Best Overall Creatine Product?

[SHADY6]

what creatine is that bro that your talking about. ive been using cell tech what you think about it.

[Rookie18]

just caved and bought more green mag. I wish it weren't so expensive, i could have sworn I used to get it at half price. But it's definitely good!

chris

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Originally Posted by Rookie18

just caved and bought more green mag. I wish it weren't so expensive, i could have sworn I used to get it at half price. But it's definitely good!

chris

glad you kept with it as its a great choice. for a non commodity product its one of the cheapest around 80 servings/days for 36 bucks at bb.com (after 10% coupon)

[aliquis]

Originally Posted by johnny1979

I've read that when you take Creatine if it's not fully in solution when you consume it, it will draw water out of your small intestines, causing diarrhea. So i think if you take Creatine in capsule form, you'll have diarrhea? I'm going to buy Creatine Ethyl Ester and Kre-alkalyn but i'm not so sure about buying them in capsule form, i'm afraid it will give me diarrhea...
What does the CEE mixed in water taste like? does it taste like N-Acetyl L-Glutamine? and won't it burn your stomach (i read it tastes like battery acid) if you have gastritis? and how dow Kre-alkalyn powder mixed in water taste like? Please help, maybe some of you have used both capsules and powder. Is SciFit Kre-alkalyn powder any good?

Wow, you're really listing kinda two of the worst creatine candidates.

CEE have been claimed to be everything Creatine Monohydrate was claimed not to be. Notice CLAIMED though, since in actual studies it has failed completely vs creatine monohydrate.

Kre-Alkalyn is also another bull**** product there they talk a lot about how inferior creatine monohydrate is even though those claims are wrong and they have never proven them. Some people really like kre-alkalyn so I guess it either have a strong placebo effect for paying so much for the crap or it really works. But there are no PROOF it works and the only study I've seen it actually broke down to MORE creatinine than creatine-monohydrate did ..

Personally I bought Green Magnitude last time because I had read a good review or two on a forum I visit and sour apple sounded delicious. I can't find anything in the ingredient list which make me interested though. I don't give a **** about taurine, betaine anhydrous seem better for meateaters and I get my tyrosine pre-workout instead. So the advantage whould hay to be in the creatine forms used, of which I have no idea. I throw in some creatine monohydrate to since if uptake really is bad of some form (which I doubt... since creatine monohydrate atleast has been shown to work in plenty of studies and experience by people) the more forms the better =P

I would recommend you to get straight cheap ass creatine monohydrate and save your money for more valuable stuff such as essential amino acids or stimulants (caffeine.)

I haven't tried acetyl-glutamine but I have tried acetyl-carnitine I guess you can kinda imagine the taste by this "guide":

Citrate - citric acid, as i imagine is found in for instance lemons.
Malate - malic acid, as in found in apples.
Acetyl - vinegar/acetum
Ethyl Ester - etanol / alcohol
Monohydrate - water

So will it taste like acetyl-glutamine? No, most likely not. CEE taste somewhat like alcohol, and is really gross. And considering it's **** (proven by studies) and marketed by bull**** (not backed up by studies) I'd say avoid it.

[aliquis]

Originally Posted by johnny1979

i have a question for guys who have actually used CEE or Kre-alkalyn: do u have to take your daily dose (let's say you only take 2g once a day) right before you workout or you can take it the day before and your body stores it? let's say you workout at 12pm can you take your daily dose everyday at 6pm?

There are no magic creatine products, I don't buy the "omg no need to loading" bullcrap. You don't have to load with creatine monohydrate either, just take 3-5 gram / day and eventually your body will have stored up as much as it can. I don't buy the "no bloat" crap as in bloated body either, creatine makes muscles hold more water, if your body store more creatine it will store more water along it, but so what? Who don't want more "free muscle"?

Your body holds and stores creatine the whole time, the reason to supplement it is to try to get it to store and hold more. The best way to take it is to spread out the doses or in the case of just one take it after the workout, eventually it may help to get it down with some carbs or food to.

CEE is ****:

Numerous creatine formulations have been developed primarily to maximize creatine absorption. Creatine ethyl ester is alleged to increase creatine bio Availability. This study examined how a seven-week supplementation regimen combined with resistance training affected body composition, muscle mass, muscle strength and power, serum and muscle creatine levels, and serum creatinine levels in 30 non-resistance-trained males. In a double-blind manner, participants were randomly assigned to a maltodextrose placebo (PLA), creatine monohydrate (CRT), or creatine ethyl ester (CEE) group. The supplements were orally ingested at a dose of 0.30 g/kg fat-free body mass (approximately 20 g/day) for five days followed by ingestion at 0.075 g/kg fat free mass (approximately 5 g/day) for 42 days. Results showed significantly higher serum creatine concentrations in PLA (p = 0.007) and CRT (p = 0.005) compared to CEE. Serum creatinine was greater in CEE compared to the PLA (p = 0.001) and CRT (p = 0.001) and increased at days 6, 27, and 48. Total muscle creatine content was significantly higher in CRT (p = 0.026) and CEE (p = 0.041) compared to PLA, with no differences between CRT and CEE. Significant changes over time were observed for body composition, body water, muscle strength and power variables, but no significant differences were observed between groups. In conclusion, when compared to creatine monohydrate, creatine ethyl ester was not as effective at increasing serum and muscle creatine levels or in improving body composition, muscle mass, strength, and power. Therefore, the improvements in these variables can most likely be attributed to the training protocol itself, rather than the supplementation regimen.

Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 2009, 6:6 Published: 19 February 2009, ht__tp:__/__/w__ww.jissn.com/content/6/1/6/abstract

Kre-alkalyn most likely is **** to (they haven't proven otherwise except marketing bull****:

Tallon MJ and Child R

University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. DrTallon@CR-Technologies.net


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All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp. (Billings, MT, USA) claim that Kre-alkalyn? (KA) a "Buffered" creatine, is 100% stable in stomach acid and does not convert to creatinine. In contrast, they also claim that creatine monohydrate (CM) is highly pH labile with more than 90% of the creatine converting to the degradation product creatinine in stomach acids. To date, no independent or university laboratory has evaluated the stability of KA in stomach acids, assessed its possible conversion to creatinine, or made direct comparisons of acid stability with CM.

This study examined whether KA supplementation reduced the rate of creatine conversion to creatinine, relative to commercially available CM (Creapure?). Creatine products were analyzed by an independent commercial laboratory using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP). Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37? +/- 1?C and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes and immediately analyzed by HPLC (UV) for creatine and creatinine.

In contrast to the claims of All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp., the rate of creatinine formation from CM was found to be less than 1% of the initial dose, demonstrating that CM is extremely stable under acidic conditions that replicate those of the stomach. This study also showed that KA supplementation actually resulted in 35% greater conversion of creatine to creatinine than CM. In conclusion the conversion of creatine to creatinine is not a limitation in the delivery of creatine from CM and KA is less stable than CM in the acid conditions of the stomach.

Kre-alkalyn? supplementation has no beneficial effect on creatine-to-creatinine conversion rates.

Feel free to buy the crap if you want to but be aware of what it is, and don't hype the crap for others or show off as someone who knows better or have found the awesomest product just to make yourself feel better from having bought the crap.

[aliquis]

Originally Posted by CONTROLLED LABS

awesome, which flavor green magnitude did you go with?

its on sale now for 25% off in the bb.com store

Wow, you're really serious about trying to sell your products =P

I wanted sour apple here in Sweden but guess it was out so got electric lemonade, can't say I appreciate it =P. Sour apple sounded so awesome, damnit =P

Purple wraath grape is nice, and I like the smell of both purple wraath, reminds me of an african store selling insense and textiles and other scary stuff =P

White Flood + inositol + tyrosine is nice. I also like the "ginger bread smell" (swedish "pepparkaka") =P

[aliquis]

Originally Posted by Dave183

I am taking EFX Kre-Alklyn! Waste of money. I was told this is the best creatine to take, so i spent loads of money on this. Trust me no gains in any form. Stick to monhonadrate all the way and is alot cheaper.

See my post 2-3 posts above =P.

Their claims about creatine monohydrate are lies if anything, and one can only assume the rest is to. They market it as if it was some super duper molecule of it's own but the patent says it's a mixture of some well known creatine forms with some alkaline crap. If anything they haven't proven it to be superior. Don't trust stupid claims.

I read some study which said this choline based thing raised GH 44 fold! Well, sounded nice, except that was at peak vs pre-workout, and people took the supplement 90 minutes pre-workout. At pre-workout time GH was 1/10 of the placebo group and at peak it was 68% higher than placebogroup, so 44 fold increment? Yes, vs pre-workout, but no-way close to placebo group. They only tell you what they want to tell you if the study is sponsored by the manufacturers. Also working out or sleeping or starving alone increase GH, not that GH does much for muscle growth at all anyway ..

[NO HYPE]

Originally Posted by aliquis

I would recommend you to get straight cheap ass creatine monohydrate

Then you'd be missing out on some of the unique benefits of C-BOL.

Originally Posted by aliquis

So the advantage whould hay to be in the creatine forms used, of which I have no idea.

Creatine nitrate & Creatine HCL.

Originally Posted by Bane

Creatine Nitrate

Creatine nitrate is the ground breaking new creatine form developed, patended and marketed exclusively by Thermolife International. After many attempts to improve the creatine molecule's properties, Thermolife is proud to introduce the first form of creatine that actually has improved characteristics without introducing a second molecule. So what are the advantages of creatine nitrate compared to other creatine forms?

Although creatine is very well absorbed by the body, it's solubility was always it's absorption limit. Creatine nitrate is perfectly soluble in water without having any offensive taste.

Furthermore the nitrate moiety has by itself wonderful properties. Lots of people use today NO products to increase 'pumps', vasodilation, nutrient transportation to the muscle, aerobic performance and recovery. All these products up to date had arginine as their base, which recently proved to be totally ineffective for actually raising NO levels(1). In fact most of the 'pump' feeling comes from an insulin increase following Arginine supplementation (2). Nitrates have been used in the pharmaceutical industry for decades to induce direct and fast vasodilation. They do this by directly binding to the blood vessel NO receptor. This creates a powerful vasodilating effect which actually helps with nutrient absorption and distribution and increases athletic performance(3).

There is more beauty to the nitrate moiety however. Organic nitrates have also a great use in pharmacy as a permeation enhancer. That means that they increase intestinal absorption of not only the bonded molecule but ALL nutrients co ingested. They are even able to allow absorption of large macromolecules as insulin!

To sum up Creatine Nitrate's advantages over all other Creatine forms:
- Superior solubility with no offending taste
- Superior direct vasodilating effect
- Superior absorption of itself and all coingested nutrients

Originally Posted by NO HYPE

Oral Bioavailability of Creatine Supplements: Is There Room for Improvement?

The 6th Annual ISSN Conference and Expo - June 2009
Donald W. Miller
Associate Professor
Department of Pharmacology and Therapeutics
University of Manitoba


So here is my interpretation....


In a balanced cross-over [10-subject] study design, creatine HCL has been shown to aquire a 47% increase in plasma AUC than that of creatine monohydrate.

Creatine HCL aquires a [SIGNIFICANTLY] greater aqueous solubility than does creatine monohydrate/pyruvate/and/or dicitrate. This significantly improves oral absorbtion and intestinal wall permeation as well as gastric empting intervals. This in turn means creatine HCL requires much less fluid to solubilize the dose, thereby eliciting less gastrointestinal distress with a reduced dose. This provides a more efficient method for enhancing creatine levels in the body. Overall, significantly improving solubility, results in significantly improved bioavailability.

[Bane]

Originally Posted by aliquis

So will it taste like acetyl-glutamine? No, most likely not. CEE taste somewhat like alcohol, and is really gross. And considering it's **** (proven by studies) and marketed by bull**** (not backed up by studies) I'd say avoid it.

CEE by itself is water insoluble and tasteless. What people taste in usual market CEE is the HCl(hydrochloric acid) which tastes well, like acid.

[darkphase]

green magnitude ftw!!!!!!
ive tried cell tech,sizeon, and cell mass
they are nothing compared to green mag it works wonders realy noticable!!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Originally Posted by aliquis

Wow, you're really serious about trying to sell your products =P

I wanted sour apple here in Sweden but guess it was out so got electric lemonade, can't say I appreciate it =P. Sour apple sounded so awesome, damnit =P

Purple wraath grape is nice, and I like the smell of both purple wraath, reminds me of an african store selling insense and textiles and other scary stuff =P

White Flood + inositol + tyrosine is nice. I also like the "ginger bread smell" (swedish "pepparkaka") =P

glad you are enjoying all of the products. the lemonade is great, but apple is the better seller of the two and the original flavor.

Originally Posted by darkphase

green magnitude ftw!!!!!!
ive tried cell tech,sizeon, and cell mass
they are nothing compared to green mag it works wonders realy noticable!!

glad you like it, also a great price at 80 days for 36 bucks after the 10% discount from bb.com

[Spartiatis84]

German creapure,

nothing even comes close!

[NO HYPE]

Originally Posted by Spartiatis84

German creapure,

nothing even comes close!

Then tell me the advantages over ThermoLife's C-BOL. *silence*

[NO HYPE]

Originally Posted by NO HYPE

Then tell me the advantages over ThermoLife's C-BOL. *silence*

Waiting.

[aliquis]

Originally Posted by NO HYPE

Then you'd be missing out on some of the unique benefits of C-BOL.
Creatine nitrate & Creatine HCL.

That marketing bullcrap don't tell me anything, show me double blind studies showing any benefits over creatine monohydrate. Also I think we may have been talking about a single product and in that case it wasn't c-bol but rather green magnitude or something else.

[Peter LeDrew]

Originally Posted by NO HYPE

Then tell me the advantages over ThermoLife's C-BOL. *silence*

Serious? Obviously a proven efficacy that spans hundreds of clinical studies! The most studied, purest and proven creatine with the highest testing and safety backing.

In the meantime, I hope to hear more about C-bol in the future, but I don't think there is even one clinical study out yet?

[aliquis]

Originally Posted by Bane

CEE by itself is water insoluble and tasteless. What people taste in usual market CEE is the HCl(hydrochloric acid) which tastes well, like acid.

Ah, I see, thanks, anyway it taste really horrible.

I've eaten worse though, HMB don't taste good, Na-R-ALA doesn't either, ginkgo-biloba and egcg/green tea is really harsh, haven't tried yellow gold ;D

Originally Posted by darkphase

green magnitude ftw!!!!!!
ive tried cell tech,sizeon, and cell mass
they are nothing compared to green mag it works wonders realy noticable!!

Yeah, maybe I'm stupid who takes creatine monohydrate on non-workout days and eventually on workout days to in case all that bloat crap really got some truth in it and green magnitude would be better without the creatine monohydrate for some reason. But it's not like I'll spend one serving of it on a non-workout day.

Originally Posted by NO HYPE

Then tell me the advantages over ThermoLife's C-BOL. *silence*

What about that there is atleast studies which shows that it works? Why don't you write some real advantage of c-bol over regular cheap ass creatine monohydrate instead? There must be like 20 different molecules with creatin now, so it's hard to get excitet by yet another one. Creatine monohydrate works, is most well studied and cheapest. Why go look for something else when it already works so good?

[aliquis]

Originally Posted by Peter LeDrew

Serious? Obviously a proven efficacy that spans hundreds of clinical studies! The most studied, purest and proven creatine with the highest testing and safety backing.

In the meantime, I hope to hear more about C-bol in the future, but I don't think there is even one clinical study out yet?

Yeah, "prove how it's worse!" when there are no studies is kinda retarded, isn't it up to him/them to show how it would really be better?

It's almost as stupid as some religious fanatics asking you to show proofs that god does not exist ...

Though the later is totally impossible, to show that c-bol has disadvantages vs creatine-monohydrate may be possible. It's not like a forum member will pay for study to find out though.

[Peter LeDrew]

Originally Posted by aliquis

What about that there is atleast studies which shows that it works? Why don't you write some real advantage of c-bol over regular cheap ass creatine monohydrate instead? There must be like 20 different molecules with creatin now, so it's hard to get excitet by yet another one. Creatine monohydrate works, is most well studied and cheapest. Why go look for something else when it already works so good?

He did post a study above showing better solubility... that would likely answer your question as to a 'real' advantage over mono... does it make a difference in the big pic? Possibly, esp. for someone who may not tolerate mono well via GI distress or whatnot... for them it may be a blessing?


Oral Bioavailability of Creatine Supplements: Is There Room for Improvement?

The 6th Annual ISSN Conference and Expo - June 2009
Donald W. Miller
Associate Professor
Department of Pharmacology and Therapeutics
University of Manitoba


So here is my interpretation....


In a balanced cross-over [10-subject] study design, creatine HCL has been shown to aquire a 47% increase in plasma AUC than that of creatine monohydrate.

Creatine HCL aquires a [SIGNIFICANTLY] greater aqueous solubility than does creatine monohydrate/pyruvate/and/or dicitrate. This significantly improves oral absorbtion and intestinal wall permeation as well as gastric empting intervals. This in turn means creatine HCL requires much less fluid to solubilize the dose, thereby eliciting less gastrointestinal distress with a reduced dose. This provides a more efficient method for enhancing creatine levels in the body. Overall, significantly improving solubility, results in significantly improved bioavailability.


The other additions are nice ones I would think... I do love me some NAC and the Nitrate thing is something to watch for... I'm not ruling anything out just stating creapure does have the strong clinical support over the years which would be an advantage to consider. I am interested in trying C-bol at some point and always look for formulas that take advantage of NAC.

[NO HYPE]

Originally Posted by aliquis

That marketing bullcrap don't tell me anything

It does if you know anything about nitrates. Case in point;

Originally Posted by Bane

Nitrates have been used in the pharmaceutical industry for decades to induce direct and fast vasodilation. They do this by directly binding to the blood vessel NO receptor. This creates a powerful vasodilating effect which actually helps with nutrient absorption and distribution and increases athletic performance(3).

There is more beauty to the nitrate moiety however. Organic nitrates have also a great use in pharmacy as a permeation enhancer. That means that they increase intestinal absorption of not only the bonded molecule but ALL nutrients co ingested. They are even able to allow absorption of large macromolecules as insulin!

To sum up Creatine Nitrate's advantages over all other Creatine forms:
- Superior solubility with no offending taste
- Superior direct vasodilating effect
- Superior absorption of itself and all coingested nutrients

(3) Acta Physiol (Oxf). 2007 Sep;191(1):59-66. Epub 2007 Jul 17.
Effects of dietary nitrate on oxygen cost during exercise.
Larsen FJ, Weitzberg E, Lundberg JO, Ekblom B.

Originally Posted by aliquis

show me double blind studies showing any benefits over creatine monohydrate.

Are you done asking rhetorical questions?.... Or are you just getting started? Seeing how the newly-released C-BOL is the first creatine-nitrate product on the market.... how would there be any double-blind studys comparing it to creatine monohydrate? *silence*

Additionally.... see my previous post on the benefits of creatine HCL over creatine monohydrate.

[futbolista89]

I have a new tub of Green Mag and of Prolab Creatine Mono. I used the Mono at first, then I bought the Green Mag. I've been on the Green Mag for about a month and I like it, so I bought a 2nd tub.

Is there anyway, or should I even think about using both the Mono and the Green Mag at the same time? I tend to take 1/2 scoop of Green Mag pre and then 1/2 scoop post workout.

[05impalaSS]

Straight up micronized Creatine.

[NO HYPE]

Originally Posted by aliquis

Creatine monohydrate works, is most well studied and cheapest. Why go look for something else when it already works so good?

If it works so well.... then tell me why there was a 47% increase in plasma AUC with creatine HCL, than that of creatine monohydrate?

How about for the fact that creatine HCL significantly improves oral absorbtion and intestinal wall permeation as well as gastric empting intervals, thereby eliciting less gastrointestinal distress with a reduced dose?

How about the fact that creatine HCL significantly improves solubility, which in turn results in significantly improved bioavailability?

How about the fact that the nitrate molecule in creatine nitrate binds to the blood vessel NO receptor, which in turn, creates a significant vasodilating effect which actually helps with nutrient absorption and distribution and increases athletic performance?

How about the fact that the nitrate molecule in creatine nitrate increases intestinal absorption of not only the bonded molecule, but all of the combined nutrients that are co-ingested?

[Aurelio01]

Originally Posted by NO HYPE

If it works so well.... then tell me why there was a 47% increase in plasma AUC with creatine HCL, than that of creatine monohydrate?

How about for the fact that creatine HCL significantly improves oral absorbtion and intestinal wall permeation as well as gastric empting intervals, thereby eliciting less gastrointestinal distress with a reduced dose?

How about the fact that creatine HCL significantly improves solubility, which in turn results in significantly improved bioavailability?

How about the fact that the nitrate molecule in creatine nitrate binds to the blood vessel NO receptor, which in turn, creates a significant vasodilating effect which actually helps with nutrient absorption and distribution and increases athletic performance?

How about the fact that the nitrate molecule in creatine nitrate increases intestinal absorption of not only the bonded molecule, but all of the combined nutrients that are co-ingested?

You gotta love company reps.

$20 says you don't even know what the hell that all even means.

[aliquis]

Originally Posted by Peter LeDrew

In a balanced cross-over [10-subject] study design, creatine HCL has been shown to aquire a 47% increase in plasma AUC than that of creatine monohydrate.

I don't know what AUC stands for but I don't know if that says enough. Are they the same molecules once in the blood? How do I know the creatine-monohydrate just wasn't picked up faster by the cells? Does Creatine HCL give higher amounts of creatine in the muscle after a period than creatine-monohydrate do? Does it give any extra performance?

It wouldn't surprise me if his creatine product cost ten times as much as creatine-monohydrate do. No thanks.

[darkphase]

Originally Posted by Aurelio01

You gotta love company reps.

$20 says you don't even know what the hell that all even means.

i lol'd!!!!

[aliquis]

Originally Posted by NO HYPE

It does if you know anything about nitrates. Case in point;

Are you done asking rhetorical questions?.... Or are you just getting started? Seeing how the newly-released C-BOL is the first creatine-nitrate product on the market.... how would there be any double-blind studys comparing it to creatine monohydrate? *silence*

Additionally.... see my previous post on the benefits of creatine HCL over creatine monohydrate.

Regarding the first text can't that just be the performance enhanching from the actual nitrates? It's known that intrates enhances performance, but so what?

how would there be any double-blind studys comparing it to creatine monohydrate? *silence*

You make them to try to prove that your product delivers any benefits? Or are you scared it won't?

[aliquis]

Originally Posted by futbolista89

I have a new tub of Green Mag and of Prolab Creatine Mono. I used the Mono at first, then I bought the Green Mag. I've been on the Green Mag for about a month and I like it, so I bought a 2nd tub.

Is there anyway, or should I even think about using both the Mono and the Green Mag at the same time? I tend to take 1/2 scoop of Green Mag pre and then 1/2 scoop post workout.

If regular creatine really is taken up by some Na-transporter or whatever I think some text said about the Magnesium Creatine Chelate and the MCC use Mg I guess using both may get higher uptake since you can use both transporters. But I have no idea. If nothing else replacing half GM with come CrOH will lower the price, and you can take CrOH on rest days.

[aliquis]

Originally Posted by NO HYPE

If it works so well.... then tell me why there was a 47% increase in plasma AUC with creatine HCL, than that of creatine monohydrate?

How about for the fact that creatine HCL significantly improves oral absorbtion and intestinal wall permeation as well as gastric empting intervals, thereby eliciting less gastrointestinal distress with a reduced dose?

How about the fact that creatine HCL significantly improves solubility, which in turn results in significantly improved bioavailability?

How about the fact that the nitrate molecule in creatine nitrate binds to the blood vessel NO receptor, which in turn, creates a significant vasodilating effect which actually helps with nutrient absorption and distribution and increases athletic performance?

How about the fact that the nitrate molecule in creatine nitrate increases intestinal absorption of not only the bonded molecule, but all of the combined nutrients that are co-ingested?

Get 200 lifters, give 100 creatine-monohydrate and 100 c-bol, let them workout as usual for three months and tell me which ones increased their max the most if scientificially significant. I guess for 100 lifters you may not need to care about the rest of their diet and training since it will be such a huge variation to begin with, but feel free to use 500 or make it more controlled if you want to.

50*3 = 150 gram of Creatrate for 60 $ = 400 $ / kg.
1 kg of creatine-monohydrate = 16 $.

You would have to want a heck of a lot of improvement if you are going to pay 25 times more ...

If your uptake figures are for 3 gram of each and it get picked up 47% better why not just add 47% more creatine-monohydrate if that works? It would still be 1/17 as much ...

Good luck fooling some other stupid kid.




Imho the only reason all these weirdo creatine substances exists is because creatine monohydrate don't look as cool on the label and don't make big money.

Latest Muscletech version = OMG IT'S LIKE TOTALLY DIFFERENT VERSION FINAL BETA-PROTOTYPE DELUXE BESTEST +2000% INCLUDING TEH PONIES! = Sell better thanks to the bonus ponies and also earn more money / jar = Happy Spongebob!

[aliquis]

Also why is this guy called "no hype"? Isn't all he tried to do to create hype about c-bol?

I trust him just as much as the controlled labs guy talking about kick in the ass and how all their products taste great.

I have them on my shelf, pw taste good for being an EAA product but great? GRRREAT!? It doesn't taste Pepsi! ;/