FDA Enforces Action against 3 NJ companies

[Al Swearengen]

this just looks like normal posturing by the FDA to me and nothing more but there are chit holes out there and i'm sure most of you eat at them every week without knowing it so who knows.

[|ceman]

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

this just looks like normal posturing by the FDA to me and nothing more but there are chit holes out there and i'm sure most of you eat at them every week without knowing it so who knows.

I'm not generally a fan of the FDA, but I do approve of shutting down food factories that can't properly manage rodents and other pests. No excuse to have rats running the factory floor.

And while I may not know of every dirty restaurant I eat at, I can assure you that once I become aware of one's poor cleanliness I won't keep eating there.

[pu12en12g]

Originally Posted by |ceman

I'm not generally a fan of the FDA, but I do approve of shutting down food factories that can't properly manage rodents and other pests. No excuse to have rats running the factory floor.

And while I may not know of every dirty restaurant I eat at, I can assure you that once I become aware of one's poor cleanliness I won't keep eating there.

The "open 24" hour ones have a small advantage

[Al Swearengen]

Originally Posted by |ceman

I'm not generally a fan of the FDA, but I do approve of shutting down food factories that can't properly manage rodents and other pests. No excuse to have rats running the factory floor.

And while I may not know of every dirty restaurant I eat at, I can assure you that once I become aware of one's poor cleanliness I won't keep eating there.

in order for you not to come in contact with rodent excrement, insects and insect parts and or non listed ingredients in your day to day life you would need to stop eating all foods from all places including your own back yard but it's all good on a mega cut i suppose. lulz

i know it's unpleasant and the thought of it turn my stomach as well buts that's a simple fact living on planet earth, but i hear the moon is rodent and insect free if your looking to relocate.


P.S.
as i type this i'm completing my order at TP for some protein with fructose because i loved the no aftertaste in my shakes and now i must pay until this gets resolved.

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by industryman

During a recent inspection, FDA investigators found that several of the companies? products contained milk ingredients that were not declared on the product labels. In addition, the company failed to clean processing equipment between batches and control allergens in the facility.

FDA investigators also discovered live and dead rodents and rodent urine, feces and gnaw holes on bags of product.
[what is RSS?]

thats just horrible. running a clean manufacturing facility takes alot of work. you spend more time cleaning stuff than actually running product. crappy manufacturers take business from good places by offering cheaper pricing and this is what you get

ALL companies should visit their prosopective manufacturers before deciding to use them. Almost none do however

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

this just looks like normal posturing by the FDA to me and nothing more but there are chit holes out there and i'm sure most of you eat at them every week without knowing it so who knows.

FDA inspectors are just doing their job. they are not a problem and in fact they are a helpful solution. there are specific guidelines to follow. follow them and you are fine

other departments of the FDA, like the ones that arbitrarily and capriciously unfairly mess with good companies while ignoring the real offenders, are another story

[Al Swearengen]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

FDA inspectors are just doing their job. they are not a problem and in fact they are a helpful solution. there are specific guidelines to follow. follow them and you are fine

other departments of the FDA, like the ones that arbitrarily and capriciously unfairly mess with good companies while ignoring the real offenders, are another story

agreed but how do you and i know which inspectors showed up at this plant and why were they there was it a routine inspection or something else..

i've dealt with a few in my time and most are just doing their jobs but many on the other hand could care less about food and drug safety and care more about power and job security.

[Vince Goodrum]

Originally Posted by Beejis60

Side note: You're supposed to put your company affiliation in your sig. I believe that's ban-worthy brah.

I would put one there if I was affiliated with a supplement company.....

[Vince Goodrum]

Originally Posted by Anders0n74

Please tell me that one of these companies were the one that had "contacted you to rep for them."

They declined my begging and groveling to be a company rep for them.


I guess all I can say .... Rats, maybe next time.

[Bring_The_Pain]

Sucks for those of you who have these brands. I tend to stick to only a few companies for most of my supplements.

[CapnKrunk]

Alright ... enough Jersey bashing!! We all know New Jersey is dirty, I live here! North Jersey is polluted and South Jersey is still pretty nice!

[CognitiveNutrition]

Originally Posted by devildog_99

the email is at the top of the OP's article, go for it

Are you referring to the FDA's email? As the company's is not listed.

Originally Posted by Black_Label

Somethings might not add up, but its not like this released on a random site.

FDA.gov seems pretty official.

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsro.../ucm171458.htm

I don't blindly believe everything the gov says as truth just because they say it. I would like to hear from the company and see what they have to say.

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

agreed but how do you and i know which inspectors showed up at this plant and why were they there was it a routine inspection or something else..
.

i am assuming it was a standard inspection that every plant of a certain minimum size has been getting

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by CognitiveNutrition

Are you referring to the FDA's email? As the company's is not listed.



I don't blindly believe everything the gov says as truth just because they say it. I would like to hear from the company and see what they have to say.

i have seen some sh*thole manufacturing facilities. the report is not overly shocking to me

[CognitiveNutrition]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

i have seen some sh*thole manufacturing facilities. the report is not overly shocking to me

I concur. But with any presented information both sides should be taken into consideration to get a clear picture of the truth.

[Anders0n74]

Originally Posted by opsididitagain

I see a major changes in the US supplement industry by next year.

People will see all the recalls and changes made, you all may finally get what you pay for.
It's a good thing, even if It's less product's.. it will be more quality and no more b/s fads.

Not all changes are for the best however. The FDA is actually calling for criminalization of all supplements. If you're not aware: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=117533651.

Originally Posted by chasinSKURT

I couldn't name a single product any of these companies make... There's a very short list of companies that I'm willing to support.

Same. I mean I've obviously heard of American Whey with all the great reviews they receive here, but I also only trust a very short list of supplement companies.

Originally Posted by deserusan

That's pretty messed up and I feel bad for the people who have been stocking up on proteins with these brands. Some of what is being reported here is just deplorable.

Agreed. However, they did see this coming. My father was telling me (works in the medical field) that they were warned about this inspection months ago.

Originally Posted by TortureMaster

Lets wait and see. They will either comply and clean their ****, or seize to exist. Highly doubt that they will just walk because they keep up something so simple as hygiene.
If all ends well, I will actually be inclined to buy their products, because better tested and corrected than never tested. After such a screw-up, they will be watched more closely. I am sure there are other flying under the radar with similar practices.

No. They were warned about this inspection months ago. This was their final test.

Originally Posted by deserusan

When doing a site evaluation there is much more to qualifying the manufacturer then seeing it appears clean or run proper. You should be looking at batch records, and since no one is perfect, reports of manufacturing defects and how they applied a CAPA. More than likely it should take a few days. Basically you should run your qualification like a FDA inspection officer would All of this is pretty clear in GMP and as we are seeing, just because someone follows some GMP guidelines doesn't mean they are following all of them. Unless they are regularly audited by NNFA, NSF, STR, etc, or in the process of being approved with follow up audits you had better look really damn hard at them.

Agreed. My father deals with this every day, and too knows that just because you're certified, doesn't always mean you are following the rules 100% of the time.

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

agreed but how do you and i know which inspectors showed up at this plant and why were they there was it a routine inspection or something else..

i've dealt with a few in my time and most are just doing their jobs but many on the other hand could care less about food and drug safety and care more about power and job security.

It wasn't routine. As stated in my answers to above quotes, they were all warned about this inspection months ago.

[mjwarburton]

This is for sure a ****ty deal. Irritates me, but I understand at the same time, that I prolly eat tons of crap on a daily basis. I worked in a food place while a young teen, and it was ridiculous clean, much more than any place I've ever worked, but some of the peeps that worked there weren't, which washes the whole deal. There is too many things along the way that can contaminate a product. I wish I could find a company that was 100 percent clean, with employees with perfect hygeine, etc, etc, etc, but that is far from realistic. I won't buy from these caught comps again, but it's only a matter of time b4 the next one gets inspected and gets shut down. It's the business. **** deal, but life.

[watchfan]

Well this sucks... I literally just got 10lbs of American Whey... ****....

[sgt_kelly]

man, even though MRI stuff is really expensive, it really makes you respect their good practices, and quality product stamps they have on their products!!

[FameGirl]

Originally Posted by joakman

New Jersey in general..

I grew up next to a wildlife preserve in NJ

There's actually a wide variety of areas here... rural, urban, suburban, wooded, etc.

Traveling through an impoverished city, passing through a highway, or stopping in Newark airport don't count.

[deserusan]

Originally Posted by FameGirl

I grew up next to a wildlife preserve in NJ

There's actually a wide variety of areas here... rural, urban, suburban, wooded, etc.

Traveling through an impoverished city, passing through a highway, or stopping in Newark airport don't count.

Elizabeth is pretty bad which is even worse coming from someone who lives in Brooklyn.

[cmg.]

I'm regretting the one time I bought American Whey. I'm never going to buy products from these companies again.

[evankyle]

you get what you pay for. to save a few dollars a product that is cheap what is the point. We should buy from companies that follow cGMP. Is it any surprise that other manufacturers had salmonella recalls. Do these companies follow cGMP. Are their isolates really isolates. When you see protein being sold for $4-5 a pound you have to wonder if the quality is good.

[eldawg]

Originally Posted by chasinSKURT

I couldn't name a single product any of these companies make... There's a very short list of companies that I'm willing to support.

x2. This is the first thing that came to my mind as well. My list of health/supplement companies also keeps getting shorter by the day.

[DOGGCRAPP]

Some of you guys are losing the concept of this here. Do you really think those companies who put the 1 to 5 page ads all over the bodybuilding magazines make their own products? Virtually all of them are marketing agencies/companies.....they market their products with salespeople and people skilled in advertising and then have have (other companies) custom manufacturers make their products for them. The rare case is like Pat Arnold's company....he had a full on manufacturing plant as his company. Its the same thing with my company. Only half of it is TP. The other half of it is a manufacturing company called Primarch. We had the DEA come in last year to check out our capsulizer machines (the DEA keeps close connection with all capsulizer machines because illegitimate drug dealers love to buy these machines if possible on the black market). We have had the FDA come in and check all things out also. No problem in the least.... we welcome them for legitimacy. Our machines are cleaned every single day thoroughly, every utensil/nook/cranny is cleaned. Our cleanrooms are wet cleaned like there is an inspection going to happen every single day.
You guys are looking at the names of these companies above thinking "whats the big deal, they are small time companies?".....no they are custom manufacturers that very well could be making the very products of the Big Brand name companies you use. Thats the big problem here. So when I hear "oh dont worry bout so and so because they put 5 page ads in Muscular Developement"......I have to shake my head because you are thinking a marketing company is the manufacturer.

I know im not the only one as a custom manufacturer whose stomach is sickened by the above.

[nni]

Originally Posted by DOGGCRAPP

Some of you guys are losing the concept of this here. Do you really think those companies who put the 1 to 5 page ads all over the bodybuilding magazines make their own products? Virtually all of them are marketing agencies/companies.....they market their products with salespeople and people skilled in advertising and then have have (other companies) custom manufacturers make their products for them. The rare case is like Pat Arnold's company....he had a full on manufacturing plant as his company. Its the same thing with my company. Only half of it is TP. The other half of it is a manufacturing company called Primarch. We had the DEA come in last year to check out our capsulizer machines (the DEA keeps close connection with all capsulizer machines because illegitimate drug dealers love to buy these machines if possible on the black market). We have had the FDA come in and check all things out also. No problem in the least.... we welcome them for legitimacy. Our machines are cleaned every single day thoroughly, every utensil/nook/cranny is cleaned. Our cleanrooms are wet cleaned like there is an inspection going to happen every single day.
You guys are looking at the names of these companies above thinking "whats the big deal, they are small time companies?".....no they are custom manufacturers that very well could be making the very products of the Big Brand name companies you use. Thats the big problem here. So when I hear "oh dont worry bout so and so because they put 5 page ads in Muscular Developement"......I have to shake my head because you are thinking a marketing company is the manufacturer.

I know im not the only one as a custom manufacturer whose stomach is sickened by the above.

i wasnt aware of one person in this section that didnt know this. but thanks for the info.

[OldheadStatus]

Originally Posted by FameGirl

I grew up next to a wildlife preserve in NJ

There's actually a wide variety of areas here... rural, urban, suburban, wooded, etc.

Traveling through an impoverished city, passing through a highway, or stopping in Newark airport don't count.

exactly, alotta southern jersey is woodsy, like the pinebarriens and central is more of beachy and north is ****tyer and dirty

[chasinSKURT]

Originally Posted by oldheadstatus

go **** a goat, u hick ignorant son a bitch i hope u burn in hell

Originally Posted by oldheadstatus

exactly, alotta southern jersey is woodsy, like the pinebarriens and central is more of beachy and north is ****tyer and dirty

c.d.t.15.y.o.b.

[OldheadStatus]

Originally Posted by chasinSKURT

c.d.t.15.y.o.b.

silly puddy

[DOGGCRAPP]

Originally Posted by nni

i wasnt aware of one person in this section that didnt know this. but thanks for the info.

See post 44 and others....(thats the problem....who else were they custom manufacturing for?)