Intrigued About what happens to the "Casual" AAS User.

[Superman Mk II]

Let me explain what i mean in more detail to avoid confusion.

And this is by no means what i plan to do, im far more educated in AAS than that, i myself have not done my first cycle of AAS yet, however i have seen this many many times in the various gyms i train at;

Firstly i am refering to those users, who will buy AAS by the jab, for example in the gym, a cheap purchase single jab, and use it pre workout, and they will take anything, they dont know what PCT is, they will simply take say, test 5 days a week, then the gym runs out, and they will use deca, or winstrol, no cycle structure atall, just what they can get there hands on, they will drink alcohol on cycle, all of this, and they still make good gains.

They will cycle for months, until they run out of money, or somewhere to buy, or perhaps they cant be arsed anymore, various different compounds, then no PCT.

I speak to these people, they seem fine, content, no negatives. I know a guy that has been on for 2 years without a break, various compounds, doesnt train legs, and is about 250lbs at a respectable bf%...

It makes me angry, they come in the gym, spent no time reaserching, have no knowledge, just take whatever AAS they can find, jab, and train in whatever way they like, and get rapid gains fast, and i just think, "arseholes"

My question, is what is this doing to them ? They gain strength and size, but what is actually going on inside them, and what does the future hold with this kind of abuse ?

Thanks.

[javin86]

It really depends. For the most part, they're just wasting their money running inefficient cycles. They probably suffer all sorts of different side effects from all the different compounds.

The ones that stay on for years, taking all sorts of different stuff and not know much about it are different though. They may or may not bounce back when they finally coome off. They may have a terrible lipid profile, and cardiovascular health.

Alot of people look and act fine when they're abusing steroids, but the truth can only be found in the blood tests.

[truhusker]

thats why theyre illegal.. this is a clear representation of AAS abuse which can cause and the main reason for all the bad side effects that are known in the medical community.

anyone see that british movie where this guy is in some street gang, really gory, and theres a part in the beginning where he's talking about his usage : " Deca, winstrol, sustanon... anything I can get my hands on..... packing on muscle.." . and then it goes to him eating jars of baby food with a spoon?

This reminds me of that. A real idiot.

[partsRheavy]

You have got to be frackin' kidding.

A lot of cops work out in gyms here in the U.S., at least in the smaller towns. I think some of them use PH's but if they're honest about their role in law enforcement, they use the legal stuff.

My gym doesn't even sell whey or creatine or shakes. Whazzup with your crazy gym??!! I can understand a smoothie bar in a gym but what you reported in your post sounds insane/outrageous like what was reported 25 years ago before AAS was outlawed.

Are you sure you know what you're talking about, or are you just making stories?

With cops around and working out in gyms, no one dares to broach the subject! Believe me, the cops are there to stay in shape for their job. That's all they are doing. They're not doing anything undercover. They are just working out to stay in shape so they can keep their jobs.

Nevertheless, they are police officers, and they are present in almost every gym I've been to here in the U.S.

You don't dare talk about breakin' da law in a place that cops frequent, if you know what I mean.

Most in my gym are 100% natural, and the few who are "enhanced" probably use PH's that are legal.

No one discusses AAS openly. In larger towns, people might discuss it vaguely as in "you making good gains lately?" but still not openly.

I realize that personal possession is legal in the UK. That's the big difference there. It's a shame that people are using irresponsibly.

Since personal possession is legal in the location where you are situated, you have the responsibility to help educate your buddies who are being irresponsible in their use, about proper cycles.

We really can't do that here in the U.S. because it's completely illegal here, and we really can't discuss it except on the internetz.

Originally Posted by Superman Mk II

Let me explain what i mean in more detail to avoid confusion.

And this is by no means what i plan to do, im far more educated in AAS than that, i myself have not done my first cycle of AAS yet, however i have seen this many many times in the various gyms i train at;

Firstly i am refering to those users, who will buy AAS by the jab, for example in the gym, a cheap purchase single jab, and use it pre workout, and they will take anything, they dont know what PCT is, they will simply take say, test 5 days a week, then the gym runs out, and they will use deca, or winstrol, no cycle structure atall, just what they can get there hands on, they will drink alcohol on cycle, all of this, and they still make good gains.

They will cycle for months, until they run out of money, or somewhere to buy, or perhaps they cant be arsed anymore, various different compounds, then no PCT.

I speak to these people, they seem fine, content, no negatives. I know a guy that has been on for 2 years without a break, various compounds, doesnt train legs, and is about 250lbs at a respectable bf%...

It makes me angry, they come in the gym, spent no time reaserching, have no knowledge, just take whatever AAS they can find, jab, and train in whatever way they like, and get rapid gains fast, and i just think, "arseholes"

My question, is what is this doing to them ? They gain strength and size, but what is actually going on inside them, and what does the future hold with this kind of abuse ?

Thanks.

[beaucephus]

Originally Posted by partsRheavy

You have got to be frackin' kidding.

A lot of cops work out in gyms here in the U.S., at least in the smaller towns. I think some of them use PH's but if they're honest about their role in law enforcement, they use the legal stuff.

My gym doesn't even sell whey or creatine or shakes. Whazzup with your crazy gym??!! I can understand a smoothie bar in a gym but what you reported in your post sounds insane/outrageous like what was reported 25 years ago before AAS was outlawed.

Are you sure you know what you're talking about, or are you just making stories?

With cops around and working out in gyms, no one dares to broach the subject! Believe me, the cops are there to stay in shape for their job. That's all they are doing. Nevertheless, they are police officers, and they are present in almost every gym I've been to here in the U.S.

You don't dare talk about breakin' da law in a place that cops frequent, if you know what I mean.

Most in my gym are 100% natural, and the few who are "enhanced" probably use PH's that are legal.

No one discusses AAS openly. In larger towns, people might discuss it vaguely as in "you making good gains lately?" but still not openly.

I realize that personal possession is legal in the UK. That's the big difference there. It's a shame that people are using irresponsibly.

Since personal possession is legal in the location where you are situated, you have the responsibility to help educate your buddies who are being irresponsible in their use, about proper cycles.

We really can't do that here in the U.S. because it's completely illegal here, and we really can't discuss it except on the internetz.

I hate to be the one to tell you, but cops make the best sources. The cops that I know (and the one I buy from) all see AAS and the lifestyle as civil disobediance. No we don't go around talking about it in the locker rooms, but thats simply because its written in a book that its illegal, it has nothing to do with morality.

[debrovnik]

A lot of guys in my gym just take what ever they can - similar to what the OP said, I saw two guy come out of the single toilet in the gym today when I was waiting for a piss - in the open bin next to the toilet was a syringe, needle and amp... almost defies belief

Spoke to the guy, he just wanted a shot before he started training - idiot

Not as funny as the guy in the gym who was told by his dealer to take 8 amps of Sus per month... on day 1 of his cycle his shot 8 amps... waited a month... repeated

To funny / stupid.

[GivemeSIX]

Originally Posted by debrovnik

A lot of guys in my gym just take what ever they can - similar to what the OP said, I saw two guy come out of the single toilet in the gym today when I was waiting for a piss - in the open bin next to the toilet was a syringe, needle and amp... almost defies belief

Spoke to the guy, he just wanted a shot before he started training - idiot

Not as funny as the guy in the gym who was told by his dealer to take 8 amps of Sus per month... on day 1 of his cycle his shot 8 amps... waited a month... repeated

To funny / stupid.

I don't believe you... 8 amps. no effin way. wouldn't that be 8ccs in one day haha.

[beaucephus]

Originally Posted by GivemeSIX

I don't believe you... 8 amps. no effin way. wouldn't that be 8ccs in one day haha.

that's 2gms in a single shot. Wouldn't kill you, but damn! I'd be yelling at nuns!

[debrovnik]

Originally Posted by GivemeSIX

I don't believe you... 8 amps. no effin way. wouldn't that be 8ccs in one day haha.

I absolutely swear this is true.

I was astounded.

[Superman Mk II]

Originally Posted by partsRheavy

You have got to be frackin' kidding.

A lot of cops work out in gyms here in the U.S., at least in the smaller towns. I think some of them use PH's but if they're honest about their role in law enforcement, they use the legal stuff.

My gym doesn't even sell whey or creatine or shakes. Whazzup with your crazy gym??!! I can understand a smoothie bar in a gym but what you reported in your post sounds insane/outrageous like what was reported 25 years ago before AAS was outlawed.

Are you sure you know what you're talking about, or are you just making stories?

With cops around and working out in gyms, no one dares to broach the subject! Believe me, the cops are there to stay in shape for their job. That's all they are doing. They're not doing anything undercover. They are just working out to stay in shape so they can keep their jobs.

Nevertheless, they are police officers, and they are present in almost every gym I've been to here in the U.S.

You don't dare talk about breakin' da law in a place that cops frequent, if you know what I mean.

Most in my gym are 100% natural, and the few who are "enhanced" probably use PH's that are legal.

No one discusses AAS openly. In larger towns, people might discuss it vaguely as in "you making good gains lately?" but still not openly.

I realize that personal possession is legal in the UK. That's the big difference there. It's a shame that people are using irresponsibly.

Since personal possession is legal in the location where you are situated, you have the responsibility to help educate your buddies who are being irresponsible in their use, about proper cycles.

We really can't do that here in the U.S. because it's completely illegal here, and we really can't discuss it except on the internetz.

Lol nice lecture, and no i am not making stories what could i possibly gain by spreading lies on an internet forum ?
Every gym i have been to sells steroids, you would be surprised. The loophole in the UK means that you can buy an apple from the guy in the gym, a very expensive overpriced apple. Then he will give you steroids free of charge. If you get my drift ?
And the people i mention are not "buddies" but people i know, the very fact they will inject/injest themselfs with a compound they have not reaserched, is enough infomation for me to decide whatever i tell them will go in one ear, out the other.
And btw PH's Are basicly steroids.

[partsRheavy]

Most cops detest civil disobedience. They truly believe in the "system."

They are all too eager to participate in activities where they overreach their power, like traffic checkpoints where every single car on a road is stopped and asked for license and registration.

By the way, I've noticed a lot _fewer_ checkpoints this year than last year. Thank God.

Maybe we're slowly returning to a sense of civil liberties here in the U.S. of A.

Change starts at the political level. Cops are exactly correct when they say they don't make the laws, they only enforce them.

Nevertheless, they are very happy to enforce the laws and usually they believe the laws are correct, even if they aren't. The system reinforces their income, i.e. they have a vested interest in more and stricter laws, i.e. against AAS.

The more laws there are to enforce, the more cops are needed and the more prison guards are needed. More income for more cops! The "system" works well for them, so they support the system!

You are putting your liberty at very serious risk even discussing, much less actually transacting anything concerning AAS, with a cop. I say this out of concern for your freedom. You need to protect your own freedom, and don't discuss anything of the sort with cops.

I'm natural, but I believe it's people's right to use AAS if they wish to, as was legal before 1991. However, I definitely don't discuss my opinion on this matter openly around a gym, especially not around cops!!!!!!

I certainly don't mind working out in a gym where cops work out ---- they are often some of the better and more dedicated lifters. I believe that some use PH's, while others lift naturally. However, because my views on civil liberties differ very markedly from theirs, I don't chat or interact with them.

I realize there are a few dissident cops. However, they are few and far between IMHO. It really isn't in their interest to participate in "civil disobedience."

They are cogs in the system.

Originally Posted by beaucephus

I hate to be the one to tell you, but cops make the best sources. The cops that I know (and the one I buy from) all see AAS and the lifestyle as civil disobediance. No we don't go around talking about it in the locker rooms, but thats simply because its written in a book that its illegal, it has nothing to do with morality.

[Superman Mk II]

Originally Posted by debrovnik

A lot of guys in my gym just take what ever they can - similar to what the OP said, I saw two guy come out of the single toilet in the gym today when I was waiting for a piss - in the open bin next to the toilet was a syringe, needle and amp... almost defies belief

Spoke to the guy, he just wanted a shot before he started training - idiot

Not as funny as the guy in the gym who was told by his dealer to take 8 amps of Sus per month... on day 1 of his cycle his shot 8 amps... waited a month... repeated

To funny / stupid.

To the text in bold, i lold hard.

The guy i know thats been on for two years, has just turned 18, and never trained legs, never cycled off, and never done pct, or any supports, drinks on cycle.
His next move is to buy growth hormone, in the hope he can get his legs big without working them....serious.
He is a friend, of a friend, met him only once for about 5 mins (duration of aas convo) i didnt know what to advise him, given the extreeme cycle at such a tender age, other than get your ass to a doctor asap, he just lold and said he can handle it. shame.

[partsRheavy]

In Japan??!!??

I find this very hard to believe.

Originally Posted by debrovnik

A lot of guys in my gym just take what ever they can - similar to what the OP said, I saw two guy come out of the single toilet in the gym today when I was waiting for a piss - in the open bin next to the toilet was a syringe, needle and amp... almost defies belief

Spoke to the guy, he just wanted a shot before he started training - idiot

Not as funny as the guy in the gym who was told by his dealer to take 8 amps of Sus per month... on day 1 of his cycle his shot 8 amps... waited a month... repeated

To funny / stupid.

[yeoldeste]

dude, i have a mate exactly like that!!!!!!!

He started 6 weeks ago and has ran with what he can get. Tren, deca, test e sust, lol he's just doing it until he get's ''huge''.

[yeoldeste]

Originally Posted by partsRheavy

You have got to be frackin' kidding.

A lot of cops work out in gyms here in the U.S., at least in the smaller towns. I think some of them use PH's but if they're honest about their role in law enforcement, they use the legal stuff.

My gym doesn't even sell whey or creatine or shakes. Whazzup with your crazy gym??!! I can understand a smoothie bar in a gym but what you reported in your post sounds insane/outrageous like what was reported 25 years ago before AAS was outlawed.

Are you sure you know what you're talking about, or are you just making stories?

With cops around and working out in gyms, no one dares to broach the subject! Believe me, the cops are there to stay in shape for their job. That's all they are doing. They're not doing anything undercover. They are just working out to stay in shape so they can keep their jobs.

Nevertheless, they are police officers, and they are present in almost every gym I've been to here in the U.S.

You don't dare talk about breakin' da law in a place that cops frequent, if you know what I mean.

Most in my gym are 100% natural, and the few who are "enhanced" probably use PH's that are legal.

No one discusses AAS openly. In larger towns, people might discuss it vaguely as in "you making good gains lately?" but still not openly.

I realize that personal possession is legal in the UK. That's the big difference there. It's a shame that people are using irresponsibly.

Since personal possession is legal in the location where you are situated, you have the responsibility to help educate your buddies who are being irresponsible in their use, about proper cycles.

We really can't do that here in the U.S. because it's completely illegal here, and we really can't discuss it except on the internetz.

They're legal here in the uk so it's much more open and they're very easy to obtain. You can go to needle exchange places and if you're using gear they'll give you leaflets on the roids and they're profile etc.

[yeoldeste]

in terms of what will happen to them?

people respond differently

most likely poor lipid profile, so poor cardio health and a ****ed up endocrine system

[glenn08]

Originally Posted by truhusker

thats why theyre illegal.. this is a clear representation of AAS abuse which can cause and the main reason for all the bad side effects that are known in the medical community.

anyone see that british movie where this guy is in some street gang, really gory, and theres a part in the beginning where he's talking about his usage : " Deca, winstrol, sustanon... anything I can get my hands on..... packing on muscle.." . and then it goes to him eating jars of baby food with a spoon?

This reminds me of that. A real idiot.

Rise of the Footsoldiers...class film but terrible influence for anyone uninformed kids lookin at him injectin an talkin about this that and the other...

[need4weed]

relax dudes, this is just evolution at work.

the dude that wasnt smart enough to research the powerfull and dangerous hormones hes abt to use, isnt going to have kids and pass his stupid genes to the next generation.

[yeoldeste]

Originally Posted by need4weed

relax dudes, this is just evolution at work.

the dude that wasnt smart enough to research the powerfull and dangerous hormones hes abt to use, isnt going to have kids and pass his stupid genes to the next generation.

lol

im gonna intervene and get my mate to use HCG when he's done to bring his balls back

[need4weed]

Originally Posted by yeoldeste

lol

im gonna intervene and get my mate to use HCG when he's done to bring his balls back

hmm

apparently your friend had good genes in the "making friends with smart people" department

save his ass, and try to educate him!

[yeoldeste]

Originally Posted by need4weed

hmm

apparently your friend had good genes in the "making friends with smart people" department

save his ass, and try to educate him!

I've tryed I've told him to get clomid and if he's going to cruise to use HCG throughout cycle and get some BP and lipid support supps but it's exactly like someone said above it just goes in one ear out the other.

[IwillBaMonster]

partsRheavy> Are YOU kidding man? Well it must be a hell in the US.. I'm from Europe, and wel.. at least to gyms where I've been - guys actually talk about AAS all the time openly, bring up their vials to show, discuss, everybody is injecting everybody, it's actually not that uncommon to come into a gym and see when some of the doors open and there are a few guys pinning each other. It's just so usual, that nobody gives a f.ck man.


And staying on for prolonged times means a simple thing - dependency on drugs. Like with all dependencies - the end result may vary. Though abusing anything statistically increases your chances to get some kind of problem. Maybe infertility, maybe accelerated gonodotropism (or how is that called), maybe f.cked up endocrine system, maybe psychological issues (a lot of ppl that abuse are f.cked up in the head from the start..)..

[indicaclan]

Originally Posted by beaucephus

I hate to be the one to tell you, but cops make the best sources. The cops that I know (and the one I buy from) all see AAS and the lifestyle as civil disobediance. No we don't go around talking about it in the locker rooms, but thats simply because its written in a book that its illegal, it has nothing to do with morality.

Agreed, although there is no rampant injections/usage/other **** going on INSIDE of my home gym, there is a ton of talk going on. People aren't afraid to ask you if/what you are on and where they can get some. There are also a ton of cops in my gym on the reg, and many of them are involved in distribution and other stretches of their power. I guess everything's a bit different on the Jersey shore...

[debrovnik]

Originally Posted by partsRheavy

In Japan??!!??

I find this very hard to believe.

I'm not from Japan... Europe where the drugs come cheap and easy

I'm personally not a user but I'd guess that 90+ % of the guys in my gym are - AAS are so readily available that pretty much every moron who lifts cycles gear.

Now don't make the mistake of thinking that that means that these guys are big, HELL NO!

These guys will shoot 1g of test e & 1/2g of deca for say 4 weeks untill they run out, then switch to maybe 75mg dbol / day for another 4 weeks, then shoot some prop for a bit -all the time eating like crap and training pathetically.

One guy told me last week he can't wait to move out of his mum's flat so he can live off burgers and chips and get massive. What the **** do you tell these people? Sometimes I'm tempted to try and explain what they're doing wrong but really, am I going to get any where?

When you give people with an IQ of 12 free access to AAS, they treat them pretty much the same as creatine. Why would you sweat it out in the gym for years when you can get jacked overnight? "Gimme the Dbolz brah!"

I do find it quite amusing when they get to about 5 weeks post cycle and they're covered in spots, still totally shut down pushing less weight than when they started - what do you think they do? That's right, straight back to buy some more.

[yeoldeste]

Originally Posted by debrovnik

One guy told me last week he can't wait to move out of his mum's flat so he can live off burgers and chips and get massive.

The guys going to have a heart attack.

[Superman Mk II]

Lol, thanks for all the replies everyone.

[markwhitehouse]

there is some funny stuff going on all over the place. im from the uk also. see and hear of it all the time.

[3kgtjunkie]

Originally Posted by beaucephus

I hate to be the one to tell you, but cops make the best sources. The cops that I know (and the one I buy from) all see AAS and the lifestyle as civil disobediance. No we don't go around talking about it in the locker rooms, but thats simply because its written in a book that its illegal, it has nothing to do with morality.

this. i know over 5 cops who use PH's.

[DaBurg3r]

I've never heard of anyone doing some of the things you described in your post.

[Mr_Infuriated]

I hear about it happening a lot in Australia, there is a lot of 'broscience' surrounding AAS and PCT. I know a guy stacking sus250, deca and dbol at 18 who used an over the counter test booster for PCT. The reality is most of these guys dont get bloodwork so even if something is wrong they probably wouldnt even realise and as they say 'ignorance is bliss'