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Better than yours hah
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07-05-2009, 04:41 PM
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it's all about the pump
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07-05-2009, 04:57 PM
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it's all about the pump
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Cuz it also causes fluid volume shifts maybe? I wouldn't think it was big enough to be noticed. Guess I was wrong
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07-05-2009, 08:12 PM
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so where is this information about thyroid suppression?
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07-06-2009, 06:16 AM
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rhizome is BS...
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07-06-2009, 06:25 AM
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rhizome is BS...
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Do a little research and you'll be AMAZED by what you find about this stuff.
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07-06-2009, 08:32 AM
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i think you should tell us all since you already did the research and mentioned the flaws of this stuff
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07-06-2009, 10:09 AM
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Opuntia-Many Parts, Many Functions
Although it may be easy to mistakingly lump all opuntia-based products and studies together, there are dramatic differences in how each part of the plant is used, and studied. Remember that the Opuntia Ficus Indica is the name of a plant as a whole however, each individual part of the plant yields very unique qualities. For instance, the paddles (leaves) of the Opuntia are rich in fiber and are often used for purposes of weight loss, appetite control and even glucose management. The Opuntia flower extract may offer diuretic effects, and the Opuntia seed powder is touted in some studies to support glucose management and normalization of thyroid hormones. Although all of these components of the Opuntia plant may be quite beneficial, none of them share any similarities in form, function or patented extraction process that is unique to the Tex-OE in HSP Active.
Tex-OE is extracted specifically from the skin of the Opuntia fruit. However, just because you may see an Opuntia fruit product, or an Optuntia fruit extract in a product, or even a study on Opuntia fruit extract, be cognizant of how that information is interpreted. All Opuntia fruit products and extracts are not created equal. Do you know how much Opuntia fruit skin itself will elevate HSPs? ZERO! It must have every trace of fiber removed from it (like the patented Tex-OE) or it's completely useless as an HSP activant. You see, the fiber itself is the limiting factor to our (human's) ability to benefit from any of the heat shock protein benefits locked within the Opuntia plant. That's why Tex-OE is so unique, and offers so much potential for muscle growth, repair and fortification from the "inside-out" through amplified heat shock protein activity.
Sincerely,
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07-06-2009, 10:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rhizome
Do a little research and you'll be AMAZED by what you find about this stuff.
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Originally Posted by pankration82
i think you should tell us all since you already did the research and mentioned the flaws of this stuff
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hes not your ass-puppet, if you want the truth you will research it yourself. Ill counter your demand by my own though...show me the studies proving otherwise.
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07-06-2009, 10:23 AM
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No, he should provide a link where he got it from at least, that and i want MRI Performance to come in here finally and explain
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07-06-2009, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by MRIPerformance
Although it may be easy to mistakingly lump all opuntia-based products and studies together, there are dramatic differences in how each part of the plant is used, and studied. Remember that the Opuntia Ficus Indica is the name of a plant as a whole however, each individual part of the plant yields very unique qualities. For instance, the paddles (leaves) of the Opuntia are rich in fiber and are often used for purposes of weight loss, appetite control and even glucose management. The Opuntia flower extract may offer diuretic effects, and the Opuntia seed powder is touted in some studies to support glucose management and normalization of thyroid hormones. Although all of these components of the Opuntia plant may be quite beneficial, none of them share any similarities in form, function or patented extraction process that is unique to the Tex-OE in HSP Active.
Tex-OE is extracted specifically from the skin of the Opuntia fruit. However, just because you may see an Opuntia fruit product, or an Optuntia fruit extract in a product, or even a study on Opuntia fruit extract, be cognizant of how that information is interpreted. All Opuntia fruit products and extracts are not created equal. Do you know how much Opuntia fruit skin itself will elevate HSPs? ZERO! It must have every trace of fiber removed from it (like the patented Tex-OE) or it's completely useless as an HSP activant. You see, the fiber itself is the limiting factor to our (human's) ability to benefit from any of the heat shock protein benefits locked within the Opuntia plant. That's why Tex-OE is so unique, and offers so much potential for muscle growth, repair and fortification from the "inside-out" through amplified heat shock protein activity.
Sincerely,
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No, he should provide a link where he got it from at least, that and i want MRI Performance to come in here finally and explain
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You have what MRI said. And if you dont want to post studies against his word, why should he post any studies to back his up?
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07-06-2009, 10:34 AM
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because they are the ones selling the product, and i'm not the one that mentioned the flaws someone else did and that person should post a link showing where he got that info from if it's really that serious
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07-06-2009, 01:20 PM
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Potency and Value of HSP Active
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Originally Posted by yzerman123
I asked somebody at Source Naturals (they sell Nopal Endurance) how their product compares to HSP Active, given they both have the same patented extract.
They replied that they don't compare their products to others, so they wouldn't comment. :-(
I'll pose the same question to MRI and see what they say. Will keep you posted.
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The Potency of HSP Active
Although MRI does not normally engage in the practice of publicly comparing products, for the sake of clarifying the potency and value of HSP Active, we feel it is important to do so in this case . You see, HSP Active delivers the highest dose of heat shock protein-activating Tex-OE on the market, bar none. This not only effects the product potency and effectiveness, but also the cost value per serving.
Because IUs are primarily used as an indicator of potency and not weight, it is not always feasible to derive an exact IUs to mg conversion. However, in this case the actual conversion is 800 IUs of potency per 40 mg of product. This equates to a bottle of 30 capsules yielding 24,000 IUs; or 60 capsules (as quoted in the post) for a cost of $41. That works out to $0.85 per 1,000 IUs of that product.
In contrast, HSP Active is on sale at GNC for $39.99 (Gold Card price). A box of HSP Active, which contains 30 capsules, yields a whopping 75,000 IUs of Tex-OE! At the current GNC price, that works out to only $0.53 per 1000 IUs! Additionally, you would need to take 6 capsules of other Tex Oe products in the U.S. to equal just one serving (2 capsules) of HSP Active.
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07-06-2009, 02:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MRIPerformance
Although it may be easy to mistakingly lump all opuntia-based products and studies together, there are dramatic differences in how each part of the plant is used, and studied. Remember that the Opuntia Ficus Indica is the name of a plant as a whole however, each individual part of the plant yields very unique qualities. For instance, the paddles (leaves) of the Opuntia are rich in fiber and are often used for purposes of weight loss, appetite control and even glucose management. The Opuntia flower extract may offer diuretic effects, and the Opuntia seed powder is touted in some studies to support glucose management and normalization of thyroid hormones. Although all of these components of the Opuntia plant may be quite beneficial, none of them share any similarities in form, function or patented extraction process that is unique to the Tex-OE in HSP Active.
Tex-OE is extracted specifically from the skin of the Opuntia fruit. However, just because you may see an Opuntia fruit product, or an Optuntia fruit extract in a product, or even a study on Opuntia fruit extract, be cognizant of how that information is interpreted. All Opuntia fruit products and extracts are not created equal. Do you know how much Opuntia fruit skin itself will elevate HSPs? ZERO! It must have every trace of fiber removed from it (like the patented Tex-OE) or it's completely useless as an HSP activant. You see, the fiber itself is the limiting factor to our (human's) ability to benefit from any of the heat shock protein benefits locked within the Opuntia plant. That's why Tex-OE is so unique, and offers so much potential for muscle growth, repair and fortification from the "inside-out" through amplified heat shock protein activity.
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Thanks for clarifying MRI
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07-06-2009, 02:24 PM
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Thanks for clarifying MRI
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Man you are gullible. Wool over eyes; pulled. Notice how he danced around not providing any verifiable information.
Unfortunately, the same active compounds that do all I said are the same as in TEX-OE.
SUCKAH!
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07-06-2009, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by rhizome
man you are gullible. Wool over eyes; pulled. Notice how he danced around not providing any verifiable information.
Unfortunately, the same active compounds that do all i said are the same as in tex-oe.
Suckah!
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07-06-2009, 04:53 PM
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You have what MRI said. And if you dont want to post studies against his word, why should he post any studies to back his up?
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I never said i had any studies and i never mentioned the negetive effects of hsp active, he however did so, so like i said before provide us a link where you saw this info....it shouldn't be too hard
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07-06-2009, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MRIPerformance
The Potency of HSP Active
Because IUs are primarily used as an indicator of potency and not weight, it is not always feasible to derive an exact IUs to mg conversion. However, in this case the actual conversion is 800 IUs of potency per 40 mg of product. This equates to a bottle of 30 capsules yielding 24,000 IUs; or 60 capsules (as quoted in the post) for a cost of $41. That works out to $0.85 per 1,000 IUs of that product.
In contrast, HSP Active is on sale at GNC for $39.99 (Gold Card price). A box of HSP Active, which contains 30 capsules, yields a whopping 75,000 IUs of Tex-OE! At the current GNC price, that works out to only $0.53 per 1000 IUs! Additionally, you would need to take 6 capsules of other Tex Oe products in the U.S. to equal just one serving (2 capsules) of HSP Active.
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Actually, the other brand of Tex-OE (called Nopal Endurance) is on sale right now for about $21 for 60 capsules (48,000 IUs per bottle). Using the math from the MRI rep above, that works out to $0.44 per 1000 IUs, which is cheaper than the GNC sale price including Gold Card ($0.53 per 1000 IU).
It's true that you need to take 6 pills of Nopal Endurance to equal 2 pills of HSP Active, but the Nopal pills are so much cheaper that it's worth it ($0.35 per pill of Nopal compared to $1.33 per pill of HSP Active, which is almost 4 times cheaper).
The important point is that the MRI rep did not claim that one product is more effective or more pure than the other. It's the same active ingredient Tex-OE. So if somebody decides to try it, I don't see why they wouldn't try Nopal Endurance.
Personally I'm not entirely convinced that this stuff works. I'd like to see more hard research using athletes.
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07-07-2009, 05:44 PM
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i will provide feedback around the 3rd week of me taking it
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07-08-2009, 11:48 AM
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I'm feeling the heat that they're talking about, i started taking it sunday june 28th it is now wednesday july 7th
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07-08-2009, 11:53 AM
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I'm feeling the heat that they're talking about, i started taking it sunday june 28th it is now wednesday july 7th
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I'm feeling the placebo, troll and shill all wrapped into one too.
You know what that placebo heat is right? WEATHER!
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07-08-2009, 12:10 PM
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Not placebo i would know if that was the case, yes the weather is warm but thats not it
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07-15-2009, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by yzerman123
Actually, the other brand of Tex-OE (called Nopal Endurance) is on sale right now for about $21 for 60 capsules (48,000 IUs per bottle). Using the math from the MRI rep above, that works out to $0.44 per 1000 IUs, which is cheaper than the GNC sale price including Gold Card ($0.53 per 1000 IU).
It's true that you need to take 6 pills of Nopal Endurance to equal 2 pills of HSP Active, but the Nopal pills are so much cheaper that it's worth it ($0.35 per pill of Nopal compared to $1.33 per pill of HSP Active, which is almost 4 times cheaper).
The important point is that the MRI rep did not claim that one product is more effective or more pure than the other. It's the same active ingredient Tex-OE. So if somebody decides to try it, I don't see why they wouldn't try Nopal Endurance.
Personally I'm not entirely convinced that this stuff works. I'd like to see more hard research using athletes.
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Regardless of price per pill, I've stuck with the HSP ACTIVE for a little over a week and a half now and have noticed a shorter recovery time between w/o days. AVOID Myoshock! 400mg of caffeine sounds great if you want a cascade of cortisol! Check out some ingrediants like "berberine" and "eucommia" which the myoshock uses, bad news unless your looking to increase your estrogen levels!
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07-15-2009, 11:30 PM
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is this product safe for anyone? and whats the age requirement..i got a free box yesterday
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07-15-2009, 11:43 PM
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i advise you to sell it. didnt see anything from this and horrible dosing requirements.
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07-16-2009, 07:31 AM
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i advise you to sell it. didnt see anything from this and horrible dosing requirements.
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Did you eat anything with fiber close to dosing times?
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07-16-2009, 07:33 AM
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this sunday will be 3 weeks that i'm taking it and i'm on a freakin roll
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07-16-2009, 07:34 AM
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is this product safe for anyone? and whats the age requirement..i got a free box yesterday 
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Yeah it's safe bro just don't eat anything that has even a gram of fiber 2 hour before and 2 hours after if you do it correctly then you should be straight
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07-17-2009, 11:45 AM
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this sunday will be 3 weeks that i'm taking it and i'm on a freakin roll
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What do you mean? Could you describe the changes you've seen?
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07-17-2009, 12:45 PM
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What do you mean? Could you describe the changes you've seen?
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No problem, first thing i want to get out of the way is yesterday june 16th i did back and i was able to do 2 pullups with three 45 pound plates, something that i was never able to do before...i pretty much kept all my workouts the same and with the same weight for the first couple of week on it just to see if it would make a differance and it did as the workouts seemed to become effortless, so that gave me the green light to up everything so i was really happy!! and my running time has decreased from running 3 miles in 25:24 to 23:16 at a body weight of 227 pounds right now...i hope this helps
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