If Africa/Asia/Americas had a decent military and economy

[BigBen85]

cry about it all you want, at the end of the day Europeans just styled all over the other cultures. I laugh at liberals who are super apologetic about colonialism etc. and at the same time are stringent darwinists. **** is hilarious.

[DaPlasurNDaPain]

[QUOTE=YARDGORILLA;356617431]

Originally Posted by DaPlasurNDaPain

Look, what do you not understand that linking and painting the world history of slavery into a single argument is counter-intuitive. Thier is an unmistakable dichotomy of the socio-economic structures that were in place throughout the history of the world where slavery has existed.

Slavery is a far more complex argument.

Let alone the "Origin of Species" vs. "Origin of Man" Darwinian comparitive model incorporating human nature and evolution.

I will rep you for being enlightened and emotional charged by my posts.

There is no need to rep me. I was not linking slavery into a single argument, but illustrating how European one differs from other slavery thought history.

[tnel00]

[QUOTE=US_Ranger;356612441]

Originally Posted by DaPlasurNDaPain

For ****s sake....it wasn't about RACE. The Africans got the short end of the stick because the Europeans found a cheap and abundant source of people to use that was near their homeland. The reason white people weren't enslaved was because a country would have to go to war in order to do it and that costs time, money and lives. Common sense.....

Thank you ^^^^

Racism wasn't the cause of slavery, never was. It was a side-effect of it however. After 300 years of seeing only black slaves, the rationalization became that they were a weaker race. This has to do with Africa not having the resources needed to successfully sustain a large civilization and army, and the only continent where the people's natural skin color is black. Therefore if the easiest form of free labor for 300+ years comes from an area where people are all black, then after a time a black person will be associated/correlated with slavery.

It's illogical thinking, but it's human nature to make a correlation between things like that if we notice them constantly enough.

[tnel00]

[QUOTE=DaPlasurNDaPain;356616171]

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

Roman freedman had full rights,

No they didn't. They were a middle class between slaves and roman citizens. They had more rights than slaves, but they were taxed higher than roman citizens and they weren't allowed to hold government positions.

[DaPlasurNDaPain]

[QUOTE=tnel00;356620651]

Originally Posted by DaPlasurNDaPain

No they didn't. They were a middle class between slaves and roman citizens. They had more rights than slaves, but they were taxed higher than roman citizens and they weren't allowed to hold government positions.

They did hold government positions, they weren't allowed to become senators, but neither did most of Roman citizens since the society was based on classes. Most were businessman or administrators. Emperor Claudius used them to run the Empire, Emperor Pertinax was son of a freedman, and most Romans had similar ancestry.

[ultimateme]

Originally Posted by tnel00

WTF are you talking about??? How does this response have anything to do with what I wrote?

Are you trying to say that Europeans invented slavery or that they were the first to cross a continent to enslave?? If 500 years ago a tribe in Africa was the most powerful country in the world and had seafaring technology and a powerful military, then most likely they would have enslaved europeans/asians. They did it to other African tribes, if they had the technology then it's a very realistic possibility that they would have enslaved europeans/asians as their civilization grew.

I'm say this. This great country of ours was built on greed, nothing more. From the east to the west it was all about expanding the empire for this Queen or that King. They knew damn well they weren't going to build it so, "let's go get them and make them do it". In the slavery scenarios here there is give and take on why slavery happened. But could Africa been avoided all together if they took volunteers to go to this new world to help build it? Oh yeah, The Louisiana Purchase, I forgot. They let all the convicts out of prison to build and settle Louisiana and Africans still became slaves.

[14kRPM]

Originally Posted by ultimateme

Europe invaded Africa for the sole purpose of expanding the Queen's empire. Once diamonds were found that pretty much sealed the fate of Africa. Blood Diamonds are real. After all the walking Louis and Clark did, and the Natives were won over. Some one had to till the land. The natives hid behind trees and started shooting white folks after their true intentions were known. They weren't about to be slaves. So enters Africa. I'm rushing through history so bear with me. All of this great land was not farmed by anyone white. Europe is the only continent that crossed the oceans to bother other people. Why?

The European people have been the most invaded race in existence!
We have suffered many Holocausts at the hands of the likes of Genghis Khan, North African Moors (Mongrels), Judeo-Christians, Asiatic Huns...
We've survived mass rape and slaughter; Many years of Ice Age and always come out on top!

If you really had respect for your fellow man, you would learn the correct history!
Don't stop at the very late occurrence of Euro-African slavery, where it's convenient for you.

Arabs enslaved Africans far more extensively, why don't you hate them?

Anyway, by your post it's obvious that you are clueless on this matter.
Until you have enough respect to learn ALL SIDES of history, keep it to your self. Ignorance is the ultimate disrespect.

[ultimateme]

Originally Posted by 14kRPM

The European people have been the most invaded race in existence!
We have suffered many Holocausts at the hands of the likes of Genghis Khan, North African Moors (Mongrels), Judeo-Christians, Asiatic Huns...
We've survived mass rape and slaughter; Many years of Ice Age and always come out on top!

If you really had respect for your fellow man, you would learn the correct history!
Don't stop at the very late occurrence of Euro-African slavery, where it's convenient for you.

Arabs enslaved Africans far more extensively, why don't you hate them?

Anyway, by your post it's obvious that you are clueless on this matter.
Until you have enough respect to learn ALL SIDES of history, keep it to your self. Ignorance is the ultimate disrespect.

Why do you use the word "we" when speaking about Europeans? Are you European? Like I asked some one else, did you read History or His story? There is a difference. And this discussion started out about Africa. I'm not ignorant, I just may know more about one side than you ever could read.

[14kRPM]

Originally Posted by ZexCui

the english actually did enslave the irish.

and I want my reparations NOW!
Just kidding, I can take care of myself.

[...Rousseau...]

Originally Posted by ultimateme

I'm say this. This great country of ours was built on greed, nothing more. From the east to the west it was all about expanding the empire for this Queen or that King. They knew damn well they weren't going to build it so, "let's go get them and make them do it". In the slavery scenarios here there is give and take on why slavery happened. But could Africa been avoided all together if they took volunteers to go to this new world to help build it? Oh yeah, The Louisiana Purchase, I forgot. They let all the convicts out of prison to build and settle Louisiana and Africans still became slaves.

I don't understand how so many African Americans can criticize this country and talk about how it was built on greed, and at the same time talk about Africa with so much respect when the same African countries sold their ancestors into slavery.

[kappakai]

Originally Posted by tnel00

The son of a slave was a slave in the majority of cultures, i have no idea where you get the idea that this was a new concept with African slavery.

And yes, you're right, African slaves in America were treated much better than the Egyptians treated the Jews.

i can't find a source for this, but i remember seeing on the history channel not too long ago a bit about how the jews in egypt weren't slaves in the modern sense, but were actually paid, skilled hard-laborers who were in a sort of contract with the egyptians. i need to find a source for this, but maybe someone else had seen this?

[YARDGORILLA]

Originally Posted by ultimateme

Why do you use the word "we" when speaking about Europeans? Are you European? Like I asked some one else, did you read History or His story? There is a difference. And this discussion started out about Africa. I'm not ignorant, I just may know more about one side than you ever could read.

I think I heard a couple of these lines in Do The Right Thing.

"His Story", cmon.

See Darwin, "Origin of Species" for clarification on the preceeding issues discussed.

Preceeding means before.

[14kRPM]

Originally Posted by tnel00

It was a side-effect of it however. After 300 years of seeing only black slaves, the rationalization became that they were a weaker race. This has to do with Africa not having the resources needed to successfully sustain a large civilization and army, and the only continent where the people's natural skin color is black.

This is an entirely different topic, but... Africa has always had plentiful resources.
For some reason, Africans have never been able to do anything significant with the resources they have.
Why?

On the whole, I don't think it's a 100% bad thing. Africa is the only Continent that hasn't been completely taken over by Industrialization.

[kappakai]

Originally Posted by ...Rousseau...

I don't understand how so many African Americans can criticize this country and talk about how it was built on greed, and at the same time talk about Africa with so much respect when the same African countries sold their ancestors into slavery.

separate one from the other. the us was still built on greed and an enlightened and esoteric sense of entitlement, and that would have been the case regardless of whether there were slaves or not. having slaves just made it that much easier to implement.

[YARDGORILLA]

Originally Posted by 14kRPM

This is an entirely different topic, but... Africa has always had plentiful resources.
For some reason, Africans have never been able to do anything significant with the resources they have.
Why?

On the whole, I don't think it's a 100% bad thing. Africa is the only Continent that hasn't been completely taken over by Industrialization.

See above post.

[ultimateme]

Originally Posted by ...Rousseau...

I don't understand how so many African Americans can criticize this country and talk about how it was built on greed, and at the same time talk about Africa with so much respect when the same African countries sold their ancestors into slavery.

Africans selling others was a form of trade or barter or business. Now a good example of greed was cowboys chasing native american off cliff and shooting women and children to thin them out to get the land. Luckily Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse came to their rescue.

[YARDGORILLA]

Originally Posted by ultimateme

Africans selling others was a form of trade or barter or business. Now a good example of greed was cowboys chasing native american off cliff and shooting women and children to thin them out to get the land. Luckily Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse came to their rescue.

Buyers' Remorse.
And my family isn't even from this country.

[14kRPM]

Originally Posted by ultimateme

Africans selling others was a form of trade or barter or business. Now a good example of greed was cowboys chasing native american off cliff and shooting women and children to thin them out to get the land. Luckily Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse came to their rescue.

It's funny how you seem to have formed an allegiance with Natives in your mind, when they don't like you either. lol

[DaPlasurNDaPain]

Originally Posted by ultimateme

Africans selling others was a form of trade or barter or business. Now a good example of greed was cowboys chasing native american off cliff and shooting women and children to thin them out to get the land. Luckily Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse came to their rescue.

I could be wrong, but I think Africans were divided in tribes and not "countries" back then. They weren't selling "their own", but their enemies.

[Scuba19]

I think everyone is failing to realize that the chiefs, elders, leaders, other tribes, etc. also participated in slavery by kidnapping their own race and selling them to the "White Man". It's funny how everyone always likes to forget the role that black Africans played in helping slavery.

[...Rousseau...]

Originally Posted by Scuba19

I think everyone is failing to realize that the chiefs, elders, leaders, other tribes, etc. also participated in slavery by kidnapping their own race and selling them to the "White Man". It's funny how everyone always likes to forget the role that black Africans played in helping slavery.

history books make almost no mention of that at all in public schools.

[US_Ranger]

Originally Posted by ...Rousseau...

history books make almost no mention of that at all in public schools.

This.

I coach high school kids and I asked a bunch of them about it once and they looked at me like I was crazy. Luckily I had a REALLY good history course in college where we spent an entire semester going over the "little facts" that most books tend to leave out.

[ct3]

Originally Posted by ultimateme

Africans selling others was a form of trade or barter or business. Now a good example of greed was cowboys chasing native american off cliff and shooting women and children to thin them out to get the land. Luckily Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse came to their rescue.

africans selling africans : business
whites buying africans : outrageous


makes sense

[F23]

Originally Posted by ultimateme

Africans selling others was a form of trade or barter or business. Now a good example of greed was cowboys chasing native american off cliff and shooting women and children to thin them out to get the land. Luckily Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse came to their rescue.

WAT.

So it's ok if you enslave a guy if he's the same color as you are? This is the most retarded thing I've read on the internet in a least a month.

[tnel00]

Originally Posted by ultimateme

Africans selling others was a form of trade or barter or business. Now a good example of greed was cowboys chasing native american off cliff and shooting women and children to thin them out to get the land. Luckily Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse came to their rescue.

Originally Posted by F23

WAT.

So it's ok if you enslave a guy if he's the same color as you are? This is the most retarded thing I've read on the internet in a least a month.

read his other posts in this thread