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K, I've got a question. I'm thinking about getting on a 6 week cycle... now, if this is the first and only time I decide to juice... I know the guy that's going to help me... he mentioned taking nolvadex and obviously I've heard that mentioned as what you need to take and everything on here and various other places... also, he's going to be the one to give me the shot. I told him that I didn't feel like I could give myself the shot (plus, he's done cycles before so he knows how to give a shot... he's helping me).
Anyways, I haven't really decided if I'm going to do it yet or not. I'm just wondering what else (if anything) needs to be taken... also, what I should basically expect as far as side effects go. I mean, obviously I want to be as safe as I can and not have this mess me up on the inside or outside. Plus, I don't wanna hurt my sex drive or anything. Basically, I guess, what's worse case scenario for running a 6 week cycle and how do I go about being perfectly safe with what I'm taking and everything in order to avoid any side effects.
I know I can look up some of this stuff myself (sorry, guys)... I just thought it might be easier to post it in here. Just wanting some help.
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07-30-2009, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by XPmpnII
K, I've got a question. I'm thinking about getting on a 6 week cycle... now, if this is the first and only time I decide to juice... I know the guy that's going to help me... he mentioned taking nolvadex and obviously I've heard that mentioned as what you need to take and everything on here and various other places... also, he's going to be the one to give me the shot. I told him that I didn't feel like I could give myself the shot (plus, he's done cycles before so he knows how to give a shot... he's helping me).
Anyways, I haven't really decided if I'm going to do it yet or not. I'm just wondering what else (if anything) needs to be taken... also, what I should basically expect as far as side effects go. I mean, obviously I want to be as safe as I can and not have this mess me up on the inside or outside. Plus, I don't wanna hurt my sex drive or anything. Basically, I guess, what's worse case scenario for running a 6 week cycle and how do I go about being perfectly safe with what I'm taking and everything in order to avoid any side effects.
I know I can look up some of this stuff myself (sorry, guys)... I just thought it might be easier to post it in here. Just wanting some help.
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I"m not exactly sure what you mean, when I read your post it *sounded* like your doing a cycle of Nolva ?? I'm sure I am just misunderstanding your post..
Your buddy knowing how to give a shot is much much different that knowing how to run a cycle, just keep that in mind when you put that much trust into someone willing to jab a needle in your body... the potential for permanent damage to your HPTA is very real if he's getting you on a stupid cycle.
What are you going to be taking as a steroid? Nolva would be a PCT drug after your cycle to recover.. and I can pretty much guarantee you will have a low drive after your cycle untill you body recovers and is back to producing your own test.. Worst case scenerio is permanant damage, but again, this is all depending on what your buddy is planning on giving you... Find out exactly what he has planned and post back. If he's thinking of starting you on something like Deca/Tren/Test for your first cycle ever I would highly suggest you slap him across the face with a rotten salmon..
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07-30-2009, 03:06 PM
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I"m not exactly sure what you mean, when I read your post it *sounded* like your doing a cycle of Nolva ?? I'm sure I am just misunderstanding your post..
Your buddy knowing how to give a shot is much much different that knowing how to run a cycle, just keep that in mind when you put that much trust into someone willing to jab a needle in your body... the potential for permanent damage to your HPTA is very real if he's getting you on a stupid cycle.
What are you going to be taking as a steroid? Nolva would be a PCT drug after your cycle to recover.. and I can pretty much guarantee you will have a low drive after your cycle untill you body recovers and is back to producing your own test.. Worst case scenerio is permanant damage, but again, this is all depending on what your buddy is planning on giving you... Find out exactly what he has planned and post back. If he's thinking of starting you on something like Deca/Tren/Test for your first cycle ever I would highly suggest you slap him across the face with a rotten salmon..

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I'll check and see what he's planning, bro. And yeah, I meant the nolva as just a PCT. I've heard about clomid... I was reading about that when people were mentioning nolva, too. I didn't know if I would need that, as well.
Also, can you expect to keep most of the gains that you make when you're running a cycle?
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07-30-2009, 03:41 PM
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I'll check and see what he's planning, bro. And yeah, I meant the nolva as just a PCT. I've heard about clomid... I was reading about that when people were mentioning nolva, too. I didn't know if I would need that, as well.
Also, can you expect to keep most of the gains that you make when you're running a cycle?
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check out the threads in my signature and learn as much as you can before relying on a buddy to plan your cycle, you need to know if he's full of crap or not...
As for keeping your gains, it's all up to you, your cycle, your diet, continued training, and your PCT. That's a question nobody can really answer for you.
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07-31-2009, 06:22 AM
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alright ive got another question lol, fu ck i must be getting annoying..
just a quicky about liquid nolvadex.. ive got a few vials of this stuff from advanced-stealth, first question is does anything know if they're stuff is legit?
2nd question.. is it ment to taste like metho/ pain thiner?? like the after taste of this stuff is ranted!!
i mean dont get me wrong i know the tabs are the best option, but for the moment this is all i've got to work with, ive been knocked back by two doctors for tabs.. so im waiting on some from a mate, but my nipples just started getting a lil sore today after my chest session and im currently on 225mg of test enanth E3D, not sure if its gyno or not, im not prone to gyno but still just incase i started taking 4ml of this liquid nolvadex that is dosed at 10mg or 20mg per a ml.. i think it was 10mg per a ml so i thought i better take 40mg, and if its 20mg, well then i guess more isnt gonna hurt as this stuff can be underdosed at times so ive read...
anyway, just wanna know if anyone knows anything about liquid nolvadex??
and how i can tell if its real??
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07-31-2009, 08:23 AM
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no real way to tell if it's real man.
With that company it's really hit or miss, and from what I understand... it's mostly miss. I'm surprised it actually made it to you.
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07-31-2009, 10:56 PM
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no real way to tell if it's real man.
With that company it's really hit or miss, and from what I understand... it's mostly miss. I'm surprised it actually made it to you.
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yeh i got jibbed a while ago with them, got half of what i ordered the other half never came, i kept sending emails and tickets but they kept claiming it all was sent and without a seizure notice they wont re send, obviously i got no siezure notice so i was scammed..
out of 2x vials of test enanth, 2x vials of test prop, 1x vial of eq, 1x vial of winstrol depot and 2x vials of nolvadex i only got the eq, winny and nolvadex...
first and only time i was ever scammed online, but it turned me off, domestic seems to be a safer bet for the moment....
think ill just have to go get tabs from a mate insted of risking the liquid stuff..
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08-01-2009, 06:56 AM
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tabs ftw bro!
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08-01-2009, 07:11 AM
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Test cyp. Huge knots in my arms and legs.
I am doing Test Cyp 200. This is the second cycle. First cycle was 400 per week. I have bump up to 600 per week split in two.
Last cycle had little to no pain. This time I can hardly move my shoulder, leg...etc. When I do a delt injection the next day it is hard as a rock and very swollen.The pain from the firts lasted almost a week. I am still dealing with the 2nd delt inject from monday now dealing with the quad shots from yesterday. I split the dosage in two and used both quads with hopes to minimize amount in one spot.
Any ideas?
I go slow while injecting and I also let syringe set under faucet for a couple min.
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08-01-2009, 07:15 AM
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give it a few more shots to see if you get used to it, if not, consider getting some sterile oil to cut it with, or some b12.
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08-01-2009, 07:47 AM
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Quote:
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give it a few more shots to see if you get used to it, if not, consider getting some sterile oil to cut it with, or some b12.
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Do you think it takes our body a few weeks to get use to it?This is the same product from the same guy.
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08-01-2009, 07:53 AM
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Do you think it takes our body a few weeks to get use to it?This is the same product from the same guy.
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some gear hurts at first, and you get used to it. Soem gear will hurt for every injection of the cycle.
If your product isn't from a pharmaceutical company, then quality can vary greatly from batch to batch.
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08-01-2009, 09:42 PM
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It seems like its been awhile since anyone made any topics about IGF-1 Lr3. I was wondering if I could run it during my PCT to keep my gains, I was looking at running 50mcg EOD for two months.
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08-01-2009, 11:10 PM
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oh also Boldenone Undecylenate = EQ?
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08-02-2009, 09:18 AM
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Quote:
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It seems like its been awhile since anyone made any topics about IGF-1 Lr3. I was wondering if I could run it during my PCT to keep my gains, I was looking at running 50mcg EOD for two months.
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It's a very controversial subject.
It seems to work well for most, but only for the first 1 or 2 times.
I would run it during a heavy bulk cycle, and double that dose.
Be sure to get it with AA and reconstitute it yourself.
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08-02-2009, 09:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by XPmpnII
K, I've got a question. I'm thinking about getting on a 6 week cycle... now, if this is the first and only time I decide to juice... I know the guy that's going to help me... he mentioned taking nolvadex and obviously I've heard that mentioned as what you need to take and everything on here and various other places... also, he's going to be the one to give me the shot. I told him that I didn't feel like I could give myself the shot (plus, he's done cycles before so he knows how to give a shot... he's helping me).
Anyways, I haven't really decided if I'm going to do it yet or not. I'm just wondering what else (if anything) needs to be taken... also, what I should basically expect as far as side effects go. I mean, obviously I want to be as safe as I can and not have this mess me up on the inside or outside. Plus, I don't wanna hurt my sex drive or anything. Basically, I guess, what's worse case scenario for running a 6 week cycle and how do I go about being perfectly safe with what I'm taking and everything in order to avoid any side effects.
I know I can look up some of this stuff myself (sorry, guys)... I just thought it might be easier to post it in here. Just wanting some help.
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I don't think that steroids are a very good idea for you right now.
At least not until you are ready to actually take the plunge and dedicate yourself. If you aren't even willing to pin, then you don't want it bad enough.
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08-03-2009, 03:48 PM
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Test enthanate + Oxybolone Cycle
I am going to use the cycle below but replace the Dbol with Oxybolone. I havent found any info on this site about Oxy but have heard it is better than Dbol and read about it on other sites. Oxy comes in one tablet form and the tablets are 50mg. Its made in Europe. I cant post links to the info I have found as I have not made enough posts but I have found a lot of info that suggests it can be used the same as Dbol.
Has anyone on here used it? Should I use it at the same time as I would Dbol? 30min before a cycle. And should I use the same amount of Test E even thou the Oxy is 50mg?
Test + Dbol:
Test E or Test C @ 500mg every week (week 1-12)
Dbol @ 30mg everyday, 30 min before workout (weeks 1-4)
Nolvadex - 40/20/20/20/20 (week 13-17)
Clomid - 100/100/50 (week 13-15)
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08-05-2009, 02:10 PM
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I am going to use the cycle below but replace the Dbol with Oxybolone. I havent found any info on this site about Oxy but have heard it is better than Dbol and read about it on other sites. Oxy comes in one tablet form and the tablets are 50mg. Its made in Europe. I cant post links to the info I have found as I have not made enough posts but I have found a lot of info that suggests it can be used the same as Dbol.
Has anyone on here used it? Should I use it at the same time as I would Dbol? 30min before a cycle. And should I use the same amount of Test E even thou the Oxy is 50mg?
Test + Dbol:
Test E or Test C @ 500mg every week (week 1-12)
Dbol @ 30mg everyday, 30 min before workout (weeks 1-4)
Nolvadex - 40/20/20/20/20 (week 13-17)
Clomid - 100/100/50 (week 13-15)
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sorry I missed this buddy. You can use the oxy the same way as you would the dbol. 50-100mg per day, and you can take it any time of day. test dose remains the same. Anadrol can be hard on some people, so be careful and do your research.
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08-07-2009, 02:03 PM
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Hey,
I've been reading about Clen/T3 cycles, with the 3 week cycle normally being 40/40/40/60/60/60/80/80/80/100/100/100/80/80/80/60/60/60/40/40/40
That's amount for both Clen and t3 right (so first day you take 40mcg of clen, 40mcg of t3)? If not, what's a t3 cycle to match that?
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08-08-2009, 07:21 AM
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dbol only
...if i take dbol only what, if any gains can i expect? side effects? should i decrease other supplements (i.e., creatine, N.O.)?
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08-08-2009, 07:31 AM
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Hey,
I've been reading about Clen/T3 cycles, with the 3 week cycle normally being 40/40/40/60/60/60/80/80/80/100/100/100/80/80/80/60/60/60/40/40/40
That's amount for both Clen and t3 right (so first day you take 40mcg of clen, 40mcg of t3)? If not, what's a t3 cycle to match that?
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what you've got there is a t3 cycle. I think it's a dumb t3 cycle though. I would never take it above 50mcg.
I have no interest whatsoever in clen, so I can't advise you on it.
what are your goals with this cycle? I see you're 6' 170lbs... are you in contest prep?
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08-08-2009, 07:36 AM
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...if i take dbol only what, if any gains can i expect? side effects? should i decrease other supplements (i.e., creatine, N.O.)?
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you'll gain a ton of weight on cycle. It will be a mix of water, glycogen, muscle and possibly some fat. After the cycle you will lose the glycogen and water. You can expect to get some decent strength and mass gains with a short dbol cycle.
You should expect to look really puffy on dbol due to water retention. This will also cause your blood pressure to get pretty high. gyno is a big possibility with dbol as well. Acne and hair loss are possible. Lethargy and lack of sex drive are pretty likely if you don't take testosterone with it.
Keep your regular supplementation. You'll probably want to increase your protein and overall calorie intake.
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08-08-2009, 07:39 AM
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"gyno is a big possibility with dbol as well."
define "gyno"???
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08-08-2009, 07:41 AM
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gynecomastia
google it
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gynecomastia
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got it...thnx bro
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08-09-2009, 08:34 AM
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dbol only
has anyone here ever done a cycle of ONLY dbol? any experience shared will b greatly appreciated....
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08-10-2009, 08:29 PM
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Balkan pharms 50mg dbols...
are they good gear?
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08-10-2009, 08:37 PM
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Best pct to cycle-off of a 12 week cycle of anadrol and test cyp?
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08-10-2009, 08:39 PM
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Best pct to cycle-off of a 12 week cycle of anadrol and test cyp?
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Six weeks of nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20. Three weeks of clomid 100/50/50.
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08-10-2009, 08:40 PM
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Six weeks of nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20. Three weeks of clomid 100/50/50.
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Appreciated.
One more question to add to that. How much time in between the end of my cycle and my pct should I have?
Example: Start pct immediately following the 12 week cycle. Or is it possible to wait a few days in between?
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