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Obama appoints Monsanto fox to guard food safety hen house
source link: http://www.examiner.com/x-6495-US-In...examiner-email
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Obama appoints Monsanto fox to guard food safety hen house
August 23, 8:49 PMUS Intelligence ExaminerFred Burks
Former Monsanto vice president Michael Taylor may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history. Yet he has recently been appointed by Obama to be the U.S. food safety czar. It looks like we have yet another case of the fox guarding the hen house.
The safety of GMOs (Genetically Modified Organisms) in the public food supply has been hotly debated in Europe. As a result, labeling laws have been enacted there to allow consumers choice in the matter. Yet in the U.S., the powerful agriculture lobby, which is dominated by Monsanto and a few other mega-corporations, has managed to keep the GMO debate out of the media spotlight and thus out of public awareness.
Respected researcher Jeffrey Smith has worked tirelessly on this vital topic to report what the media has failed to cover. Below are excerpts of his comments regarding the recent appointment of the FDA's new food czar.
FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on ... the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods. Secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.
But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither science nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy, and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.
That man was Michael Taylor. He was Monsanto?s attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA in 1991. Not long after leaving the FDA in 1994, he became a Monsanto vice president and its chief lobbyist. Now, as of last month, he is back again as the FDA's new food czar. Like so many other similar positions, it's been a revolving door between big business and government.
If you read the FDA's announcement of Taylor's appointment as FDA commissioner at this link, you will not find any mention of his work with Monsanto. He is introduced there as "a nationally recognized food safety expert and research professor at George Washington University?s School of Public Health and Health Services."
If you read Taylor's bio on the website of George Washington University available here, you will see mentioned that he once worked as Vice President for Public Policy at Monsanto Corp, yet you will read nothing about his avid support of GMOs, nor the fact that his private law practice mentioned in the bio was largely in service to Monsanto.
Many had hoped that the more progressive Obama administration would not be as swayed by the deep pockets of mega-corporations as was the previous Bush administration. Sadly, it's too often turning out to be the same old story. Obama is repeatedly being more influenced by big money than by what's best for the public. For lots more on the serious danger of having Monsanto's Michael Taylor as U.S. food czar, read Jeffrey Smith's well researched article available here.
For a powerfully revealing video exposing the blatant corruption of Monsanto and their push to control the seed market and inject GMOs into the vast majority of our food supply, watch the excellent documentary The Future of Food at this link. For the sake of your own health, you will be glad you did.
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Yeah, I'm going to need to cult worshippers to explain this one.
Go ahead and use your huffpo, du, or dkos talking points if you like.
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08-29-2009, 04:33 PM
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08-29-2009, 05:24 PM
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Based on the Czars he has chosen thus far, this obviously makes sense, just not to me, Obama spends more time in bed with Corporate America, hear that? NOTHING but silence, you cant make this up yet again.
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Czars??? How dare he call them czars!! This CLEARLY shows he is a Russian Communist looking to take down our great Amerika!!!
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Thanks for the article, Randomhero. I just recently became aware of the dangers of GMO food. Monsanto has evidently been trying to cover up the truth for quite a while. But people are beginning to find out the truth about this stuff. Hearing that this Monsanto guy is gonna be food "czar" is just one more thorn in my foot...after I get sick from eating the GMO food I suppose I'll end up waiting in a mile-long line to see a government-approved doctor, only to find that I will be asked to voluntarily go home and die so as not to be a burden on the system.
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08-29-2009, 07:37 PM
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Thanks for the article, Randomhero. I just recently became aware of the dangers of GMO food. Monsanto has evidently been trying to cover up the truth for quite a while. But people are beginning to find out the truth about this stuff. Hearing that this Monsanto guy is gonna be food "czar" is just one more thorn in my foot...after I get sick from eating the GMO food I suppose I'll end up waiting in a mile-long line to see a government-approved doctor, only to find that I will be asked to voluntarily go home and die so as not to be a burden on the system.
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jesus, the only dangerous part of Monsanto and GMO's is the business aspect of it. Monsanto is an evil corporation bent on replacing natural seed with their patented seed. They also can sue farmers and test their crop to see if it contains any patented plants.
So yes, Monsanto is a horrible greedy corporation exploiting the poor all around the world.
And no, you won't die from eating some non-whole foods veggies or wheat.
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08-29-2009, 07:39 PM
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Re: Obama appoints Monsanto fox to guard food safety hen house
Obama is your typical conservative who is only allowing big business to govern itself.
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08-30-2009, 12:30 AM
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not suprising, look who Obama picked for the head of the USDA.
I believe the rationalizing goes something like this - Monsanto is a kind, benevolent company who are simply trying to make more cost-effective crops and hardier seed varieties so the 3rd world can be fed cheaply.
Or some variation of blaming Bush.
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Sigh, corporatism does not equal conservatism.
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orly?
Fascists and Conservatives:
the radical right and the establishment in twentieth-century Europe
Contents
1 Introduction: Allies, rivals, or antagonists? Fascists and conservatives in modern Europe
2 Italian fascism: radical politics and conservative goals
3 Conservative Catholics and Italian fascism: the Clerico-Fascists
4 Conservatives and radical nationalists in Germany: the production of fascist potentials, 1912-28
5 German Conservatives and the Third Reich: an ambiguous relationship
6 Conservatives and fascists in Austria, 1918-34
7 Conservatism, traditionalism and fascism in Spain, 1898-1937
8 Populism and parasitism: the Falange and the Spanish establishment, 1939-75
9 Conservatism, dictatorship and fascism in Portugal, 1914-45
10 The conservative right and the far right in France: the search for power, 1934-44
11 Conservatism, authoritarianism and fascism in Greece, 1915-45
12 Fascists and conservatives in Romania: two generations of nationalists
13 Conservatives and fascists in the Nordic countries: Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland, 1918-45
14 Conservatism and the failure of fascism in interwar Britain
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Obama is a fascist liberal.
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LOL...that would be the ulimate oxymoron if only it were true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgZvMKlNV0o&#t=4m0s
Cliffs: "There's nothing liberal about Obama"
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Originally Posted by trailwarrior
orly?
Fascists and Conservatives:
the radical right and the establishment in twentieth-century Europe
Contents
1 Introduction: Allies, rivals, or antagonists? Fascists and conservatives in modern Europe
2 Italian fascism: radical politics and conservative goals
3 Conservative Catholics and Italian fascism: the Clerico-Fascists
4 Conservatives and radical nationalists in Germany: the production of fascist potentials, 1912-28
5 German Conservatives and the Third Reich: an ambiguous relationship
6 Conservatives and fascists in Austria, 1918-34
7 Conservatism, traditionalism and fascism in Spain, 1898-1937
8 Populism and parasitism: the Falange and the Spanish establishment, 1939-75
9 Conservatism, dictatorship and fascism in Portugal, 1914-45
10 The conservative right and the far right in France: the search for power, 1934-44
11 Conservatism, authoritarianism and fascism in Greece, 1915-45
12 Fascists and conservatives in Romania: two generations of nationalists
13 Conservatives and fascists in the Nordic countries: Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland, 1918-45
14 Conservatism and the failure of fascism in interwar Britain
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LOL...that would be the ulimate oxymoron if only it were true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgZvMKlNV0o&#t=4m0s
Cliffs: "There's nothing liberal about Obama"
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You are going to get negged to hell for posting that blasphemy here, although I'm sure you realize that.
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Originally Posted by trailwarrior
orly?
Fascists and Conservatives:
the radical right and the establishment in twentieth-century Europe
Contents
1 Introduction: Allies, rivals, or antagonists? Fascists and conservatives in modern Europe
2 Italian fascism: radical politics and conservative goals
3 Conservative Catholics and Italian fascism: the Clerico-Fascists
4 Conservatives and radical nationalists in Germany: the production of fascist potentials, 1912-28
5 German Conservatives and the Third Reich: an ambiguous relationship
6 Conservatives and fascists in Austria, 1918-34
7 Conservatism, traditionalism and fascism in Spain, 1898-1937
8 Populism and parasitism: the Falange and the Spanish establishment, 1939-75
9 Conservatism, dictatorship and fascism in Portugal, 1914-45
10 The conservative right and the far right in France: the search for power, 1934-44
11 Conservatism, authoritarianism and fascism in Greece, 1915-45
12 Fascists and conservatives in Romania: two generations of nationalists
13 Conservatives and fascists in the Nordic countries: Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland, 1918-45
14 Conservatism and the failure of fascism in interwar Britain
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LOL...that would be the ulimate oxymoron if only it were true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgZvMKlNV0o&#t=4m0s
Cliffs: "There's nothing liberal about Obama"
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You are arguing semantics and nothing more. Do you not realize this?
This is typically what happens:
Bob: He's not a conservative(someone who stands for a, b, c)
You: LOL YES HE IS LOOK AT THIS BOOK AND YOU'LL SEE THAT CONSERVATIVE MEANS STANDING FOR D, E, F.
What you are arguing is insubstantial, and serves no purpose other than to show you can use terms in a fashion that no else does. No one cares if what people on this board call conservative really means liberal, or whatever bull**** you can pull out of your ass. It's totally irrelevant.
If you think it's making you look smart, it isn't. Trust me.
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Originally Posted by Resonator
No one cares if what people on this board call conservative really means liberal, or whatever bull**** you can pull out of your ass. It's totally irrelevant.
If you think it's making you look smart, it isn't. Trust me.
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OK...wait WUT?... you're only 18.
When you have grown up perhaps you will understand that a conservative is a conservative: you can put lipstick on a pig, but it will only wear off, exposing the pig that was there all along.
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Originally Posted by trailwarrior
OK...wait WUT?...you're only 18.
When you have grown up perhaps you will understand that a conservative is a conservative: you can put lipstick on a pig, but it will only wear off, exposing the pig that was there all along.
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You completely missed my point. How surprising.
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08-30-2009, 03:16 AM
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You completely missed my point.
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not at all
It is the strategy of the fascists to have you believe that what was conservative no longer is, that it was once the opposite or at least get you argueing over it until you come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter. Well, it does matter to those of us who have not accepted this fascist propaganda as you apparently have and whether deliberate or simply out of ignorance, here you are perpetuating their propaganda.
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Fuuu
I was hoping Obama would do something to deal with the GMO BS.
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OK...wait WUT?...you're only 18.
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So you were just schooled by a teenager? Ouch.
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not at all
It is the strategy of the fascists to have you believe that what was conservative no longer is, that it was once the opposite or at least get you argueing over it until you come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter. Well, it does matter to those of us who have not accepted this fascist propaganda as you apparently have and whether deliberate or simply out of ignorance, here you are perpetuating their propaganda.
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Let's say most people on this board think that being conservative means you stand for positions a, b, c.
Now, let's say that someone comes along and says George Bush is a conservative.
Many people on the board then reply by saying that he isn't a conservative, because he doesn't stand for positions a, b, c. They do this because it is generally believed that person who is calling George Bush a conservative is trying to use George Bush as an argument against the positions a, b, c.
It doesn't matter if being conservative really means standing for positions d, e, f, because it is generally agreed upon that conservatives stand for positions a, b, c. When someone says conservative, they're referring to people who stand for positions a, b, c.
What you are essentially doing is claiming that the term conservative is used to label people who stand for positions d, e, f, which is totally irrelevant to anything. You're arguing semantics.
If you want to argue that positions a, b, c are flawed, then fine, but there's no point in arguing over the definition of conservative.
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Fuuu
I was hoping Obama would do something to deal with the GMO BS.
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I lol'd. Corporatism wouldn't allow that.
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Originally Posted by wikipedia entry for Monsanto
Former Monsanto employees currently hold positions in US government agencies such as the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Supreme Court. These include Clarence Thomas, Michael Taylor, Ann Veneman, Linda Fisher, Michael Friedman, William D. Ruckelshaus, and Mickey Kantor.[12] Linda Fisher has even been back and forth between positions at Monsanto and the EPA.
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Justice Clarence Thomas worked as an attorney for Monsanto in the 1970s. Thomas wrote the majority opinion in the 2001 Supreme Court decision J. E. M. AG SUPPLY, INC. V. PIONEER HI-BREDINTERNATIONAL, INC. which found that "newly developed plant breeds are patentable under the general utility patent laws of the United States." This case benefitted all companies which profit from genetically modified crops, of which Monsanto is one of the largest.[93][98][99]
Michael R. Taylor was an assistant to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) commissioner before he left to work for a law firm on gaining FDA approval of Monsanto?s artificial growth hormone in the 1980s. Taylor then became deputy commissioner of the FDA from 1991 to 1994.[93] Taylor was later re-appointed to the FDA in August 2009 by President Barack Obama.[100]
Dr. Michael A. Friedman was a deputy commissioner of the FDA before he was hired as a senior vice president of Monsanto.[93]
Linda J. Fisher was an assistant administrator at the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) before she was a vice president at Monsanto from 1995 - 2000. In 2001, Fisher became the deputy administrator of the EPA.[93]
Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was chairman and chief executive officer of G. D. Searle & Co., which Monsanto purchased in 1985. Rumsfeld personally made at least $12 million USD from the transaction.[93]
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Corruption is fukin rife in the USA it makes me sick, also this company sued farmers who were growing their seeds unknowlingly transported by the wind in Canada and the USA on the grounds of patent infringment and they also have patented a new breeding method of pigs that will basically mean they own any offspring created.
No wonder it won with an ex employee being a supreme court judge
People whinge about companies like Microsoft being pervasive and anti competitive, this company is 10x worse because in addition to being anti competitive its killing people with its products
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsant..._health_record
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This group has engaged in large-scale lobbying efforts at the state level to prevent milk which is rBST-free from being labeled as such.
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In Anniston, Alabama...the local Monsanto factory knowingly discharged both mercury and PCB-laden waste into local creeks for over 40 years.
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A UK government report shows that 67 chemicals, including Agent Orange derivatives, dioxins and PCBs exclusively made by Monsanto, are leaking from one unlined porous quarry that was not authorized to take chemical wastes. It emerged that the groundwater has been polluted since the 1970s.[55] The government was criticised for failing to publish information about the scale and exact nature of this contamination. According to the Environment Agency it could cost ?100m to clean up the site in south Wales, called "one of the most contaminated" in the UK.
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The company spent $8,831,120 for lobbying in 2008. $1,492,000 was to outside lobbying firms with the remainder being spent using in-house lobbyists
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Christ almightly I'm all for capitalism being left to run free 90% of the time but not to the point where a company corruplty gains an advantage over others.
This company is fukin evil, I didn't have much respect for Obama already but the appointment of an employee of one of the worlds most unhealthy companies ever to this position is immoral.
Yes extremely fukin mad
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there's no point in arguing over the definition of conservative
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You just proved my point: "whether deliberate or simply out of ignorance, here you are perpetuating their propaganda."
Thank you very much!
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Son, I am disappoint.
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About the only difference between Barack Obama and Adolf Hitler 6 months into their rain is that Hitler had a birth certificate.
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Originally Posted by trailwarrior
You just proved my point: "whether deliberate or simply out of ignorance, here you are perpetuating their propaganda."
Thank you very much!
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You're confusing western progressivism which is the Old Right Conservatism. It's different from modern Goldwater Conservatism (not neo-conservatism). Blinkhorn's book talked about that. Old right conservatives, once part of the western progressives, broke away from Lincoln republicanism after German unification and transitioned to what we know today as the modern democrat party. They're the ones who installed nanny-state/welfare organizations. They are statists.
Blinkhorn was really talking about how the fascists' successes in Latin America, Spain, Germany/Europe was attributed to statism after the first world war.
Goldwater conservatism really has little to nothing to do with supporting fascists and Hitler.
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About the only difference between Barack Obama and Adolf Hitler 6 months into their rain is that Hitler had a birth certificate.
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Don't make this thread retarded, please.
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Don't make this thread retarded, please.
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It's to late for that. The argument over whether fascism is left or right has already begun.
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obama is the worst thing to happen to this country
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About the only difference between Barack Obama and Adolf Hitler 6 months into their rain is that Hitler had a birth certificate.
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You may be right because both Barak and Adolf certainly are.
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It's to late for that. The argument over whether fascism is left or right has already begun.
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One thing people don't realize is historical context when looking at left and right positions for defining fascism. Fascism is an extreme form of soft tyranny, two steps above statism.
Left and right are always being redefined by the political elite every generation. The Old Right/pre-Goldwater would be closer to the modern democrat party today.
You know all those "people's party, social democratic party, national liberation people's party" during the Latin American coup de'tats in the 1950s? They all followed the ideologies of the Old Right conservatives and they were statists to the core.
The small government, lower taxes, pro gun rights conservatism today, at least in ideology, is nothing like the Old Right statists. Today, these statists call themselves Democrats. It's just a matter of giving themselves a new name. The tactics from the rule book are the same.
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I was hoping Obama would do something to deal with the GMO BS.
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It seems a lot of people were Hoping he'd do a lot of things...
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Originally Posted by all pro
It's to late for that. The argument over whether fascism is left or right has already begun.
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I'm sure Obama will be cooking Jews in no time.
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08-30-2009, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by AJbuilder
One thing people don't realize is historical context when looking at left and right positions for defining fascism. Fascism is an extreme form of soft tyranny, two steps above statism.
Left and right are always being redefined by the political elite every generation. The Old Right/pre-Goldwater would be closer to the modern democrat party today.
You know all those "people's party, social democratic party, national liberation people's party" during the Latin American coup de'tats in the 1950s? They all followed the ideologies of the Old Right conservatives and they were statists to the core.
The small government, lower taxes, pro gun rights conservatism today, at least in ideology, is nothing like the Old Right statists. Today, these statists call themselves Democrats. It's just a matter of giving themselves a new name. The tactics from the rule book are the same.
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I don't know when or by whom the left/right paradigm was created. To me it's a closed circle. Starting with anarchy/libertarianism/socialism/communism/fascism/anarchy. For me extreme left = fascism, extreme right = anarchy. Around and around. The labels just don't work well in American politics as you've rightly pointed out. So to simplify it, fascism wants to control everything and everyone. Anarchy doesn't want to control anything or anyone. So to me in American politics, left = fascism, right = anarchy. The confusion starts when somebody like McCain or GW Bush are called right wing when their obviously not. Maybe that's why I ignore the letter behind some one's name and just review their record!
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