Don't want Obamacare? You'll be fined $1000 a year for refusing it

[nutsy54]

Originally Posted by OGT08

So, is this the free universal healthcare that he was talking about? Or do we have to still pay for it? Not sure..

NOTHING is Free

[War Machine]

Originally Posted by Tyrbolift

The distortion is beyond belief. Who told you that, Rush?

It's in there.


There's a provision that if you want to sell your home it must be inspected to see if it reaches the environmental code, and if not it must be retro fitted.

You may be forced to get new windows, plumbing, electrical, ect if they decide it's not up to their standard.

It's mention several places online if you want to look it up.

[Galvatorex]

Originally Posted by jmonty

how the **** is that even constitutional?

the constitution? wut constitution? we may as well not have one

[Galvatorex]

Originally Posted by Tyrbolift

lol

The distortion is beyond belief. Who told you that, Rush?

actually the government will be able to tell you if you can sell their home or not

[Galvatorex]

gl with that, what are they gonna do when i dont pay it? Come to arrest me?

Good thats when they will be met with a face full of bullets

[ElMariachi]

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

Whats the problem exactly?

If you have private insurance, keep it.

You will not be fined 1,000 dollars for turning away Obama's heathcare if you keep your own.

Are you people as up in arms about mandatory car insurance too?

I would be if you had to purchase car insurance whether or NOT you owned car.

[War Machine]

Originally Posted by BLKMAZDA

thanks, im glad someone knew it....it amazes me how ppl think that ur a total liar if your against obama. Anyway......

I know of it because I have heard and read of it. For someone to say it wasn't there or a distortion without looking for themselves is disingenuous.

[Stizzel]

Can anyone imagine the outrage from the left if this was Bush care instead?

[Stizzel]

Originally Posted by BLKMAZDA

IF BUSH DID THIS IT WOULD BE HORRIBLE FOR THE USA ACCORDING TO DEMOCRATS. bush didnt want what obama is planning. And democrats only want us now to think of the positve, where were they when bush was in, and all they could do is speak of negatives.......now why all of the suden they dont want to hear the negatives of what they are doing

Well, what are the positives? Government healthcare is already bankrupt. The country in general is bankrupt thanks to Obama's bailouts and 'stimulus' packages. Now we're going to add tens of millions of people to this burden? I can't see it lasting past its first year and then we're all going to have to deal with the consequences.

[SGMD1]

Originally Posted by BLKMAZDA

IF OBAMA DID THIS IT WOULD BE HORRIBLE FOR THE USA ACCORDING TO REPUBLICANS. Obama didnt want what Bush is planning. And republicans only want us now to think of the positve, where were they when obama was in, and all they could do is speak of negatives.......now why all of the suden they dont want to hear the negatives of what they are doing

see what I did there

[War Machine]

You know, one of the reasons the Roman Empire fell was it got too big for it's britches and couldn't sustain itself.

Just sayin'

[Stizzel]

Originally Posted by BLKMAZDA

i agree with u there are no positives in there thinking. I hope you didnt think i was for obama mindset. Im completely oppose to him....but they want us to only think the postives. Im like well. Where in the heck were u in the bush term......? Practice what u preach democrats.

Well, Obama's approval ratings seem to be plummeting so it seems to me that the left is thankfully a lot quicker to admit they were wrong than the right was with Bush.

Originally Posted by War Machine

You know, one of the reasons the [INSERT EMPIRE HERE] fell was it got too big for it's britches and couldn't sustain itself.

Just sayin'

True, but we can't reduce the size of our empire! What are you, an isolationist?

[Stizzel]

Originally Posted by BLKMAZDA

well im not saying bush did everything right, there was problems in his adminstration, just like the clintons. But the decisions obama is making iis complete diff. Heading us down a road where dictatorship is ok....and its not. Doesnt work. I mean obama cant keep blaming bush for whats goin on now. Obama has spent more money in 6month then any president b4 combined and is still blaming bush....well mr obama what about the 2 millions jobs lost in june. I thought that the stimulus bill would create millions of jobs...it didnt......

Bush made it very clear that the executive branch is a dictatorship, Obama is just expanding on Bush's expansion

[Stizzel]

Originally Posted by BLKMAZDA

ok give me the quote or speech that he stated that. If he did he was wrong. Im not excusing bush but obama is wrong. And dictator ship isnt what america is about. And if bush said that i would completely disagree with him and raise up as much hell as i do about obama

I'm not going to search for a quote, but at one point congress was threatening to repeal the patriot act, and Bush told them if he did he would just have it enforced anyway.

Of course there are all of Bush's executive orders also.

[jmonty]

Originally Posted by maurer

government wishes the constitution didn't exist. constitution gives power to the people. people don't give a ****, therefore government does whatever it wants.

aye

[comore07]

Originally Posted by BLKMAZDA

nope not going to suck it up. Why should the govt tell me that i need insurance...why do they think its there job to tell me if in need it or not. Its not there job. Just another thing they can control. Leads to dictatorship. If you see in history that what germany, russian , china and n. Korea have done. Do you want that, to have a govt tell you what you can do and cant. These might seem little now, but first its the little things, then next the big ones. Are you willing to fight for ur freedom. I guess not. Ur a pansy.

for the same reason they tell you that you need car insurance. it's just on another level.stop complaining pussy its all good this is all for the best.

[Melkor]

Originally Posted by ElMariachi

And down and down we go.

Tough but fair.

"I can't afford your insurance!"

"No problem, just pay us $1,000 per year instead."

Government, it's just plumb full of great ideas.

[OatsandSteak]

I've never had a problem with the Health-care here, because I never use it, my girlfriend on the other hand...

[leafs43]

Originally Posted by War Machine

You know, one of the reasons the Roman Empire fell was it got too big for it's britches and couldn't sustain itself.

Just sayin'

The major turning point in the Roman Empire and the decline was the result of the Caesar, forget which one, making everyone in Roman territory roman citizens. It was simply for tax purposes because of the bread and circus politics that was occurring.



Boy, that sounds kinda like the US's immigration problem and where it is heading....

[War Machine]

Originally Posted by leafs43

The major turning point in the Roman Empire and the decline was the result of the Caesar, forget which one, making everyone in Roman territory roman citizens. It was simply for tax purposes because of the bread and circus politics that was occurring.
Boy, that sounds kinda like the US's immigration problem and where it is heading....

Basically.

There were several factors of the fall, they can't really agree what the "bid one" was or even when the fall was...there are estimates ranging over 200 years.

My previous post was more of a fleeting thought than a clear statement.

My thought process was along the lines of them getting too complex. They would encounter a problem and add a new infrastructure or bureaucracy. That new addition would apparently solve the issue short term, but needed to be sustained which cost a resource. If the resource got low in supply, a new infrastructure or bureaucracy was added and the cycle continued. The layers of the house of cards continue to rise.

Eventually a point is reached were it can no longer be sustained and the whole thing falls.

Where your statement comes in is the rules changed to increase tax revenue to pay for stuff.

My point is the US is taking the same path, the answer is to create a new organization for oversight and throw money at the problem. It may help a bit short term and make people feel good, but that needs to be maintained. People are about taxed to death. They are going up. The economy is stagnant and people are losing jobs. And trillions are being spent to "help". Trillions we don't have and are either printing or borrowing. You can't spend more than you have and expect to sustainable success.

All of the bureaucracy that started in the 20th century will eventually break us (in more ways than one). These new plans may be the final nail.

[texlonghornz2]

Originally Posted by comore07

suck it up and get insurance this is actually a good thing. no matter how healthy, strong as a horse you are. you are bound to end up in the hospital any day of the week. the out of pocket expenses won't be pretty ( i got ****ing charged 4000 for a catscan and some piss test) so stop complaining about petty **** like this just to find fault in obama.

Maybe you are ignorant to the fact that this is an intrusion of our lives. What you dont understand is that we don't want socialized healthcare (yaya its not "socialized" but crowding out will take effect and all that will be left is the gov'ts plan). You must know that this is not how to fix our problems. Government has never fixed a problem fully, it has somewhat helped, but not fixed. It creates more problems than it fixes, the bureaucracy and politics and favors that occur is ridiculous. WE AS A PEOPLE MUST CHOOSE A SMALLER GOVERNMENT, we must tell our politicians that we dont want a big government we want a small gov't. We can fix our problems, gov't helps sometimes but economies of scale does not pertain to government the bigger it gets the more wasteful and pathetic of a job it does.

[War Machine]

Originally Posted by comore07

for the same reason they tell you that you need car insurance. it's just on another level.

Could you elaborate on this position?