Any of my fellow trainers agree with this?

[theapexxxx]

A client sent me an email which had a link to this report or whatever you want to call it. I want to know how many of you agree with what is being said in it.

http://www.kdvr.com/lifestyle/holida...,1720371.story

I on the other hand completely disagree and think its a load of crock.

[xxsupergman25xx]

i hkinda agree with some.

situps put a lot of strain on ur back. i usually never give these...situps on the ball are better IMO

squats with weight...yes...coudl add bulk..i do give these to fems though.


i dont ever recommend anything behind the head due to the shoulder problems it could cause.

i do give standing leg deadlifts..

[Simmo0508]

Don't agree with anything the article says. For one, it's sounds like it's been written by a total noob.

Those 5 given exercises are fine, granted the said client has no pre-existing conditions and/or injuries at the time. Proper form is paramount, and all 5 exercises are effective granted they're performed properly. It's an individual by individual thing. I hateee people who go around spreading claims that are "absolute" in delivery, yet not knowing anything about the person they're speaking or referring to lol

The only thing i agree with was not having your hands behind your head for a situp, but that's pretty much nothing new. Like wow man, big discovery.. :P

Also sounds like the person who wrote it is just purely taking advantage of the common myths that "weights bulkk u upp!!~" that women already adopt anyway.

A good trainer knows that having a client improve in the weights room constantly is important for maintaining and building lean body mass. A good trainer explains to their female clients that weight training isn't gonna bulk them up to an Arnold Schwarzenegger, and explains the role of testosterone and growth potential and the differences between men and women. A good trainer explains the role muscle has within the body in terms of increased metabolism at rest etc. A good trainer explains other variables such as nutrition and other compenents of one's exercise programs and lifestyle and how things correlate.

Ugh, people who write those sorts of articles set back this industry years and years. Honestly. It's just myth pushing, pure and simple.

Instead try: Lunges, which "don't place nearly as much stress on the lower back and distribute the workout throughout the entire leg,"

So does a squat you silly twat. And if the lower back is being stressed too much, then the exercise isn't being performed properly in the first place.

Don't do standing dead lifts. Since women are typically more flexible than men and can bend down farther, it puts even greater stress on their legs and lower back. It also results in bulky back, leg and rear-end muscles.

Yeah, because totally ignoring lower back and hamstring strength is so much smarter. Let's just ignore some muscle groups and have muscular imbalances instead.

Silly twat. Sounds like the woman's afraid of people working hard or somethin.

Don't do standing dead lifts. Since women are typically more flexible than men and can bend down farther, it puts even greater stress on their legs and lower back. It also results in bulky back, leg and rear-end muscles.

Instead try: Leg kick-backs. Facing a wall, stabilize yourself with your arms and kick your right leg back as far as you can. Repeat 10 times, then do the same with your left leg. Try two sets.

... so instead of looking for a replacement exercise that also works the hamstrings and the lower back, you choose an exercise that focuses on the glutes? You're a great trainer!

*pukes*


Hope the bitch reads that one day :P

[Paul_Rockey]

No squats or deadlifts? I make my girlfriend do them all the time! I want her to have an ass and a pair of legs like Cammy from Street Fighter 4! Lol.

That article is bollicks.

[askthetrainer]

I agree with Simmo0508

It is an amateur article. I personally can't stand when personal trainers write articles based off their personal workouts, which is what I think this one is.

It is totally based on the individual.

Most exercise selection or de-selection is based on the client's particular strengths and weakness including their posture and muscle balance.

Sit-ups are often bad for women because women tend to have a bigger ass than men coupled with a pronounced anterior pelvic tilt

Things I would agree on, "not behind the neck shoulder press for women" OMG I've seen some women do dumbbell shoulder press and their arms are like a foot behind the head, like if a guy did it both shoulder's would be dislocated.

[Mr_Kinney]

Being from Denver and having worked with FOX in the past I can tell you that they really don't do enough research.

[rnaco]

Clearly written by someone who doesn't know the subject matter. I would however agree with the situps and behind the neck presses.

[badrymz]

You can tell that this trainer has little to no education. It makes me mad that just about anyone who wants to be a trainer pretty much can be with no background at all.

[Environ]

I got as far as the title - 5 exercise women shouldn't do and knew at that stage that it was crap. ANYBODY can get hurt if they use poor technique. If somebody gets hurt using poor form, it's not because it's a bad exercise, but because it's not being done correctly.

Women shouldn't do squats????? What if she is recovering from or trying to prevent osteoporosis? Or straight leg deadlifts (again with these she is talking about poor technique)? Check out the top Figure and Physique entrants in any competition. You can bet your life they do squats and SLDL's.

[DoItUp]

I completely agree w/ Simmo

The only thing that she says in the artical that I partially agree w/ is the behind the shoulder presses. And the danger with that greatly depends on the person performing the exercise and their strength that their shoulder girdle has.

-I love how she says dont do squats or Deads because they build too much bulk.

Ever since I started seriously training my gf almost one year ago, all of her friends are askign how she got such strong and (i hate this word) "toned" legs and such a big ass. And it almost all has to do with squats and deads.

But of course you can listen to the girl in the article who seems like she is one of those people who say "women shouldn't lift to much because they will get bulky"

[KyleAaron]

It's another article with the Girl Strength Paradox.

"Girls can't get strong, and they shouldn't get strong."

If they can't do it, it doesn't matter what they should or shouldn't do. They just can't.

The truth is that they can get pretty strong - much stronger than average sedentary person of either gender. But some people, male and female both, are not comfortable with that. This drongo is obviously one of them.

[hamrogers]

Yes, that tragically huge lumbar from doing too many dead lifts. This is why Homer Simpson has that big round back opposite his gut...too many dead lifts, please, don't repeat his mistake.

[geoff.lu]

"Don't do straight leg push-ups. Push-ups often are the culprit of neck, lower back, elbow and shoulder pain."..... lol...

don't do (insert exercise here). (insert exercise here) often are the culprit of (insert all the muscle group it works) pain.

[josephinedalton]

Originally Posted by theapexxxx

A client sent me an email which had a link to this report or whatever you want to call it. I want to know how many of you agree with what is being said in it.

http://www.kdvr.com/lifestyle/holida...,1720371.story

I on the other hand completely disagree and think its a load of crock.

I read it; I think some of it is true for the general population. but to say certain exercises should be avoided is hogwash. She recommends not to do certain exercises because they bulk up legs; most good trainers know that it's not necessarily the exercise, but more the weigh, reps and intensity while executing the exercise. I can train ANY woman with squats using an olympic bar and her glutes won't necessarily get huge. What's wrong with huge glutes anyways ! ! ! A firm gluteal package creates a great butt ! ! ! Unless you think sticks are hot... and if that is the case, the woman should be spending most of the day with her finger down the back of her throat

To say situps are bad because people pull on their necks but recommend bicycle crunches instead... um hello, people will pull on their necks there too ! Situps aren't necessary to build core strenght, but her rationale is ridiculous. I agree you can train abs and core without situps, but they are a great change up in a core routine if the exerciser is strong enough.

Behind neck presses, I agree with her.

SHe says "Push-ups often are the culprit of neck, lower back, elbow and shoulder pain." and to do pushups on your knees instead. This rationale can be argued as absurd by those with good grasp of biomechanics. Pushups on knees is the same movement as pushups on toes; the only difference is the amount of load on the chest & core. Generally women are not strong enough to do pushups on their toes...nor knees ! A 5'5'' woman with average ratio of torso to leg length, weighing roughly 135 lbs; load on chest doing pushups on toes/knees is roughly 100 lbs and 75 lbs respectively. Most women can't even do 1 pushup at that weight on their knees ! Most women I know can't even bench press just the bar ! A better recommendation would have been to start training for pushups using a theraball placed below the hips or on their knees with their bodies adjusted to bring the load closer to the fulcrum (if you don't know what this is, you really should hit the books again)

"Don't do standing dead lifts. Since women are typically more flexible than men and can bend down farther, it puts even greater stress on their legs and lower back.It also results in bulky back, leg and rear-end muscles.
Instead try: Leg kick-backs.

If done properly, deadlifts are great for helping strengthen the many hip stabilizing muscles as well as tone glutes... again, the amount of weight is the issue here, not the exercise.


Just my professional opinion. She's not entirely wrong, but as a personal trainer, I wouldn't recommend her to any clients after that writeup

[dance2trance]

I completely disagree with the article but its not 100% wrong.

The issue isn't simple. Women generally have more levels of the relaxin hormone than men. Relaxin and Oestrogen levels tend to go through a monthly cycle as most of you know. However, these hormones promote ligament LAXITY which means less support at joints, therefore with resistance training there is an increased risk of ligament and joint injuries for women. Women also have more relaxin receptors in their ligaments i believe although I have to find the articles to support it.

Situps is an exercise primarily involving hip flexion therefore targeting psoas major, a hip flexor. Rectus Abdominus is actually a trunk flexor. There has to be isometric/concentric trunk flexion in order to do a situp otherwise the effect of upper body weight going down and gravity will be very tough for psoas major to overcome. The situp action produces shear forces at the lumbar spine which can be further compounded by 'looser' joints due to high relaxin levels and/or high amount of relaxin receptors in the ligaments supporting the lumbar spine. Therefore, situps can cause lower back pain, promotes disc bulges etc, particularly in women. Crunches are safer for the lumbar spine and target rectus abdominus.

The argument about squats vs lunges in the article had little to do with safety.

In regards to deadlifts, this has to do with hormone levels. However with controlled and good form and weight that can be properly managed, this minimises risks of injury as you all know.

In other words, risk of injury changes throughout 1 month in men and women. "Avoiding" movements which are truly unsafe is wise, but with good form and not lifting beyond your current capability, injuries can be avoided.

[DaBurg3r]

she said don't squat.

Short of claiming she was drunk at the time of writing that article there's really not much that could be done to reclaim any credibility.

[bigfrog]

Originally Posted by Simmo0508

Don't agree with anything the article says. For one, it's sounds like it's been written by a total noob.

Those 5 given exercises are fine, granted the said client has no pre-existing conditions and/or injuries at the time. Proper form is paramount, and all 5 exercises are effective granted they're performed properly. It's an individual by individual thing. I hateee people who go around spreading claims that are "absolute" in delivery, yet not knowing anything about the person they're speaking or referring to lol

The only thing i agree with was not having your hands behind your head for a situp, but that's pretty much nothing new. Like wow man, big discovery.. :P

Also sounds like the person who wrote it is just purely taking advantage of the common myths that "weights bulkk u upp!!~" that women already adopt anyway.

A good trainer knows that having a client improve in the weights room constantly is important for maintaining and building lean body mass. A good trainer explains to their female clients that weight training isn't gonna bulk them up to an Arnold Schwarzenegger, and explains the role of testosterone and growth potential and the differences between men and women. A good trainer explains the role muscle has within the body in terms of increased metabolism at rest etc. A good trainer explains other variables such as nutrition and other compenents of one's exercise programs and lifestyle and how things correlate.

Ugh, people who write those sorts of articles set back this industry years and years. Honestly. It's just myth pushing, pure and simple.




So does a squat you silly twat. And if the lower back is being stressed too much, then the exercise isn't being performed properly in the first place.



Yeah, because totally ignoring lower back and hamstring strength is so much smarter. Let's just ignore some muscle groups and have muscular imbalances instead.

Silly twat. Sounds like the woman's afraid of people working hard or somethin.



... so instead of looking for a replacement exercise that also works the hamstrings and the lower back, you choose an exercise that focuses on the glutes? You're a great trainer!

*pukes*


Hope the bitch reads that one day :P

This........

[jkdman81]

All i gotta say about that is wtf!!!!!
Who is the stupid a$$hole that wrote that garbage....
Women can do the same exercises as men!!!! Yes it's true most
women dont want to bulk up but is dependent on the loads and reps used
not the exercises!!!!! Then he said crunch is more harmful than bicycles....
That's funny who ever wrote this article doesn't know a damn thing!!!!
Bicycle put tons of pressure on your neck and low back...
People should do their homework before they have a verbal vomit all over everyone....
That just my opinion though

[Emoore]

Regardless of whether women are or are not capable of "bulking up," am I the only one who thinks that everyone should be training basic human movement?

"don't deadlift"-- shouldn't women learn to pick their child up off the floor safely without throwing out their back?

"don't squat"-- do you want to be able to get off the toilet without assistance?

"don't do pushups" -- again, pushing something away with the arms is a basic human movement pattern that everyone should be able to do, regardless of whether or not it might create a little --horrors!-- muscle in the arms.

[josephinedalton]

Just realized the article wasn't not written by Kristal Richardson. I wouldn't be surprised if the article was meant entirely for women just beginning a weight training program OR the person who actually wrote the article skipped out on alot when interviewing KR. KR is an IFBB pro and I would think she'd know better. I hope this article doesn't bring her discredit

[badrymz]

The article says "If you hate sit-ups, you're in luck. They're one of the top-five exercises women should completely avoid, according to personal trainer Kristal Richardson"
Kristen may have not written it but it was her words. It was probably based on something her publicist wrote or whoever does her press releases. I've had a few tv appearances as a trainer and usually whatever my press release is, is what the news station puts on their site. Usually a modified version of it . So even though it might have not been penned by her, they are her ideas .

[josephinedalton]

Originally Posted by badrymz

The article says "If you hate sit-ups, you're in luck. They're one of the top-five exercises women should completely avoid, according to personal trainer Kristal Richardson"
Kristen may have not written it but it was her words. It was probably based on something her publicist wrote or whoever does her press releases. I've had a few tv appearances as a trainer and usually whatever my press release is, is what the news station puts on their site. Usually a modified version of it . So even though it might have not been penned by her, they are her ideas .

ugh ! ! But I have heard other trainers not recommend situps for the same reason, but only for clients new to exercise, those with weak cores or structural issues.. Although I don't train any of my clients with situps, I will gladly add it somewhere in the month if my client is advanced and whose core & back can handle it.

Meanwhile, I did a google and ran into a couple of sites where KR was slammed repeatedly for her suggestions... and by professionals with masters degree in biomechanics and doctors of orthopedics. what a way to make a name for oneself.

[FitMoney]

Originally Posted by Paul_Rockey

No squats or deadlifts? I make my girlfriend do them all the time! I want her to have an ass and a pair of legs like Cammy from Street Fighter 4! Lol.

That article is bollicks.

Is your girlfriend a cartoon too? haha!

[Macrobolic]

I can agree with 2 of them, the regular situps and the behind the neck press.

The situps can hurt the neck (duh, not new news here), and behind the neck presses can be rough on the rotator cuff if you don't have flexibility in the shoulder joint.

The other 3 are complete rubbish though. Pushups, cause yeah, you'll totally kill your back with a set of proper pushups. Don't do squats because it will build you butt and thighs? That's what women want to have happen! Yes you want to trim the fat, but last time I looked, weightlifting didn't add fat to a person's body. Don't deadlift. Only if you don't use proper form.

Argh, this article pissed me off now


Edit: one other thing, what is it that makes women's joints "looser" than men's. Unless you are talking about the hormone relaxin, which only is found in high quantities during pregnancy, then she's being an idiot.

[Jack_the_Repper]

Originally Posted by Simmo0508

Don't agree with anything the article says. For one, it's sounds like it's been written by a total noob.

Those 5 given exercises are fine, granted the said client has no pre-existing conditions and/or injuries at the time. Proper form is paramount, and all 5 exercises are effective granted they're performed properly. It's an individual by individual thing. I hateee people who go around spreading claims that are "absolute" in delivery, yet not knowing anything about the person they're speaking or referring to lol

The only thing i agree with was not having your hands behind your head for a situp, but that's pretty much nothing new. Like wow man, big discovery.. :P

Also sounds like the person who wrote it is just purely taking advantage of the common myths that "weights bulkk u upp!!~" that women already adopt anyway.

A good trainer knows that having a client improve in the weights room constantly is important for maintaining and building lean body mass. A good trainer explains to their female clients that weight training isn't gonna bulk them up to an Arnold Schwarzenegger, and explains the role of testosterone and growth potential and the differences between men and women. A good trainer explains the role muscle has within the body in terms of increased metabolism at rest etc. A good trainer explains other variables such as nutrition and other compenents of one's exercise programs and lifestyle and how things correlate.

Ugh, people who write those sorts of articles set back this industry years and years. Honestly. It's just myth pushing, pure and simple.




So does a squat you silly twat. And if the lower back is being stressed too much, then the exercise isn't being performed properly in the first place.



Yeah, because totally ignoring lower back and hamstring strength is so much smarter. Let's just ignore some muscle groups and have muscular imbalances instead.

Silly twat. Sounds like the woman's afraid of people working hard or somethin.



... so instead of looking for a replacement exercise that also works the hamstrings and the lower back, you choose an exercise that focuses on the glutes? You're a great trainer!

*pukes*


Hope the bitch reads that one day :P

Well said man, I agree with you 100%!

[josephinedalton]

Originally Posted by Simmo0508

Silly twat.
...
Hope the bitch reads that one day :P

That's some pretty harsh name calling. I mean, it's not she was offering exercise advice with bad form... Just oversafe with poorly concluded rationale. I mean, no woman
Is going to suffer endless pain & misery from taking this advice.

Reminds me back in the day when women were advised to be confined to very light duty or bedrest when pregnant because of the fear if miscarriage? Heaven forbid a lil bit of physical exertion!!!