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09-03-2009, 11:26 AM
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3. The wars and rumors of war, famine, and earthquakes have already happened multiple times. After exactly how much suffering is he supposed to come back?
5. Again, God is known to have killed children. If he asked you to do so, would you do it? Knowing that it's god.
7. What is man kind's sin exactly? Why should good people get cancer? and bastards nothing? Why is it that he can create the whole bloody world in 7 days but can't prevent a good person to get cancer? (don't come up with the "sin" excuse again, the guy didn't do anything wrong)
8. yeah right. bs answer
9. Proof that God is misogynous. (For example, we find this in 1 Corinthians, chapter 14:
"As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."
What do you say about that?
10. I meant as in modern days, why doesn't he appear these days? It's nice and all to have a book that says that people saw him 2000 years ago but why doesn't he find the need to appear today?
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09-03-2009, 01:32 PM
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Scripture says in Matthew 24:36 that only God knows knows the time appointed for Christ's return. As a result, I cannot can give you a precise date. Scripture foreshadows the event by indicating there will be many people claiming to be Christ and misleading believers, there will be wars and rumors of war, famine, and earthquakes. The Abomination of Desolation and suffering will occur before the return of Christ.
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3. The wars and rumors of war, famine, and earthquakes have already happened multiple times. After exactly how much suffering is he supposed to come back?
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Honestly, I cannot answer this question.
Many of the events that Jesus spoke of as signs for the end times have been foreshadowed throughout Scripture. He's not giving a precise date or the extent of suffering and calamity, but a call to be ready when it does occur. There are many theologians who believe that the Abomination of Desolation occurred with the desecration of the Temple in 70 AD, and that we are now living in the Millennial kingdom. The best evidence of this concept that I've heard is that we are living under God's grace instead of the harsh and immediate judgment that came before the fulfillment of His restorative plan through Jesus. However, this does not coincide with a return of Christ as would be predicted to happen in 1070 AD.
The other mainstream beliefs for when Christ will return are based on either a pre-tribulation or post-tribulation view.
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By first comparing it to the truth of Scripture. If it opposes Scripture or speaks boldly about an area where Scripture is silent, then there is cause to doubt that it is the voice of God.
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5. Again, God is known to have killed children. If he asked you to do so, would you do it? Knowing that it's god.
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What reference in Scripture are you using when you say that God is known to have killed children? I know that He instructed Israel to eliminate other tribes of people down to every man, woman, and child, and that it corresponded with a direct sin against God. In Scripture, God confronted and judged evil through Israel, His chosen people. With the fulfillment of the Law and Scripture through Jesus, the confrontation and judgment of evil occurred once and for all at the cross. As a result, we each have the ability to accept God's gift of salvation and be restored to Him. With that being said, I would doubt a command instructing myself or another to act with impunity against another person in such a way as judgment would be a result of my actions.
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Scripture says in Matthew 5:44-45 that the rain falls on the just and unjust, alike. No where does Scripture promise that Christians will avoid bad things happening. It is a consequence of the curse against creation due to mankind's sin. Scripture does promise that mankind and all of creation will be restored, but not until Christ's return.
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7. What is man kind's sin exactly? Why should good people get cancer? and bastards nothing? Why is it that he can create the whole bloody world in 7 days but can't prevent a good person to get cancer? (don't come up with the "sin" excuse again, the guy didn't do anything wrong)
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Mankind's sin, or defiance, against God was manifested in Adam's and Eve's choice to seize knowledge for themselves rather than asking God and depending on Him to provide it. We choose to govern ourselves based on our own desires rather than seeking and echoing God's desires. Because of that first choice and resulting sin, Scripture indicates that all of creation, which was deemed good in the beginning, was cursed and bore the consequences, such as disease, decay, and corruption. We are born into that diseased, decaying, and corrupted state.
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Actually, Scripture says in Luke 22:50-51 that Jesus healed a man whose ear had been hacked off. I don't know if you would consider that a surgical amputation, but it deals with the restoration of flesh.
Jesus' acts of healing tended to focus on the individuals being healed, and specifically their faith. Scripture doesn't mention amputees or the specific details of all the people whom Jesus healed.
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8. yeah right. bs answer
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That's a rather dismissive approach to my response. What exactly do you consider as insufficient in what I said?
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If you'd care to quote some passages or evidence for the oppression of women in Scripture, I'd be more than happy to discuss it.
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9. Proof that God is misogynous. (For example, we find this in 1 Corinthians, chapter 14:
"As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."
What do you say about that?
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Thank you for giving me a specific example. The passage you quoted is from 1 Corinthians 14:34. A study of this letter to the church at Corinth reveals that Paul was addressing several false teachings and other problems that the congregation was experiencing. The silence commanded in this passage does not involve the absolute prohibition of a woman addressing the assembly. Relating it to the preceding regulations on church order and evaluating the prophets, Paul indicates that the women should not speak up during such an evaluation, since such questioning would be in violation of the submission to male leadership that the Old Testament calls for (the Law of Moses).
God created woman as a compliment helper to man, not as a slave. There is equality between the two, but God gave the responsibility of being the "boss" to the man. Just as there is only one boss in any job or arrangement, God established man as the "boss" within the context of the marriage arrangement. The way that man should treat woman is demonstrated in Christ's treatment of the Church. It is a loving relationship, where the Head (Christ) is dependent and subservient to God. Man often ignores the responsibility of this loving headship, and pervert it into a dictatorship.
It's interesting that the Scripture has two verses pertaining to wives, which is submit to your husbands as to the Lord, in Ephesians 5:22-23, while husbands are admonished in the next 6 verses regarding their behavior toward their wives.
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Scripture records 11 instances where Jesus appeared to people after His resurrection.
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10. I meant as in modern days, why doesn't he appear these days? It's nice and all to have a book that says that people saw him 2000 years ago but why doesn't he find the need to appear today?
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If Jesus had appeared before now, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. When He returns, it will be to bring the promised restoration of ourselves, creation, and God's final judgment.
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09-03-2009, 08:10 PM
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^^ good answers. repped
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09-03-2009, 08:16 PM
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Honestly, I cannot answer this question.
Many of the events that Jesus spoke of as signs for the end times have been foreshadowed throughout Scripture. He's not giving a precise date or the extent of suffering and calamity, but a call to be ready when it does occur. There are many theologians who believe that the Abomination of Desolation occurred with the desecration of the Temple in 70 AD, and that we are now living in the Millennial kingdom. The best evidence of this concept that I've heard is that we are living under God's grace instead of the harsh and immediate judgment that came before the fulfillment of His restorative plan through Jesus.
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This is a great answer and it is what I adhere to as well. The Temple was desecrated in 70 AD when the Roman general Titus sacrificed a pig on the altar. This is what is described in the Little Apocalypse (Mark 13) and the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24).
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However, this does not coincide with a return of Christ as would be predicted to happen in 1070 AD.
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It does coincide with Revelation and the 1,000 years, if it is taken figuratively. I have a few good sites that explain the numbers, as well as a great book St. John's Revelation - Robert Sungenis. St. Peter said "a day of the Lord is like 1,000 years", it really doesn't make sense to interpret this literally considering the symoblic language that permeates the entire text of Revelation.
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09-04-2009, 07:58 AM
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It does coincide with Revelation and the 1,000 years, if it is taken figuratively. I have a few good sites that explain the numbers, as well as a great book St. John's Revelation - Robert Sungenis. St. Peter said "a day of the Lord is like 1,000 years", it really doesn't make sense to interpret this literally considering the symoblic language that permeates the entire text of Revelation.
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Thanks for the reference! Where visions are concerned, I also agree that care should be taken in interpreting them literally. That's usually why, in Scripture, an interpretation was given at the same time as the dream or vision. Revelation has always been tough for people to understand because they don't know the Scriptures well enough to see all the references back to the Tanakh, and it's John's best way of describing in words what he saw.. sometimes the language isn't sufficient to capture a visual image.
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09-04-2009, 08:48 AM
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09-04-2009, 08:54 AM
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Saying that a soul is eternal is fiction. It says in several places in the bible that when you die, you die like going into a deep sleep. That shyt about your soul coming out of your body and going somewhere else is NOWHERE in the bible. It's taught by religions that like to add in their own fiction to make it more appealing to the masses. Remember around the 1500s, the vatican only allowed the bible to be printed in Latin.....and only allowed their clergy to be the only ones to learn to read Latin. This prevented people from reading the bible themselves and calling the vatican out for teaching false shyt. History is grand.
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