1st Cycle Ever using HGH

[yadgajack]

Hello all,

I am taking my very 1st cycle of riods, ever, so I've never taken any roids, just to be clear in case the title was ambiguous.

So I am 28yrs old, 178cm or 5'10" , and I am over weight 190lbs or 86 kilo. I am about 20% bodyfat, most likely due to a poor metabolism. I am an endomorph and I am pear shaped, so my BF is distributed pretty evenly throughout my body, thus a lot of it is in my ass and thighs.

I have been working out for 6 years and I am pretty strong but have NOT been able to produce an aesthetically pleasing figure.

My goal is to achieve:
17 to 18 inch or 47cm arms and big forearms
Big shoulders
Big upper back
9 to 12% BF and thus a six pack
Lose the weight in my ass and thighs

Ultimately I would like to be 175lbs or 79kilo at 10% BF or lower. So I don?t want to get huge, I would like to have Van Wilder's type body.

I have wide shoulders and large Pecs, so by achieving those goals above, I would effectively even out my body and thus look pretty good.

SO that all the background info...

I want to take roids but I was wondering if I could just take HGH? Because I need to lose a lot of BF and I don?t want to deal with side effects like balding because I am highly prone to it, I am already on Rogaine and finasteride.

1. Can you recommend the dosage, frequency and duration.

2. Also I have read quite a bit on HGH but am still not sure as to the post cycle supplements I would need to take. Some say you don?t need anything and natural GH production kicks back in within a few hours.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[allenkster]

honestly, by your opening notes and your description.. you need to learn how to eat and train first... stop blaming metabolism instead of ****ty diet and lack of motivation in the gym That is NOT a reason to use AAS.......


oh yea.. we don't call them "roids".

[yadgajack]

Listen I am ready to take it. From what I have read HGH would be perfect for me since I need to loose a lot of BF.

I have been working out for a long time, on and off granted but I know how to work out.

Just answer the questions please, its not like I am running down to mexico right away I ofcourse will still do some more research and I am preparing to commit to 2 years of consistent LIFTING

I will most likey start a cycle after 6 more months of consistent training to get a solid base

[allenkster]

OK, I'll try not to be a dick. I will only be honest and forthcoming with you.

Originally Posted by yadgajack

Listen I am ready to take it. From what I have read HGH would be perfect for me since I need to loose a lot of BF.

This is where you are dead wrong.. you lose bodyfat with your diet, and training. Drugs won't do **** for you unless your prepared and willing to dedicate yourself to it.. your statement just proved that you are NOT ready to take it..

I have been working out for a long time, on and off granted but I know how to work out.

Knowing how to work out, and dedicating the time and effort INTO working out are two very different things... you can't put in a couple weeks, then take a few off.. we train after a hard day of work, we drag our asses to the gym rain or snow, and skip going to the lake with friends so we don't miss a workout or meal.

Just answer the questions please, its not like I am running down to mexico right away I ofcourse will still do some more research and I am preparing to commit to 2 years of consistent LIFTING

Commit yourself to 2 years of constant lifting NOW.. After 2 years, and you reached that goal of 10%, THEN investigate AAS/peptides.

I will most likely start a cycle after 6 more months of consistent training to get a solid base

what happened to two years?

Seriously man, your looking for shortcuts instead of looking in the mirror to see the problems.. HGH is not the answer. So to answer your question, the answer is no.. you cannot just take HGH and reach the goals you have.

[GORILLA-E]

You dont need juice to get those results man i was 195 and i was fat i cut weight to 155 at one point and i was pure ripped just from proper diet, 50 minutes of cardio a day, and training about an hour a day for a good 4 months it was a quick drop of weight. I have recently went from 155 to 175. Eating properly and working out properly you will achieve these results HGH is really expensive and not something you want to inject the first time around if you wanted to take anything it would just be TEST E for 10-12 weeks with a good diet. If i was you i would learn how to train properly, eat properly and get your rest and watch what will happen good luck dont resort to steroids when you dont need them your metabolism isnt slow you are making it slow start eating smaller meals 5 times a day and it will speed up. DO SOME RESEARCH about dieting and training bro

[Stanozolol]

hgh? you are a f'in moron. get your lazy ass to the gym and bust ass and change your sh!tty diet

[yadgajack]

Originally Posted by Stanozolol

hgh? you are a f'in moron. get your lazy ass to the gym and bust ass and change your sh!tty diet

Ok fine fine, I read all your comments and I will not take anabolics until I am ready 2 years away.

when I read about HGH it definately seems to fit the bill for all my goals...however it doesnt go into at what point in a person's body status and development that person should take, thus I thought I could take it.

I am 28 so not necessarily a spring chicken...so seriously couldnt I take a modest amount of GH just for recovery and injury prevention, and to sorta speed the process along? remember I do have 6 years of experince working out, granted on and off

[allenkster]

Originally Posted by yadgajack

Ok fine fine, I read all your comments and I will not take anabolics until I am ready 2 years away.

when I read about HGH it definately seems to fit the bill for all my goals...however it doesnt go into at what point in a person's body status and development that person should take, thus I thought I could take it.

I am 28 so not necessarily a spring chicken...so seriously couldnt I take a modest amount of GH just for recovery and injury prevention, and to sorta speed the process along? remember I do have 6 years of experince working out, granted on and off

HGH does have it's benefits, but it's very expensive, and takes time to get any appreciable results.. it will not, however, do the work for you.

BTW... I'm 34, attitude and dedication have MUCH more to do than age... I'm not kidding.. HGH is not your answer, how about you START the process with your diet.. no sodas, limit your carbs, up your protein... no drinking / quit smoking if you do. Stop trying to bulk up, train cardio, HIIT. you will burn the fat off.

[Stanozolol]

Originally Posted by yadgajack

Ok fine fine, I read all your comments and I will not take anabolics until I am ready 2 years away.

when I read about HGH it definately seems to fit the bill for all my goals...however it doesnt go into at what point in a person's body status and development that person should take, thus I thought I could take it.

I am 28 so not necessarily a spring chicken...so seriously couldnt I take a modest amount of GH just for recovery and injury prevention, and to sorta speed the process along? remember I do have 6 years of experince working out, granted on and off

yeah brosef, it might sounds appealing, but there is much more to know about hgh. let me ask you this...how long were you gonna run it and at what dose?

[attmandu]

Originally Posted by yadgajack

Ok fine fine, I read all your comments and I will not take anabolics until I am ready 2 years away.

when I read about HGH it definately seems to fit the bill for all my goals...however it doesnt go into at what point in a person's body status and development that person should take, thus I thought I could take it.

I am 28 so not necessarily a spring chicken...so seriously couldnt I take a modest amount of GH just for recovery and injury prevention, and to sorta speed the process along? remember I do have 6 years of experince working out, granted on and off

You are a spring chicken... why do you need to take something for recovery and injury prevention... you don't even work out regularly, not even once a day. Even if you were having problems with recovery... it would be from under eating, under sleeping and under hydrating. There is no such thing as over training AND there is no way you can out train a bad diet... even with pills or shots.

These fellas are trying to tell you whatsup! It's 85% diet brah... At age 28 you still have high levels of HGH occuring in your body naturally and with the right stimulation your body is able to produce good levels for growth, recovery and fatloss. But you have to get to the gym and put in the time with the squats, deads and cleans. These types of lifts promote HGH releases in people my age! Also... sprint 8's are great for promoting further fatloss. Read and learn... this site is full of great information.

[yadgajack]

Farce eh...okkkkk

This is the kind of reaction I was hoping not to get, but understandable since this is basically a rediculous question I now realize from a complete newb to anabolics.

Anyway normal guys like me who workout for 6 years but dont really achieve anything may sometimes think that everyone at the gym who is extremely jacked, like a lot of the guys down here in Ft. Lauderdale are taking something, and I believe the huge guys definately are or a some point did.

Guess my problem is that I dont really understand the dedication and hardwork it really takes to get bigger.

So I was recomended this book, Power to the People by Pavel Tsatsouline...good or should I get something else

[AngeloBangelo]

Originally Posted by yadgajack

From what I have read a good diet with additional dedication would be perfect for me since I need to loose a lot of BF.

I've ONLY been working out 6 years with no real off time. I've always been preparing for oly lifting, powerlifting, or as of recent because of injuries, bodybuilding competition. I can tell you, I'm still not ready for HGH. I can simply still make gains on AAS alone and don't need to use hormones/peptides yet. Neither do you.

Diet down better and learn how to train better.

[Molon.Labe]

Even if you were ready to run HGH, unless you're very rich and can afford to run a significant dosage, you would be better off looking into other options. One day down the road if you are ready and still willing to take the plunge into AAS, there are other options available to you if you are worried about your hair such as running a low Testosterone dosage as a base and stacking a compound such as Anavar, Deca, or EQ.

First of all, you should be able to cut down to the bodyfat you want without taking any HGH or AAS. The "slow metabolism" you hear people blame their weight on is almost always totally wrong. Some people do have issues like hypothyroidism that cause a "slow metabolism", but this is very rare. If you really are concerned you can get checked out by your doctor.

More often than not, it's the person's diet and training that is to blame. Have you calculated your BMR? Do you count your calories? What do your macros look like? These are the kinds of things that need to be in check for most people to lose weight successfully and safely. My advice is get yourself a food scale (they're pretty cheap) if you don't already have one and then hit the "Fat Loss" forum. There is a lot of good information in there. The fundamentals are as follows:

1. Burn more calories than you consume. They say a pound of fat loss will cost you a 3,500 calorie deficit. Therefore, if you want to lose a pound a week (a safe, reasonable goal) then you want to burn 500 more calories than you consume per day.

2. Hit the weights. Do weight training 3 times per week as it will help you preserve muscle while burning lots of calories.

3. For cardio, do HIIT. A lot of people, including myself, think this is a great way to burn fat and maintain muscle.

4. Drink TONS of water. Shoot for at least a gallon a day, spread out evenly.

If you do those things CONSISTENTLY for a significant amount of time you WILL lose weight. Of course, there is always more to learn, but in my opinion, those are the fundamental and most important aspects of cutting. Checkout the fat loss forum for more detail.

I think you can get to your bodyfat goals naturally. Once you start to get to the low numbers, you can consider using things like a little caffeine or an EC stack (more advanced, be SAFE!) to help move things along. However, I wouldn't consider that even until your bodyfat was already pretty slow and it was becoming very difficult to make progress. Keep in mind that many people have gotten into the single digits with their bodyfat percentage without any kind of wight loss pills or stimulants.

Good luck.

[yadgajack]

Thanks all for the advice, no short cuts