Chris Aceto's Critique on Cardio - Page 20

frank69688 · 08-05-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Blitz n destroy

Not Chris, but BOLD

Hey, thanks a lot. Sorry my english not so fluent. Perhaps I don't understand sentences as a whole.

Blitz n destroy · 08-05-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by frank69688

Hey, thanks a lot. Sorry my english not so fluent. Perhaps I don't understand sentences as a whole.

No problem, always a pleasure to help out.

Does it make sense to you now?

frank69688 · 08-11-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Blitz n destroy

No problem, always a pleasure to help out.

Does it make sense to you now?

If you ask again I would say No.. I'm still confused can you translate into simplest?

kgarrow · 08-12-2009, 06:13 PM

Chris,

I am almost through my first bottle of kreoxi pump and just ordered another. So far I like it. I am 12 1/2 weeks out from the Musclemania Florida and plan to use it all the way to show time. I notice a definative energy increase 30 min after taking the product with no side effects (i.e. water retention, jitters). I will probably start the fat burner next week. For others that are interrested in the product, it seems to affect me like other creatine products in the sense it took a couple of days to really notice any benefit. I only use it pre-workout and don't take it on my day of from weight training.

Good stuff. Can't wait to take the fat burner.

ohmygosh · 08-13-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kgarrow

Chris,

I am almost through my first bottle of kreoxi pump and just ordered another. So far I like it. I am 12 1/2 weeks out from the Musclemania Florida and plan to use it all the way to show time. I notice a definative energy increase 30 min after taking the product with no side effects (i.e. water retention, jitters). I will probably start the fat burner next week. For others that are interrested in the product, it seems to affect me like other creatine products in the sense it took a couple of days to really notice any benefit. I only use it pre-workout and don't take it on my day of from weight training.

Good stuff. Can't wait to take the fat burner.

I finished a bottle too and it was good-good pumps.

ChrisAceto · 08-17-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ohmygosh

I finished a bottle too and it was good-good pumps.

Its our #1 selling product.

spirit3530 · 08-17-2009, 11:23 AM

Your PM box is full Chris.

ChrisAceto · 08-17-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kgarrow

Chris,

I am almost through my first bottle of kreoxi pump and just ordered another. So far I like it. I am 12 1/2 weeks out from the Musclemania Florida and plan to use it all the way to show time. I notice a definative energy increase 30 min after taking the product with no side effects (i.e. water retention, jitters). I will probably start the fat burner next week. For others that are interrested in the product, it seems to affect me like other creatine products in the sense it took a couple of days to really notice any benefit. I only use it pre-workout and don't take it on my day of from weight training.

Good stuff. Can't wait to take the fat burner.

Let me know what you think about Nordrenalean...
chris

ChrisAceto · 08-31-2009, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by spirit3530

Your PM box is full Chris.

fixed it

kgarrow · 09-08-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisAceto

Let me know what you think about Nordrenalean...
chris

Inside of 8 weeks now and I have been using the Nordrenalean for the last 2 and a half weeks. So far so good. I have been steadily dropping 2 pounds a week and I think I have actually gotten slightly ahead of pace the last week and a half. I like it and combined with 2 days of HIIT and 3 days of LICT getting great results.

ChrisAceto · 09-08-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kgarrow

Inside of 8 weeks now and I have been using the Nordrenalean for the last 2 and a half weeks. So far so good. I have been steadily dropping 2 pounds a week and I think I have actually gotten slightly ahead of pace the last week and a half. I like it and combined with 2 days of HIIT and 3 days of LICT getting great results.

What show are you doing??

ChrisAceto · 09-09-2009, 08:28 AM

This is Oscar Dexter Tua a few days before the Atlantic City at about 303 pounds

calimac69 · 09-11-2009, 07:20 PM

[QUOTE=ChrisAceto;382615061]This is Oscar Dexter Tua a few days before the Atlantic City at about 303 pounds

All I can say is WTF???? Daaamn!!!!!

calimac69 · 09-11-2009, 07:32 PM

Chris,

I've been reading a lot of stuff lately by Charles Poliquin and some stuff from a lot of strength and conditioning type web sites that really look down on doing a lot of cardio for fat loss. I know in this post you have mentioned that you feel the fat loss should come from diet mostly and training but where do you draw the line. I hear some natural guys still doing cardio twice a day 6 days a week, some do it 6 days 1x a day. How do you know what is best for each person?

Poliquin and others mention several routines such as the German Body Comp protocol where you train 3 times a week whole body work outs with 45-60 seconds rest between sets doing mostly compound movements plus maybe 1 day of HIIT cardio on the off day. A lot guys on these sites really criticize doing more then 1 or 2 days of HIIT a week for fat loss. But based on all the people who you read on these forums it seems like it would be quite difficult to burn enough fat just from training that way.

What is your opinion?

ChrisAceto · 09-14-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by calimac69

Chris,

I've been reading a lot of stuff lately by Charles Poliquin and some stuff from a lot of strength and conditioning type web sites that really look down on doing a lot of cardio for fat loss. I know in this post you have mentioned that you feel the fat loss should come from diet mostly and training but where do you draw the line. I hear some natural guys still doing cardio twice a day 6 days a week, some do it 6 days 1x a day. How do you know what is best for each person?

Poliquin and others mention several routines such as the German Body Comp protocol where you train 3 times a week whole body work outs with 45-60 seconds rest between sets doing mostly compound movements plus maybe 1 day of HIIT cardio on the off day. A lot guys on these sites really criticize doing more then 1 or 2 days of HIIT a week for fat loss. But based on all the people who you read on these forums it seems like it would be quite difficult to burn enough fat just from training that way.

What is your opinion?

If you have read my books Championship Bodybuilding or Everything You Need To Know About Fat Loss, you know I hate cardio. I think the BB community got way too giddy in using cardio as a tool to get lean. Your TRAINING can do that coupled with the right diet and supplementation plan. If you do to much cardio or if your body has a hard time recovering, cardio will only crush your recovery ability and flatten your testosterone levels.

kgarrow · 09-14-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisAceto

What show are you doing??

Musclemania Florida and my math was off. It is Nov 8th so now I am inside 8 weeks. I am now at 208.8 and planning to cut down inside 200 to make Light Heavy.

COZ999 · 09-14-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisAceto

If you have read my books Championship Bodybuilding or Everything You Need To Know About Fat Loss, you know I hate cardio. I think the BB community got way too giddy in using cardio as a tool to get lean. Your TRAINING can do that coupled with the right diet and supplementation plan. If you do to much cardio or if your body has a hard time recovering, cardio will only crush your recovery ability and flatten your testosterone levels.

Chris, how many natural guys do you prep for shows? Obviously a guy on certain **** can achieve a hard, ripped body with very little cardio. Also the use of diuretics can play a huge role in all of that. Jay cutler sheds over 10lbs in a few days before a big show. Doubt any natural guy can do that.

Sean15782 · 09-14-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by COZ999

Chris, how many natural guys do you prep for shows? Obviously a guy on certain **** can achieve a hard, ripped body with very little cardio. Also the use of diuretics can play a huge role in all of that. Jay cutler sheds over 10lbs in a few days before a big show. Doubt any natural guy can do that.

I think you're misreading him here. He's not saying to skip cardio completely, just to do the minimum amount possible(while still progressing) and manipulating your food intake as your primary means of fat-loss. A lot of guys are guilty of overdoing the cardio (I've seen as much as 1hr 2X per day @ 14 weeks out)

I would also put forth that you should think about the drug statement again. A guy on gear should/would usually be doing more cardio because muscle loss is less of an issue.

COZ999 · 09-14-2009, 09:01 PM

muscle loss altogether is a myth in and in itself. If you supplement and eat the right meals at the right time you shouldnt be losing muscle. Many guys I watch prep, actually get stronger once there bodies are acclimated to the shift in calories. Just because a muscle is physically smaller does not mean you have muscle loss. Think about how much, fat, water, and glycogen surrounds that muscle precontest. Now your dieting all of that away. So of course body parts are shrinking but not at the expense of muscle. People who train like pussies while contest prep are the same ones who complain about muscle loss. I was doing double HITT cardio sometimes on sub 1600 cals and still hitting PR's all through prep. And guess what I am neither superman or on juice.

Sean15782 · 09-14-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by COZ999

muscle loss altogether is a myth in and in itself. If you supplement and eat the right meals at the right time you shouldnt be losing muscle. Many guys I watch prep, actually get stronger once there bodies are acclimated to the shift in calories. Just because a muscle is physically smaller does not mean you have muscle loss. Think about how much, fat, water, and glycogen surrounds that muscle precontest. Now your dieting all of that away. So of course body parts are shrinking but not at the expense of muscle. People who train like pussies while contest prep are the same ones who complain about muscle loss. I was doing double HITT cardio sometimes on sub 1600 cals and still hitting PR's all through prep. And guess what I am neither superman or on juice.

I agree with you to a certain extent, but none of that has anything to do with the fact that you can get through the majority of your prep without doing double HIIT or double LISS. There is a time for those steps, and I have done it. Chris was simply saying many competitors do too much too soon.

ChrisAceto · 09-15-2009, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean15782

I think you're misreading him here. He's not saying to skip cardio completely, just to do the minimum amount possible(while still progressing) and manipulating your food intake as your primary means of fat-loss. A lot of guys are guilty of overdoing the cardio (I've seen as much as 1hr 2X per day @ 14 weeks out)

I would also put forth that you should think about the drug statement again. A guy on gear should/would usually be doing more cardio because muscle loss is less of an issue.

Here is the point; most people do to much cardio. Most people do not train hard enough......thus the reason to kill it on the cardio. They simply do not train to the degree they need to or should do to get off a lot of body fat. This (heavy cardio) in turn, makes them leaner but gives them a much different (less dense) look then had they done far less cardio and relied primarily on diet to get lean

ohmygosh · 09-15-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisAceto

... I think you can go to 3000 mgs vitamin C and eat asparagus and get a good diuretic efefct...

How would you do this? That is, how many days would you take asparagus/vitamin c? Any suggestions on how much asparagus or when to take the vitamin c?

Thanks for your help.

BODYBUILDINGVA · 09-16-2009, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ohmygosh

How would you do this? That is, how many days would you take asparagus/vitamin c? Any suggestions on how much asparagus or when to take the vitamin c?

Thanks for your help.

For me, I usually start the asparagus on the wednesday before a show on Saturday. I will eat it with each meal (2nd to the 6th meal). Vitamin C, I will do (3) 1000mgs tabs each day....from Monday -Wed...and then on thursday and friday...will do around 4000-5000mgs.......at the same time...I am drinking about 2 gallons of water.....

For me, this produces a water pump effect....water in.....water out.

Cape1 · 09-16-2009, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by calimac69

Chris,

I've been reading a lot of stuff lately by Charles Poliquin and some stuff from a lot of strength and conditioning type web sites that really look down on doing a lot of cardio for fat loss. I know in this post you have mentioned that you feel the fat loss should come from diet mostly and training but where do you draw the line. I hear some natural guys still doing cardio twice a day 6 days a week, some do it 6 days 1x a day. How do you know what is best for each person?

Poliquin and others mention several routines such as the German Body Comp protocol where you train 3 times a week whole body work outs with 45-60 seconds rest between sets doing mostly compound movements plus maybe 1 day of HIIT cardio on the off day. A lot guys on these sites really criticize doing more then 1 or 2 days of HIIT a week for fat loss. But based on all the people who you read on these forums it seems like it would be quite difficult to burn enough fat just from training that way.

What is your opinion?

I will take the guidence of people like Poloquin, Berardi, King and mr. Aceto before anyone on this site. NOt to say some of the successfull body builders on this site don't know their **** but 1) I think they over-emphasize cardio and 2) in some cases they are just trying to promote expensive and unecessary supplements.

calimac69 · 09-18-2009, 08:15 PM

Chris,

I would like your opinion on how I should proceed to shed this last 8-10lbs of fat I have. I posted my diet on this thread a about 1 or 2 months ago and you said everything looked great.

I followed that diet for 10 weeks, I am currently on week 13. To date I have lost 20lbs of fat and gained 1.5 lbs of muscle. I am currently at 13% bf down from a high of over 22% when I started.

Fyi, Currenlty I weight 168lbs with 13% BF from a high of 187lbs at 22+% bf 13 weeks ago.

From week 1 to week 10 I was eating 275g/p per day, 110-140 g/carbs per day and 50-60g/ fat per day from fish oil and one egg yolk with breakfast and incidental fats in lean read meats, fish and chicken. I was lifting 4 days a week and doing 3-4 days a week of cardio, ( 2 days of HIIT and 1 or 2 days of SScardio for max 30 min in morning on empty stomach)

At week 10 after reading a lot about how if I upped my intensity more and dialed in my diet slightly I could cut back on the cardio to 1 day a week. So for the last 3 weeks I have been training 3 days a week following Charles Poliquins German Body Comp whole body protocol M-W-F and doing HIIT on Saturday for 20minutes on empty stomach. I also dropped my carbs down to 60g on non-training days and up to 100 on training days, my protein is still around 275g, and my fat is still around 60g per day. I also do not consume any carbs in the evening including my post work out which for me is 7 or 8pm at night but instead consume about 40grams of whey. But since I cut the cardio out I have only dropped around 1.5lbs during the last 4 weeks and my caliper measurements barely budged except for a couple mm over the same 4 weeks. Whereas when I was doing the cardio 4 days a week I was dropping 1.5-2lbs a week and my calipers would drop 3-5mm every 2 weeks approx.

I would like to know if you think I should add back in 3-4 days a week of a combo of HIIt and SS cardio , should I start carb cycling, and/ or should I add a high carb refeed day 1 day a week? I read so much conflicting info it is so confusing.

Some people say to do carb cycling from day 1 to finish, others say only do a refeed 1 day a week, others say only carb cycle and refeed when you start getting in the single BF%'s.

I am at 13% and my goal is 8%, as I said before I am at week 13, what is your recommendations. I also would like to add that I have been sticking to the diet with super discipline with only one cheat meal every 3-4 weeks. I also think you should know that I also have started taking your Norandalean and GH product and am excited to see how they help now that I only have about 8-10lbs more to go to reach 8% bf. I also want to add that I have a very tiring job that at the end of 8-10 hour shifts at 6pm at night I am exausted sometimes with such low carbs and I was wondering how much of an adjustment should I make with my carb intake based on the fact that I have a very tiring job, not so much labor intensive just really stressful and tiring by standing on my feet all day and walking around, not like laying bricks, but just moving a lot all day.

I know this was a long post but your guidance is truly appreciated to help my glide on in my to my goal of 8%BF!!!!!!!

I would appreciate in addition to Chris's opionion anyone elses advice also. Thanks guys!!!

p.s. Do any of your books go into explicit detail of how to diet and calcualte macronutrient ratios, cardio, carb cycling etc? Please let me know which book you would recommend because I would like to order it.

ohmygosh · 09-19-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BODYBUILDINGVA

For me, I usually start the asparagus on the wednesday before a show on Saturday. I will eat it with each meal (2nd to the 6th meal). Vitamin C, I will do (3) 1000mgs tabs each day....from Monday -Wed...and then on thursday and friday...will do around 4000-5000mgs.......at the same time...I am drinking about 2 gallons of water.....

For me, this produces a water pump effect....water in.....water out.

Thanks a lot. I see your background so you must have had success with this.

ironjim53113 · 09-27-2009, 04:02 PM

hey chris i've used the free bottle of kre-oxi pump i received from you for the first time on friday before my workout. i increased on every lift and it gave me a great pump and energy all the way through my workout. it's a great product chris. also i was going to purchase some of your books. do they have sample comp diets. i did my first show in may and think i lost too much muscle on a keto diet and tons of cardio. i'm on a mass phase right now and have went from 150 on contest day to 208 at the moment. thanks once again for the kre-oxi pump chris.

ChrisAceto · 09-28-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ironjim53113

hey chris i've used the free bottle of kre-oxi pump i received from you for the first time on friday before my workout. i increased on every lift and it gave me a great pump and energy all the way through my workout. it's a great product chris. also i was going to purchase some of your books. do they have sample comp diets. i did my first show in may and think i lost too much muscle on a keto diet and tons of cardio. i'm on a mass phase right now and have went from 150 on contest day to 208 at the moment. thanks once again for the kre-oxi pump chris.

Glad you are seeing results!....the ideal pre contest book is CHampionship Bodybuilding

ironjim53113 · 09-28-2009, 09:12 PM

i'll be sure and pick that book up real soon. this past olympia chris did you help jay cutler with his diet or who else did you help train for this past olympia. i think you did work with troy alves right?

ChrisAceto · 09-29-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ironjim53113

i'll be sure and pick that book up real soon. this past olympia chris did you help jay cutler with his diet or who else did you help train for this past olympia. i think you did work with troy alves right?

I worked with Troy and Eduardo Correa who was in the 202 class