A bench press observation

Originally Posted by plmb1

Well........lets put it this way..............every time I see him I want to ask "hey man, is that your legs or are you riding a chicken?"

I don't like to be mean/disrespectful to anyone but this guy really, really ask for it.

I would not spot him.

[kdza]

Originally Posted by thruxton

and spotting a squat??? that's way too kama sutra for my tastes, just use the catch bars.

LOL! That made me remember these two guys at my old gym. From behind, it was hilarious. The squatter and spotter were damn close to each other, moving in sync, while the squatter yells out these porno style grunts, the spotter endlessly repeats, "oh yeah...yeah, there it is. oh yeah, come on..." We were all trying not to lose it! Even the girl working there walked by, did a double take and looked at them like, wtf.

[230plus]

Originally Posted by chodan9

I have always considered full stop deads cheating LOL
but I probably dont go as heavy as many of you guys.
The touch and go "it seems to me" would give the back more time under tension than to reset every rep. I would have a hard time calling it a "set" if the reps are interrupted each time.
As has been said, I guess either way is correct based on what your going for at the time.
Just goes to show you that even after 3 years I still have a lot to learn.
I may try em that way soon.

Don't feel bad...I never knew it either.....

[ironwill2008]

Originally Posted by plmb1

Well........lets put it this way..............every time I see him I want to ask "hey man, is that your legs or are you riding a chicken?"

I don't like to be mean/disrespectful to anyone but this guy really, really ask for it.

ROFLMAO! I never would have guessed!

[plmb1]

Originally Posted by aneas

I would not spot him.

I would avoid him but it does not work. I'm gonna just come out and tell him that he does not need a spot because he's not doing anything and it's a waste of his time as well as mine. (I've been thinking about doing it anyway.......I just needed a nudge)

Like I said earlier....I don't/will not be mean or disrespectful to anyone unless they leave me no other choice.

You never know.......he may listen...... and do them correct (of course he would have to drop the weight WWWWAAAYYYY down). I've always figured he could squat maybe.....185 at best for a couple of reps or so if done correct. I'm not sure if anyone has ever told him or not. Most just try to avoid him.

I have made the mistake (I think most have) of trying to help someone with form etc..... that did not want help (usually bad mistake). I think I will try anyway.

I will let you know how it goes........... I should see him today or tomorrow......

[plmb1]

Originally Posted by ironwill2008

ROFLMAO! I never would have guessed!

yep.....its classic for sure.

aneas (indirectly) gave me the idea of talking with the fellow and see if I could help him so I would not have to spot him or atleast not waste my time spotting someone that is doing nothing.......will see.

[ironwill2008]

Originally Posted by plmb1

yep.....its classic for sure.

aneas (indirectly) gave me the idea of talking with the fellow and see if I could help him so I would not have to spot him or atleast not waste my time spotting someone that is doing nothing.......will see.

There's nothing wrong with leveling with the guy, the next time he bugs you for a "spot;" he's coming to you. I'd tell him I'm not going to spot him, because he's using way too much weight to squat properly, and I don't want him dumping it on me.

Originally Posted by plmb1

I would avoid him but it does not work. I'm gonna just come out and tell him that he does not need a spot because he's not doing anything and it's a waste of his time as well as mine. (I've been thinking about doing it anyway.......I just needed a nudge)

Like I said earlier....I don't/will not be mean or disrespectful to anyone unless they leave me no other choice.

You never know.......he may listen...... and do them correct (of course he would have to drop the weight WWWWAAAYYYY down). I've always figured he could squat maybe.....185 at best for a couple of reps or so if done correct. I'm not sure if anyone has ever told him or not. Most just try to avoid him.

I have made the mistake (I think most have) of trying to help someone with form etc..... that did not want help (usually bad mistake). I think I will try anyway.

I will let you know how it goes........... I should see him today or tomorrow......

If your going to go that route I would try I used to squat to the same depth as you which is a little white lie and my legs really didnt grow. I now do it like this show him and they have grown like crazy. If your quads look the part which I am sure they do it may just work.

If he gets pissy just say thats why your legs look like sheet.

[chodan9]

I just ask em. "you want to do some now where you go all the way down?"
or "how much can you do on full squats?"

[plmb1]

Originally Posted by plmb1

yep.....its classic for sure.

aneas (indirectly) gave me the idea of talking with the fellow and see if I could help him so I would not have to spot him or atleast not waste my time spotting someone that is doing nothing.......will see.

Ironwill, Aneas and Chodan..............I agree.......

thanks for the advice.........we will see what happens.

[BrotherWolf]

Originally Posted by chodan9

I have always considered full stop deads cheating LOL
but I probably dont go as heavy as many of you guys.
The touch and go "it seems to me" would give the back more time under tension than to reset every rep. I would have a hard time calling it a "set" if the reps are interrupted each time.
As has been said, I guess either way is correct based on what your going for at the time.
Just goes to show you that even after 3 years I still have a lot to learn.
I may try em that way soon.

It's actually the other way around , touch and go is not exactly cheating but it's not technically a "dead" lift ...

it's much easier to go for higher reps doing touch and go than to deload at every rep,

try !! do less reps add weight and deload at each rep

[BrotherWolf]

Originally Posted by kdza

LOL! That made me remember these two guys at my old gym. From behind, it was hilarious. The squatter and spotter were damn close to each other, moving in sync, while the squatter yells out these porno style grunts, the spotter endlessly repeats, "oh yeah...yeah, there it is. oh yeah, come on..." We were all trying not to lose it! Even the girl working there walked by, did a double take and looked at them like, wtf.

that's music to my ear.. there should be a planet fitness for people who lift heavy,
"no judgment zone" if you do partial squats,partial bench presses, seated military press , spend more than 10 minutes on a treadmill .. the lunk alarm goes off and you're out of there

PS
if you don't use plenty of chalk you get a warning

[thomasale]

Originally Posted by aneas

Correct. Cheat sets are a good way to get hurt. 1/4 rep squats not going to do much for your quads. IMO people train this way becuase their ego cant handle reality.

That is what it is all about!

[Oceanside]

years ago I put on my 5rm in the squat rack and tried some 1/4 to 1/3 rep's and I remember it sort of taxing the lower back a bit...

currently there's some idiot in the gym that setting the safetys so high that he's doing 5 inch reps with 495 and I'm quite sure he won't go paralell with 315 (I've seen him come close to parallel with 275 for 5 or 6)

I generally don't give a ratz ass what other people are doing in the gym, but when it's those guys that wear that sort of defensive macho attitude on their face, it's hard not to wonder what they'll try next....

I know I'm getting burnt out and need a break when I start taking too much notice to what's going on around me !

[blastertech70]

I normally ignore others lifters and try not to comment, but sometimes ya just really would like to say something specially when it just plain common sence.....

Yesterday I watched a guy go get his girlfriend off the treadmill to "spot" him while he was doing laydown dumbell press's, He had so much weight he could only do two (2) reps and had to put them down.

What was the point ?? If I was her I would have politley asked him back for the 2 min's of her life he just wasted... stupid

BTW...She looked like she had a better chance of pressing them 10 rep than he did..LMAO

[Dutchman]

Originally Posted by BrotherWolf

that's music to my ear.. there should be a planet fitness for people who lift heavy,
"no judgment zone" if you do partial squats,partial bench presses, seated military press , spend more than 10 minutes on a treadmill .. the lunk alarm goes off and you're out of there

PS
if you don't use plenty of chalk you get a warning

I understand the revulsion and levity over the phoney lifters with their fake lifts. I can't understand a blanket statement that seems to object to Westside theory in BP training and use of HIIT for cardio on the treadmill. Do I misunderstand or do you seriously object to both schools of training?

[plmb1]

Originally Posted by plmb1

Ironwill, Aneas and Chodan..............I agree.......

thanks for the advice.........we will see what happens.

Well........I had a talk with that fellow today. It went alot better than I expected. He really listened and said..........no one has ever said anything to me......if you would show me.....I'll try.

I was suppose to work back today but when I seen that he was really interested in learning........I decided to work legs today so he could train with me.

He really, really suprised me. I'm glad I did it. I told him that I had thought about it for a while but did not know if he would take to someone trying to correct him.

I set a new pr today on squats............I think it was because I was so pumped mentally from talking to him about it. I'm not sure but it felt great and the young fellow in question did an awsome job. I figured I would have a hard time getting him to drop the #'s but he was cool with it. He did 1 set 22 reps.......1 set of 18 and 2 sets of 15 using 165 lbs doing atg squats. then we did sldl, leg ext and leg curls.

I really hammered his legs today because I wanted him to see the difference in what he was doing and the way I do them. He could hardly walk when we left the gym.

On the way out the door he just kept on saying......man, thank you........I told him that there are three people on bb.com that he should say thank you to also.........Ironwill, Aneas and Chodan9.........thanks guys for kind of nudging me to talk with him because i prolly would have never said a word.........reps to all three when I can........

[Visper]

Originally Posted by wulf88

Now, I normally do not make it a habit to watch other people work out, but I have noticed a trend when people are BB Bench pressing. It all started when someone asked me for a spot. Well, he had about 225 lbs on the bar and said he wanted to do 8 reps. I was ok, let me know when u r ready. Well, he lifts off and does 8 reps of about 1/4 motion. I did not say anything, except if he needed another spot let me know. Since then, I have noticed more and more people performing bench like this (either 1/2 or 1/4 down) for every set. I understand the concept of partials and employ them from time to time, but not for every set of bench. Anyone else notice this trend in their gym?

yes! holy ****! i hate them. theres ambigiously gay duo that does chest 3x a week and walks arould like billy bad ass because they rep 315 1/4 motion for like 5 or 6 and then look at me like im an idiot when i hit 275 clean and strict for 5. i make it a point to stare at them with the " i think your and idiot" look, but i think im encouraging them because they must interpret everyone else looking as "wow we are really cool dudes that lift alot". you know i dont want to be the unsolicited advice guy but its hard not to say something. omg that felt good.

sorry for posting in over 35 but it was presented in on the main forum page

[Reality_Check]

Originally Posted by aneas

I have no problem if someone wants to bench that way. Just dont tell me you bench 225 for 8 if that is what you are doing.

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Originally Posted by plmb1

Well........I had a talk with that fellow today. It went alot better than I expected. He really listened and said..........no one has ever said anything to me......if you would show me.....I'll try.

I was suppose to work back today but when I seen that he was really interested in learning........I decided to work legs today so he could train with me.

He really, really suprised me. I'm glad I did it. I told him that I had thought about it for a while but did not know if he would take to someone trying to correct him.

I set a new pr today on squats............I think it was because I was so pumped mentally from talking to him about it. I'm not sure but it felt great and the young fellow in question did an awsome job. I figured I would have a hard time getting him to drop the #'s but he was cool with it. He did 1 set 22 reps.......1 set of 18 and 2 sets of 15 using 165 lbs doing atg squats. then we did sldl, leg ext and leg curls.

I really hammered his legs today because I wanted him to see the difference in what he was doing and the way I do them. He could hardly walk when we left the gym.

On the way out the door he just kept on saying......man, thank you........I told him that there are three people on bb.com that he should say thank you to also.........Ironwill, Aneas and Chodan9.........thanks guys for kind of nudging me to talk with him because i prolly would have never said a word.........reps to all three when I can........

Gald it went well and congrats on the PR. When he cant walk today he probably will be thinking you are spot on.

[1Parabellum]

Originally Posted by wulf88

Now, I normally do not make it a habit to watch other people work out, but I have noticed a trend when people are BB Bench pressing. It all started when someone asked me for a spot. Well, he had about 225 lbs on the bar and said he wanted to do 8 reps. I was ok, let me know when u r ready. Well, he lifts off and does 8 reps of about 1/4 motion. I did not say anything, except if he needed another spot let me know. Since then, I have noticed more and more people performing bench like this (either 1/2 or 1/4 down) for every set. I understand the concept of partials and employ them from time to time, but not for every set of bench. Anyone else notice this trend in their gym?

I personally like the guys that load up the weight and do those minny reps with their backs arched so much you could fit a medicine ball under them! They grunt, scream and slam the weight and when they are finished they look around like they just benched the world!!!
But like everyone else has said. to each his or her own!!!

[ironwill2008]

Originally Posted by aneas

Gald it went well and congrats on the PR. When he cant walk today he probably will be thinking you are spot on.

X2; my thoughts, exactly.

The DOMS will certainly get his attention, and make him realize that the full ROM is the only way to go. My guess is that he's going to be really, really sore for the next several days.

[beancntr]

Originally Posted by plmb1

I really hammered his legs today because I wanted him to see the difference in what he was doing and the way I do them. He could hardly walk when we left the gym.

I bet he'll be hurting big time the next couple of days. When I finally started doing real, full squats and checked my ego at the door, it was amazing how much better my legs got worked and how much better my back and knees felt. It was hard on my ego at first to drop down to 135lbs and learn to do them right but after about 6 weeks, I'm already back up to reps at 185 and my legs are growing.

Great job helping him out - Repped