My husband (36) just had a Heart Attack! - Page 8

sizeNstrength · 07-11-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by wyntersmom

I refuse to keep saying this story is for real. How about this I am going to post pictures of him in the hospital. Will anyone believe me then?

I probably should've reserched the products for him but I didn't. He told me the names I ordered. I never had an interest in learning about this stuff until monday night.

Umm...

You took your husband to the hospital because he was having a heart attack?

and you took pictures?

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Lil Bola · 07-11-2009, 02:57 PM

Not a heart attack, but I have heard anecdotal reports of left ventricular hypertrophy from just one cycle of epi. LVH can be normal, but within 30 days seems kind of extreme.

getbustered · 07-11-2009, 02:57 PM

Did you ask them what they are going to test it for?

Unless they are thinking it is spiked with something specific that they are looking for, or certain general things. What kind of test are they using?

"Well Jim, by the color of the powder I'd say the subject was ingesting what appears to be a magenta crayola crayon."

"Good enough for me, let's call it a day."

Clarko · 07-11-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by skier!

How is your husband a personal trainer and not understand the seriousness of these PHs?

Strange.

Not really. Most personal trainers don't know anything. There's tons of pts at my gym that have people standing on exercise balls and think that ph's/ds's are harmless etc.

btw they are actual steroids.

wyntersmom · 07-11-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TMac26

Being underdosed surely wouldnt be a problem would it? I mean that means he was taking in LESS than what he expected....correct?

Yeah exactly.

wyntersmom · 07-11-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sizeNstrength

Umm...

You took your husband to the hospital because he was having a heart attack?

and you took pictures?

.....

Yes They are posted in my profile pictures now. For those who think I'm lying.

em-dubya · 07-11-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wyntersmom

Who said he was being tested for steroids? Everyone knows this information. They wanted to test the product for something, I don't know what.

HHMMMMM

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Originally Posted by TMac26

Sounds like the Doc's wanted bill your insurance for more money...the bottle's clearly state what's in them

Im pretty sure the bottles say to consult w/ a Dr prior to taking any supps

TMac26 · 07-11-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by em-dubya

HHMMMMM

Im pretty sure the bottles say to consult w/ a Dr prior to taking any supps

Yea but a vitamin bottle says the same thing...i know my old doc before he retired didnt even know what Creatine was...so its hard to go to a Dr. about using supps when they dont even know what they are and/or too old to care

joen270 · 07-11-2009, 04:28 PM

so do I break my plan of taking epi in 2 weeks

em-dubya · 07-11-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TMac26

Yea but a vitamin bottle says the same thing...i know my old doc before he retired didnt even know what Creatine was...so its hard to go to a Dr. about using supps when they dont even know what they are and/or too old to care

Then you find a Dr that does.....I used to have a VERY old Dr that did'nt know squat about supps- However i was able to find one that knows a good bit about them

BUT he still does not approve of PHs(but does give me all the blood work i need

)

TMac26 · 07-11-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by em-dubya

Then you find a Dr that does.....I used to have a VERY old Dr that did'nt know squat about supps- However i was able to find one that knows a good bit about them

BUT he still does not approve of PHs(but does give me all the blood work i need

)

Def. gonna have to do that. I agree 100% of no Doc in the world agreeing with someone using steroids, (I mean after all that is what they are right) but that is good that you got a Doc that does all the ness. pre cautions to make sure that you are doing things right!

ITriedSoHard · 07-11-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Elwood83

He stacked 2 methlyated steroids on top of a pre-workout supplement loaded with caffeine while taking nothing to control blood pressure. That's why he had a heart attack.....he didn't do enough research

EDIT: Ok, I realize this was a harsh statement.

harsh statement, but i agree 100%

ITriedSoHard · 07-11-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by joen270

so do I break my plan of taking epi in 2 weeks

i am currently on epi. do your research, you will be fine.

getbig_ttt · 07-11-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by em-dubya

Then you find a Dr that does.....I used to have a VERY old Dr that did'nt know squat about supps- However i was able to find one that knows a good bit about them

)BUT he still does not approve of PHs(but does give me all the blood work i need

)

I don't think you could find a single doctor on this planet that would approve of PH/DS.

The logic that doctors have is simple:

1) Can PH/DS have (serious) side effects? YES.
2) Are they necessary for the patients health? NO.

Im not anti-ph/ds at all, but I don't think I could come up with any sort of reason why a doctor would approve of a PH/DS...

em-dubya · 07-11-2009, 04:53 PM

^^^ My Dr always says"Just stick w/ the creatine /BCAAs and protein and you'll be fine~~well maybe some NO too but thats all" lol

getbig_ttt · 07-11-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by em-dubya

^^^ My Dr always says"Just stick w/ the creatine /BCAAs and protein and you'll be fine~~well maybe some NO too but thats all" lol

Nice! You can't find many doctors around that know about simple stuff like BCAAs and creatine! Its sad...

IAFF3591 · 07-11-2009, 05:11 PM

I didn't read every post, but I would be interested in knowing his family history. Having an MI at that age usually has to do more with genetics rather than lifestyle.

Are his parents still alive? Grandparents? Did they have heart attacks at a young age?

Not a cardiologist...paramedic/firefighter for 12 years.

Curious not only for his sake, but also for managing patients in the future.

An Inconvenient Bro · 07-11-2009, 05:32 PM

well good to check back in and see that this thread continues to undermine even my lowest of expectations.

great work

Lil Bola · 07-11-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wyntersmom

Also all his other tests came back good, he has no blockages and no damage. The Dr said if he stays off the products he'll be fine.

If he didn't have any blockages or any damage he didn't have a heart attack. Did he even go to the cath lab? echo? Stents? CABG? what??

This whole story sounded fishy from the start....

|ceman · 07-11-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by An Inconvenient Bro

well good to check back in and see that this thread continues to undermine even my lowest of expectations.

great work

C'mon Dave. Don't you know that all you have to do is 'do your research, you will be fine'?

An Inconvenient Bro · 07-11-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by |ceman

C'mon Dave. Don't you know that all you have to do is 'do your research, you will be fine'?

well I posted some research. That went over like a lead balloon

Lil Bola · 07-11-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by wyntersmom

Thank you!
I agree with you totally about Drs knowledge. Actually we try to stay away from DRs except alternative health MDs and Chiropractors. We never go to the Dr unless we have to, I don't even like taking my children. All they want to do is shoot them up with viruses (I don't vaccinate) But sometimes when you're life is at stake the Drs are all you have.

uh, red flag. OP doesn't sound like she's playing with a full deck of cards.

We never got a full recap of exactly how he had these supposed "heart attacks."

btw, 36 yr old men can and do have heart attacks.

|ceman · 07-11-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by An Inconvenient Bro

well I posted some research. That went over like a lead balloon

Don't you know...we prefer research that has broscience threads by the good bros as the source. That's the ultimate pinnacle of peer reviewed research.

An Inconvenient Bro · 07-11-2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by |ceman

Don't you know...we prefer research that has broscience threads by the good bros as the source. That's the ultimate pinnacle of peer reviewed research.

good bros are always good!

TMac26 · 07-11-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by An Inconvenient Bro

good bros are always good!

I read your research and it scared the poo out of me...I've been using Jack3d and love it but i'm gonna def. check out other alternatives without L-Arg in them

|ceman · 07-11-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lil Bola

uh, red flag. OP doesn't sound like she's playing with a full deck of cards.

We never got a full recap of exactly how he had these supposed "heart attacks."

btw, 36 yr old men can and do have heart attacks.

There are effective medical treatments that don't always involve western methodologies. Don't forget that the west has given us the glut of dependencies on prescription drugs and a burgeoning obesity epedemic.

Besides, freedom to choose one's own medical treatment is a personal right.

Maybe you should head back to the misc before you start espousing the efficacy of cottage cheese over BCAAs again.

em-dubya · 07-11-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by |ceman

There are effective medical treatments that don't always involve western methodologies. Don't forget that the west has given us the glut of dependencies on prescription drugs and a burgeoning obesity epedemic.

Besides, freedom to choose one's own medical treatment is a personal right.
.

^^^ Well it should'nt be

lol

An Inconvenient Bro · 07-11-2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by An Inconvenient Bro

good bros are always good!

and cows that are considered good bros are really good bros!

Halfway · 07-11-2009, 06:37 PM

well that doesn't sound much fun.

but the reason he had those attacks was his genetic heritage, I've known literally hundreds of AAS users (most heavy abusers) who walk around for decades at high bodyweights, with elevated BP and liver values and none have had heart issues.

running some herbal 'protection' with his Jnr Steroid stack wouldn't have made a bit of difference if he was apparently so predisposed to heart problems.

Don't let him get down about it.. chances are anything would have triggered it if he was so succeptable.

dinoiii · 07-12-2009, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by getbig_ttt

I don't think you could find a single doctor on this planet that would approve of PH/DS.

The logic that doctors have is simple:

1) Can PH/DS have (serious) side effects? YES.
2) Are they necessary for the patients health? NO.

Im not anti-ph/ds at all, but I don't think I could come up with any sort of reason why a doctor would approve of a PH/DS...

First off, this thread has been incredibly ridiculous with notions of:

[1] "Doctors are worthless because they won't support my habits."

* Next time you need one, perhaps you could find a "preventative medicine" doctor then or whatever it is this board believes in as apparently doctors will merely not give condolences to your use of anabolic substances to couple with the heroin, amphetamines, et al we are also pushing. Secretly, we plot together to see how much foolish reality we can spew to our patients; and then for the fun of it...park a white van outside each and every one of your houses each day.

-and-

[2] "Doctors know nothing because they already shunned point #1 above."

* Actually, I would be more freightened by the doctor who suggested omniscence to be honest, but hey this may fall into one of those topics I know nothing about.

And above all else, why on Earth would a doctor give any kind of nod to use of PH/PS/DS? There is NO RESEARCH (outside of what one may claim exists in "message-board land" - a relatively fictitious, but at least pleasant because no one gets sick there and we all sing along to the tunes of flowers, trees, and bees swaying in the wind) and I don't give a damn about what a text from the 1960s may say about a particular compounds effects on the levator ani muscles. You think supplement companies are in this with your best interest in mind, rather than a quick buck. R - I - G - H - T!

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Originally Posted by An Inconvenient Bro

well I posted some research. That went over like a lead balloon

Yes, I posted way back as Shawn gave me a head's up to this thread's existence. It has turned into bb.com prototype however and it is mildly nauseating.

This is not to not make mention of the fact, that I long-ago too felt the comments by the reported physicians suspicious and then, too...never got answers to my questions. But, I seemingly have made people stop making false assumptions as the current lot of people still posting is a different group. Still labeling nonsense, unfortunately, but it is in fact, a different group.

Never did get the OP to answer some of my questions from way back...

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Originally Posted by dinoiii

My condolences to the OP and her husband and I would echo the responses I have seen wishing your husband the best. Is he alligned with any form of cardiac rehab?

I am uncertain why you are suggesting hypetension is unlikely here. Two modes of how this could very much so be the case are very probable.

First, her husband's lay-off from the steroidal agents for about a week prior to suffering the episode certainly could have precipitated a catecholamine rush (its hypotension, relatively speaking after being hypERtensive when opting for cessation of the agents). This kind of approximates that which is seen and why so many myocardial infarcations (MI's) occur in the overnight. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=2542976 Same pathophysiology here. But, I am uncertain who actually knows enough about this case to make any level of pontification in way of support or retraction as to potential etiologies.

Alternatively, exercise in a hypertensive patient could certainly precipitate an arrhytmia and subsequently an MI. Again, pathophys revolves around catecholamine fluxes; the same as most.

Not so actually. If he is occluded to any level, it is NOT the level of occlusion that dictates ischemia (lack of oxygen) to the myocardial (heart) tissue, BUT its disruption of this plaque that would be more likely and it is those lesions that are less than full occlusion that are the problem as the plaque disruption can begin in most as little as 30-60% (some of us typing in this thread already harbor those numbers).

EKG/ECG results?

Again, the pathophysiology as I have described above sounds more and more realistic.

What exactly is it they plan on testing for? This is a very suspicious statement on behalf of the physicians; there are no tests for these things?

Is it there anticipation that a urine toxicology screen (more for illicit drug use like opiates, cocaine, et al) would somehow tell them a lot about this or are they questioning what it was that your husband had in his system, like they intend to search for something like cocaine/amphetamines in the steroidal agents.

Again, to me, this is a very suspicious statement.

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