Posted by tovlakas

wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

unless by weight you mean, fat.

What the hell? Explain yourself. I believe you misinterpreted Dr. Horse, he was saying, more or less, calorie consumption is calorie consumption. If you are looking to get into a debate over "clean" and "dirty" please dont, my eyes hurt from looking at those debates.

[ilove2run]

Originally Posted by tovlakas

wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

unless by weight you mean, fat.

i cant believe you just said Dr. Horse was wrong....

[AndrewChan]

so i guess this means the donuts don't matter as long as i meet my protein requirements of 1 gram protein / 1 lbm and i get enough EFA's

i plan to eat donuts on my high carb days (saturday and sunday)

[bodydropcris]

when i was bulking i would eat them in the morning if i was on my way by my favorite donut place for work..

[Bnizzle163]

If you want to fit them into your macros and don't really care about the health concerns of eating fried food, then go for it. If you are concerned, you could have them as a cheat or on a high carb day like you stated.

[The_Animal11]

Originally Posted by ilove2run

i cant believe you just said Dr. Horse was wrong....

hahaha x2! i dont think ive ever seen that in the nutrition section before


i gotta agree with dr. horse anyways lol, a calorie by definition has to give you 1 kilocal of energy. not very empty if you ask me.

[absolutexpinoy]

i'd eat 'em before.. but that's just me.
btw, lookin' good OP.














































































































































































but srsly though, i like your physique.

*edit: forgot to say no homo.

[tovlakas]

Oh well god forbid I disagree with the "Illustrious Dr. Horse" (whoever that is).

Calories in and out is not a set in stone rule that can be used to eat junk food all day and expect to gain healthy muscle just because you are hitting your caloric intake. And before you try to say that's not what was implied, yes, it was because the quote is "No such thing as empty calories when you're trying to gain weight".

I don't need to support this because this is a discussion that has been had ad nauseum with 100s if not thousands of supporting articles, and is supported view by most nutritionists and personal trainers.

I will leave you with a link to someone I actually DO recognize the name of, who seems to agree with me.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=177

[AndrewChan]

lol thank u, i know i've been getting alotta slack for that pic lol... never had it in mind to put it up online when i took it... but after it came out i was like, eh y not

[AndrewChan]

Originally Posted by tovlakas

Oh well god forbid I disagree with the "Illustrious Dr. Horse" (whoever that is).

Calories in and out is not a set in stone rule that can be used to eat junk food all day and expect to gain healthy muscle just because you are hitting your caloric intake. And before you try to say that's not what was implied, yes, it was because the quote is "No such thing as empty calories when you're trying to gain weight".

I don't need to support this because this is a discussion that has been had ad nauseum with 100s if not thousands of supporting articles, and is supported view by most nutritionists and personal trainers.

I will leave you with a link to someone I actually DO recognize the name of, who seems to agree with me.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=177

thank you for bringing up that point, i have read chris aceto's work and find him very educational. i think the point to take away from his post is to not take in too many "junk" calories. i dont plan on eating all fast food and junk on my bulk... before i use to bulk clean with just oatmeal, protein bars (those are arguable), tuna, etc...

im trying to experiement with a 50% clean, 50% dirty bulk (without getting into a whole argument of what counts as clean and what counts as dirty) basically to free up my diet more to allow SOME fast food, donuts, etc without gaining too much fat in the process

thank you all for ur comments... i will rep back on recharge

[The_Animal11]

Originally Posted by tovlakas

Oh well god forbid I disagree with the "Illustrious Dr. Horse" (whoever that is).

Calories in and out is not a set in stone rule that can be used to eat junk food all day and expect to gain healthy muscle just because you are hitting your caloric intake. And before you try to say that's not what was implied, yes, it was because the quote is "No such thing as empty calories when you're trying to gain weight".

I don't need to support this because this is a discussion that has been had ad nauseum with 100s if not thousands of supporting articles, and is supported view by most nutritionists and personal trainers.

I will leave you with a link to someone I actually DO recognize the name of, who seems to agree with me.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=177

hes not saying that some calories are empty. calories by definition cannot be empty, a calorie is a unit of energy and that means a calorie by definition has to be a carrier of energy.

now, if you are saying that you would choose not to eat donuts because they are not micronutrient rich, that is a completely different story, and completely justified. but a calorie just cant be empty because a calorie provides energy, which is useful.

[ilove2run]

Originally Posted by The_Animal11

hes not saying that some calories are empty. calories by definition cannot be empty, a calorie is a unit of energy and that means a calorie by definition has to be a carrier of energy.

now, if you are saying that you would choose not to eat donuts because they are not micronutrient rich, that is a completely different story, and completely justified. but a calorie just cant be empty because a calorie provides energy, which is useful.

x2 on this,

Its like a donut vs. nut butter. Same amount of calories (just saying if they were), but the PB has my micronutrients in them .

Oh, and just a little thing to post , you should read this guys log, it's coo lol

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=113288021

EDIT: And it's called the wave_length diet

[joemauro]

Originally Posted by The_Animal11

hes not saying that some calories are empty. calories by definition cannot be empty, a calorie is a unit of energy and that means a calorie by definition has to be a carrier of energy.

now, if you are saying that you would choose not to eat donuts because they are not micronutrient rich, that is a completely different story, and completely justified. but a calorie just cant be empty because a calorie provides energy, which is useful.

This is exactly it.

This Tovlakas moron has another thread about how 'unhealthy' muscle milk is because it contains 2g of sugar and what, 5g of fat? School starts and broscience returns?

[wave_length]

Originally Posted by AndrewChan

I wanna eat some donuts, should I have it with my post workout shake?

Or should I eat it with my pre-workout shake?

Or does it not matter as long as I meet my protein requirements/EFA's for the day?

Will rep for answers...

Lock me in for C.

Same thing on a cut BTW.

[IGF-WON]

call me crazy, but I would say you should eat a donut whenever you most want a donut

Originally Posted by tovlakas

wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

unless by weight you mean, fat.

can you explain how that would cause fat gain? or are you just repeating something you heard?

Originally Posted by ilove2run

i cant believe you just said Dr. Horse was wrong....

hahahaha it just makes it more interesting.

Originally Posted by tovlakas

I don't need to support this because this is a discussion that has been had ad nauseum with 100s if not thousands of supporting articles, and is supported view by most nutritionists and personal trainers.

ahhh i see, the most popular opinion is right. I should have known...

I find it crazy how so many people outside of this bb.com world and who generally dont know that much about nutrition manage to get strong and whatever look people seem to want... Oh wait, its because there are things more important that oats and peanut butter vs. donuts

[Yankee]

Originally Posted by AndrewChan

i dont think they're completely empty calories... i was thinking about having 2 scoops protein with some donuts pre-workout to lower the GI of the meal as a whole.

This made me laugh...caring about the "GI" and getting your EFAs...asking about donuts...all in the same post. I love it. IMO...dont worry about GI...worry about quality and quantity. If you want to eat a donut once in a while...enjoy! Just make sure everything else is solid. Is this something you're going to eat every day? Many others will tell you differently...but I dont think anyone should eat a donut EVERY day...even if you are lifting hard. $hit in..$hit out....


And AbsolutePinoy...I laughed HARD. OP you have a great physique...but SERIOUS MySpace pic ha ha...un-purse those lips boy!! ha ha

[Vietgoboi]

Originally Posted by Yankee

This made me laugh...caring about the "GI" and getting your EFAs...asking about donuts...all in the same post. I love it. IMO...dont worry about GI...worry about quality and quantity. If you want to eat a donut once in a while...enjoy! Just make sure everything else is solid. Is this something you're going to eat every day? Many others will tell you differently...but I dont think anyone should eat a donut EVERY day...even if you are lifting hard. $hit in..$hit out....


And AbsolutePinoy...I laughed HARD. OP you have a great physique...but SERIOUS MySpace pic ha ha...un-purse those lips boy!! ha ha

He can eat a donut everyday if he wants, yes we agree, but what his other meals consist of in long term health? That more important than singling 1 food source out of many?

[AndrewChan]

Originally Posted by ilove2run

x2 on this,

Its like a donut vs. nut butter. Same amount of calories (just saying if they were), but the PB has my micronutrients in them .

Oh, and just a little thing to post , you should read this guys log, it's coo lol

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=113288021

EDIT: And it's called the wave_length diet

Originally Posted by wave_length

Lock me in for C.

Same thing on a cut BTW.

yes i've been following wavelength's diet for some time now... also been following timberwolf's...which is where i brought up the point of EFA's and minimum protein requirements.

thank you guys

[Simmo0508]

Originally Posted by AndrewChan

I wanna eat some donuts, should I have it with my post workout shake?

Or should I eat it with my pre-workout shake?

Or does it not matter as long as I meet my protein requirements/EFA's for the day?

Will rep for answers...

Ideally, don't eat them at all. What are they gonna do for ya man? Nothin.

If you must though, eat it whenever. Because regardless, you're still eating it. Doesn't matter if you have it for breakfast, or for dinner, you're still eating a donut.

Originally Posted by tovlakas

Oh well god forbid I disagree with the "Illustrious Dr. Horse" (whoever that is).

Calories in and out is not a set in stone rule that can be used to eat junk food all day and expect to gain healthy muscle just because you are hitting your caloric intake. And before you try to say that's not what was implied, yes, it was because the quote is "No such thing as empty calories when you're trying to gain weight".

I don't need to support this because this is a discussion that has been had ad nauseum with 100s if not thousands of supporting articles, and is supported view by most nutritionists and personal trainers.

I will leave you with a link to someone I actually DO recognize the name of, who seems to agree with me.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=177

I agree, well said.

I've said that a million times on here too lol There's a difference between posting on a bodybuilding site, and posting on a general health and fitness board. Bodybuilding is more than just calories in calories out. Everyone knows that.

[tagun]

As long as you don't mind some trans fats in your diet (not saying all donuts have 'em but most of them do) I really don't see a problem with it... Donuts are "empty calories" only in the sense of nutritional value. 200 kcal of donuts will give you way less vitamins, minerals and fiber (+ it won't be very filling) than 200 kcal worth of spinach but it will still be THE SAME AMOUNT OF ENERGY.

Hell no, donuts aren't a staple if you're eating for overall health and trying to get as much nutrients with every calorie as you can. But I just can't see how 200 kcal of donuts will have any DIRECT adverse effect on your body composition and 200 kcal of broccoli or chicken breast any positive effect. Putting aside the macro-nutrient differences as chicken has loads of protein while donuts have almost none.

Jesus Christ, there isn't such a thing as DIRTY food, clean food, dirty eating or whatever... I don't know about you, but I "eat clean" everyday - that is I prepare my food with clean kitchenware and I usually eat it from a shining plate or a clean bowl. If my apple is dirty, I wash the dirt away before eating it. Dirty eating... Come on!

Edit: Oh and before people start attacking me for stating these blasphemous words: NO, I don't believe all that matters is CALORIES IN vs. CALORIES OUT. Definitely not. Just stating how energy from A equals energy from B and how misconceived terms like "empty calories", "dirty food", "clean eating" and so on are.

[Alyion]

christ, all this over some mutha****in donuts!

[bodydropcris]

you must have never eaten a dozen of the finest before... my favorite way to consume 2500 calories... or more if they are chocolate covered and cream filled...

[AndrewChan]

Originally Posted by tagun

As long as you don't mind some trans fats in your diet (not saying all donuts have 'em but most of them do) I really don't see a problem with it... Donuts are "empty calories" only in the sense of nutritional value. 200 kcal of donuts will give you way less vitamins, minerals and fiber (+ it won't be very filling) than 200 kcal worth of spinach but it will still be THE SAME AMOUNT OF ENERGY.

Hell no, donuts aren't a staple if you're eating for overall health and trying to get as much nutrients with every calorie as you can. But I just can't see how 200 kcal of donuts will have any DIRECT adverse effect on your body composition and 200 kcal of broccoli or chicken breast any positive effect. Putting aside the macro-nutrient differences as chicken has loads of protein while donuts have almost none.

Jesus Christ, there isn't such a thing as DIRTY food, clean food, dirty eating or whatever... I don't know about you, but I "eat clean" everyday - that is I prepare my food with clean kitchenware and I usually eat it from a shining plate or a clean bowl. If my apple is dirty, I wash the dirt away before eating it. Dirty eating... Come on!

Edit: Oh and before people start attacking me for stating these blasphemous words: NO, I don't believe all that matters is CALORIES IN vs. CALORIES OUT. Definitely not. Just stating how energy from A equals energy from B and how misconceived terms like "empty calories", "dirty food", "clean eating" and so on are.

but once the minimum protein requirements are met and you get enough vitamins and EFA's for the day, isn't the rest just CALORIES IN vs. CALORIES OUT?

im guessing i just want to get some feedback from people who have been successful with bulking on 50% nutrient rich foods and 50% junk food (as opposed to Clean Vs. Dirty) as opposed to those who have been solely bulking on 100% nutrient rich foods

[Nodice123]

this thread has reminded me why I don't read the nutrition section anymore...