Bolt will go down as the most dominant athlete ever

[danj112]

Originally Posted by Mafiafolife77

^^ LMAO just because this dude hasn't seen or heard of any of the names Fedor has beaten, they're automatically "scrubs". your knowledge of MMA as a whole is garbage so keep watching SpikeTV every day while wearing your cutoff Tapout shirt so you can show off that queer tattoo you have but just remember this: you're the UFC worshipping f@ggot that the entire Misc clowns every day. Looks like you're lost.

But just for ****s and giggles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_E...al_arts_record

Not that you're too much of a stubborn f@ggot to look/care/make excuses about the link or anything

Peace.

Misc clowns on me everyday? http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=118319351

Yup, Emelianenko is the greatest Pride fighter ever. Never argued that. When he beats a legit UFC opponent, I'll admit I'm wrong. Too bad the only one even remote to that in his weight class is Lesnar.

Originally Posted by Mafiafolife77

rofl.

you mean like anderson silva??
or maybe Dan Henderson???

Silva has 5 whole Pride fights. Not exactly a Pride fighter dummy.
I'll give you Henderson though.

Lol at your comment about my tattoo though. Good to see you're not ashamed for being fat and out of shape (inb4 played out e-thug comment). Didn't you say you "control your weight just fine". Can't believe people actually aim for that. inb4 ridiculous skinny arms joke. Yup your arms are "bigger" than mine. Not hard when you have 25 percent body fat.

[Calhexas]

Originally Posted by danj112

There is no doubt that BJ is more dominant the Fedor. Not even close. This isn't even up for debate.

omg.

I don't know which facepalm pic to use first.

You may think you're an exercise guru, but don't even try to pull **** like that. Ignoring one's comments on a subject is a completely different thing than not having any clue about what one is talking about. It's lactic acid. Any newby who has read their first book on exercise knows what it is. Stop acting like you've just unraveled the Dead Sea Scrolls and you're the only one who knows what they say inside.

It's not knowing what lactic acid simply is, its knowing how it works, what kind of events cause the greatest build up, and how it is removed from the body.

If you studied anything past the latest muscle and fitness, or the broscience on these boards, you'd know what I'm talking about.

Again, if you understood at all any of the principles I'm discussing (rather than just the definition of lactic acid itself) then you wouldn't be arguing this right now.

It's that simple. The way Phelps performed with such short rest periods is ridiculous. Absolutely off the charts in terms of true athleticism.

I ignored it because as I've already stated, Usain Bolt dominating his competition>>>Phelps.

Phelps won 8 medals. He was 8-0 in his events. How is that not him dominating his competition. His competition even had superior equipment, and Phelps still beat them. His recent losses have ONLY been to those with an equipment advantage...and his opponents acknowledge this. Phelps is fighting uphill battles...Bolt is on a much more level playing field.

Hell Paul Biedermann is better than Phelps right now. He beat him in the same race and took his WR like 3 weeks ago (see WR's in swimming being broke on a meet to meet basis)

He's better in one event. And he was wearing the faster suit. Biedermann recognized this fact. He even said he'd like to race Phelps without the suit to see if he could do the same thing.

edit: lol @ the 100m butterfly WR being set on 3 different occasions this year alone

lol @ how uneven the swimming playing field is. You said that the swimming competition isn't as high as the running competition. Considering all the different advantages one can get in swimming by just wearing different clothes, that is ridiculous. Swimming conditions are several times more difficult to reproduce.

[sprinkles]

Bolt is an amazingly gifted sprinter. What he does on the track is incredible. Will he improve and continue to break records and win races. Most likely. Will he go down in history as one of if not THE most dominant track and field stars. Again Most likely. Will he be regarded as THE MOST DOMINANT ATHLETE OF ALL TIME, which is what the initial statement makes. Possibly, but I sincerely doubt it.
You can make an identical point for Michael Phelps in the water.

In a sport of milliseconds there will inevitably be someone coming up who will best your time. Maybe months down the line, maybe years, maybe not even in our lifetime but eventually it will almost always happen. Phelps and Bolt both blew the competition away with their performances, true, Bolt by a wider margin of time, but it doesn't detract from what either athlete has done.


As for comparisons to MMA
-Fedor, while an amazing fighter at Heavyweight has not fought a legitimate threat to him in the past few years. Good fighters, MAYBE. Great opponents....NO.

-BJ Penn holds a somewhat lackluster record for a top tier fighter, but in sheer terms of skill he is superior to virtually everyone he has faced (NOT everyone, but most)
However his motivation and training have been questioned as to why his record is up and down. When he is motivated, he has shown he is one of the best in the sport.

-Anderson Silva is IMO THE most dominant MMA fighter over the past 3 years. 10 wins over UFC opponents including Ex-Title holders, top contenders, larger men, stronger men. He has crushed every fighter he has faced except for 2.

I only mention these three due to their appearance earlier in the thread. Are these 3 men dominant in there sport? Yes. There are others we could list for dominance, but that would be to waste time. The simple fact is that NO MMA fighter has been dominant to the point that this thread is meant to illustrate. MMA ITSELF hasn't been around long enough (under 20 years) to truly be a factor in this discussion.


As far as Tiger, yes he is a superior golfer. He has the skill and age that COULD potentially allow him to become the single most prolific player in golf history. However in decades past you could have argued the same point for Palmer, Nicklaus, Hogan, Hagen...etc

As Kethnaab pointed out with his Pictures of, Karelin, Gretzky, Louis, Coleman, dominance is subject to interpretation. I WILL say that Karelin was a pretty impressive specimen when it comes to dominance within their sport. 13 years undefeated, last 6 without losing a point.....Hard to see Bolt going 13 years without losing a race.....Before you get upset, I KNOW sprinting is more physically taxing than greco roman wrestling, I'm just illustrating about the interpretation of the word dominance.

You could also look at Michael Jordan, or Wilt Chamberlain.....Mickey Mantle or Babe Ruth.....Joe Namath or Johnny Unitas....all dominant players in their own professions, and all rightfully deserving of a place at the top of any sane persons top athletes of all time list, although I will not even begin to think about said order on that list.

As stated by LebronJ earlier...This is comparing apples to oranges yes, but isn't that the entire purpose of the thread?


My argument is simple, but not how you are seeing things. You are choosing to see that one individuals (Bolt) accomplishments over the past few years, and in particular the last 2, will mark him as the greatest athlete of all time against people who dominated their particular sport for years, and sometimes decades straight. Every year you could make up a GAoAT list, but it would be subject to scrutiny and argument by almost every single person who sees it. Also with the way records drop every year, it could be constantly changing.


Years down the line we will have a much better picture of where either Bolt or Phelps stand whether it be near or on top of this GAoAT list, but for right now, it is premature to mark either Bolt OR Phelps as the greatest athlete of all time.

[Afroclipse]

After reading this thread I have come to the conclusion that most of you are confusing winning with domination. I will show you the difference:

Here is a winner like Phelps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2qJ_GVLMWA


Here is a dominantion, unquestionable and competitionlessness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THmqR02sY9k

[sprinkles]

Originally Posted by Afroclipse

After reading this thread I have come to the conclusion that most of you are confusing winning with domination. I will show you the difference:

Here is a winner like Phelps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2qJ_GVLMWA


Here is a dominantion, unquestionable and competitionlessness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THmqR02sY9k

FYI....
Dominance : State of being Dominant.
Dominant : commanding, controlling, or prevailing over all others
Prevail : to gain ascendancy through strength or superiority : triumph
Triumph : Victory or Conquest

The two words are inherently linked together. Just saying.

If you want to argue further, we can look at varying degrees of domination, but it all amounts to the same basic principle.


I will not argue that Tyson was a destructive force for the first part of his career, but post 1990, he wasn't anywhere near the boxer he had been. For that matter if we are talking boxing, why not Ali ?

[Popcorn_fart]

lol at these tools naming MMA fighters. Im a big fan but where talking best athlete of all time hear. Which means M Ali, Pele, Maradona, Michael Jordan, and now Usain Bolt. I mean breaking records with ease at the age of 22 even flashing a smile to the crowd and looking around to see if anyones close is just insane. He killed Michael Johnsons record with ease and hes got 2 more olmypics ahead of him. And hes 6ft5 us big men dominate everything now we even faster than manlets

[Hishiad]

Let's not forget here that Michael Phelps is only 24. (2 years older than Bolt)


And in his swimming career he's held World swimmer of the year 5 times since 2003
American swimmer of the year 7 times since 2001
Currently holds 6 world records and 5 american records
He has also held 37 world records 29 individual and 8 relay records.

Holds 20 total gold metals from Olympics & World Championships
Holds 6 gold from Athens 2004
Holds 8 gold from Bejing 2008


Usain Bolt holds 6 total gold medals (non Junior) right now. 3 from Bejing and 3 from Berlin.

He is the most dominant sprinter ever in his 2 events, but to be the most dominant athlete you'd have to be top in more than 2 events.

I mean if he can dominante these events...may be he's in the same conversation
100 m
200 m
400 m
110 metres hurdles
4 x 100
50,55,60 (even though they are indoor only)


I mean it's not his fault that there's not as many events so can't necessarily fault him for that. My fault is he's only recently showed up as a top sprinter. Phelps was impressive over 2 olympics and still could compete in a few more before it's all said and done.

But if Bolt stays on his current pace and continues to dominate the events he does and adds the 400 by the next olympics (and if he shows well there) He'll easily be in the argument and hands down the most dominant runner of all time. Hard to argue with 14 gold medals in the Olympics and next closest only has 9. Bolt has only 3 at this point

[railgunner22]

Emelianenko Fedor

[Afroclipse]

Originally Posted by sprinkles

FYI....
Dominance : State of being Dominant.
Dominant : commanding, controlling, or prevailing over all others
Prevail : to gain ascendancy through strength or superiority : triumph
Triumph : Victory or Conquest

The two words are inherently linked together. Just saying.

If you want to argue further, we can look at varying degrees of domination, but it all amounts to the same basic principle.


I will not argue that Tyson was a destructive force for the first part of his career, but post 1990, he wasn't anywhere near the boxer he had been. For that matter if we are talking boxing, why not Ali ?

He didn't dominate, he won fights, I chose Tyson because he walked in the ring and completely demolished the competition. Look at Usain Bolt, watch all races in the past olympics and see how close they came, then watch Usain's races and you will see the difference. The gap between him and the rest is just unbelievably huge and I have to say that falls under domination.

[AFOX]

Bolt will never dominante the sport of track and field like the great Edwin Moses did. From 1977 to 1987 he was not beaten in the 400meter hurdles, and broke his own world record 4 times. Bolts WR's might stand a long time, but he will never win all his races for the next 10 years.

[jacketfan]

Originally Posted by Hishiad

Let's not forget here that Michael Phelps is only 24. (2 years older than Bolt)


And in his swimming career he's held World swimmer of the year 5 times since 2003
American swimmer of the year 7 times since 2001
Currently holds 6 world records and 5 american records
He has also held 37 world records 29 individual and 8 relay records.

Holds 20 total gold metals from Olympics & World Championships
Holds 6 gold from Athens 2004
Holds 8 gold from Bejing 2008


Usain Bolt holds 6 total gold medals (non Junior) right now. 3 from Bejing and 3 from Berlin.

He is the most dominant sprinter ever in his 2 events, but to be the most dominant athlete you'd have to be top in more than 2 events.

I mean if he can dominante these events...may be he's in the same conversation
100 m
200 m
400 m
110 metres hurdles
4 x 100
50,55,60 (even though they are indoor only)


I mean it's not his fault that there's not as many events so can't necessarily fault him for that. My fault is he's only recently showed up as a top sprinter. Phelps was impressive over 2 olympics and still could compete in a few more before it's all said and done.

But if Bolt stays on his current pace and continues to dominate the events he does and adds the 400 by the next olympics (and if he shows well there) He'll easily be in the argument and hands down the most dominant runner of all time. Hard to argue with 14 gold medals in the Olympics and next closest only has 9. Bolt has only 3 at this point

so basically, by your definition of dominant. Wilt chamberlain, jordan, ruth, and tiger woods can never be in the conversation as most dominant of all time because they only played "one event"

[Hishiad]

Originally Posted by jacketfan

so basically, by your definition of dominant. Wilt chamberlain, jordan, ruth, and tiger woods can never be in the conversation as most dominant of all time because they only played "one event"

They played a sport. Bolt runs in two events of a sport.


It's like Phelps only swimming butterfly even if he was impossible to beat in that event it wouldn't be fair to call him THE MOST Dominant.


But way to take a statement out of context.

[mullineux1]

Bolt IS NOT HUMAN !

[LebronJ]

Originally Posted by Hishiad

They played a sport. Bolt runs in two events of a sport.


It's like Phelps only swimming butterfly even if he was impossible to beat in that event it wouldn't be fair to call him THE MOST Dominant.


But way to take a statement out of context.

No but it's still a vaild point. Bolt is doing his "sport" if that makes sense.

The thing is, both have ripped apart their fields in different ways. Phelps won a variety, key word variety, of races, and that takes a broader skill set. Over 8 races, phelps could not be touched. But within the races, he wasn't as dominant. Remeber he won a race by a pinky.

Bolt can not be touched in his events. In a 100m sprint, the closet guy to him EVER, in history, ran a 9.71. It's only a hundred meter races and to be .13 better than the best is massive. Bolt is far and away the best sprinter and no one can be dispute that.

if you are going to use the phelps argument, Bo jackson is pretty damn impressive. He was in two professional sports, won an all star mvp, and was pretty dominant in two completey different skill set sports.

I'm just saying if you are going to use a broader skill set as a rule, in swimming, the skill set are different, but not as different as nfl ro mlb. personally, i think bolt has the edge but that is my PERSONAL perference. To be so good and so fast that everyone before they hit the blocks ALREADY knows they are going to lose, that's pretty damn impressive.

[jacketfan]

Originally Posted by LebronJ

No but it's still a vaild point. Bolt is doing his "sport" if that makes sense.

The thing is, both have ripped apart their fields in different ways. Phelps won a variety, key word variety, of races, and that takes a broader skill set. Over 8 races, phelps could not be touched. But within the races, he wasn't as dominant. Remeber he won a race by a pinky.

Bolt can not be touched in his events. In a 100m sprint, the closet guy to him EVER, in history, ran a 9.71. It's only a hundred meter races and to be .13 better than the best is massive. Bolt is far and away the best sprinter and no one can be dispute that.

if you are going to use the phelps argument, Bo jackson is pretty damn impressive. He was in two professional sports, won an all star mvp, and was pretty dominant in two completey different skill set sports.

I'm just saying if you are going to use a broader skill set as a rule, in swimming, the skill set are different, but not as different as nfl ro mlb. personally, i think bolt has the edge but that is my PERSONAL perference. To be so good and so fast that everyone before they hit the blocks ALREADY knows they are going to lose, that's pretty damn impressive.

this.

and to further it along a little bit, in the 400m relay, phelps was the slowest guy in the pool and still won the gold. Is that being "dominant"

i think alot of people are defining "dominant" as "successful". not by blowing away the competition like me and you are defining it. by their definition, boise state and robert horry are both dominant in their respective sports.

[LebronJ]

Originally Posted by jacketfan

this.

and to further it along a little bit, in the 400m relay, phelps was the slowest guy in the pool and still won the gold. Is that being "dominant"

i think alot of people are defining "dominant" as "successful". not by blowing away the competition like me and you are defining it. by their definition, boise state and robert horry are both dominant in their respective sports.

Yeah that's all i'm saying. Phelps outlasted his comp over some many days, bolt can not be touched. Full stop. No one is close to being on the playing field he is on.

What phelps did is harder to measure though. However bolt is head and shouldrs above his comp

[cardac1138]

bolts sport isn't popular enough to have him "go down as the most dominant..." i'm not saying he doesn't deserve that title, but he won't get it unless he decides to become a WR in the NFL or something

[KingQ]

They should make backwards sprint, sideways sprint, sprint with hands behind your head, sprint with your arms crossed, shuffle sprint, closed eyes sprint, and a few more sprint variations in the Olympics to compete with the swimming events. Once Bolt wins gold in all of these categories, he'd have the slight edge over Phelps.

Just sayin'

Another tidbit of info to help this thread along: swimming is only available to a select few who have access to a pool to practice. Running on the other hand, is available to anyone with legs. Therefore, competition in the running events are naturally tougher due to its availability to the number of people around the world. For those who've already got their panties ready to be bunched up, key word is 'competition' is tougher, not the event itself.

[johnnyD7]

no, look up all of Wayne Gretzky's records, then look at the next closest player, nobody will ever come close to breaking most of them, someone will break bolt's record in 15 years or less