A LOT of overweight people don't eat enough...

[Frank.S]

Thyroid conditions don't effect that calories are what matters. We talk about energy in vs energy out (Joules, Calories, whatever you want to call it). A thyroid condition would slow the metabolic rate (effecting the 'out').

But - if anyone every lived on 300cals/day for any extended period, they should donate their body to science. If a human could operate long term on 300calories a day (basic human functions ie breathing and having a pulse take far more then this) all of the worlds energy problems would be solved and the laws of thermodynamics would be considered obsolete.

After we prove the laws of thermodynamics obsolete i vote we move onto time travel.

[imccarthy]

Originally Posted by Frank.S

Thyroid conditions don't effect that calories are what matters. We talk about energy in vs energy out (Joules, Calories, whatever you want to call it). A thyroid condition would slow the metabolic rate (effecting the 'out').

But - if anyone every lived on 300cals/day for any extended period, they should donate their body to science. If a human could operate long term on 300calories a day (basic human functions ie breathing and having a pulse take far more then this) all of the worlds energy problems would be solved and the laws of thermodynamics would be considered obsolete.

After we prove the laws of thermodynamics obsolete i vote we move onto time travel.

Excellent post.

[Scott~]

Originally Posted by Frank.S

Thyroid conditions don't effect that calories are what matters. We talk about energy in vs energy out (Joules, Calories, whatever you want to call it). A thyroid condition would slow the metabolic rate (effecting the 'out').

But - if anyone every lived on 300cals/day for any extended period, they should donate their body to science. If a human could operate long term on 300calories a day (basic human functions ie breathing and having a pulse take far more then this) all of the worlds energy problems would be solved and the laws of thermodynamics would be considered obsolete.

After we prove the laws of thermodynamics obsolete i vote we move onto time travel.

Nice, repped on recharge.

[Destined4Nothin]

Originally Posted by Frank.S

Thyroid conditions don't effect that calories are what matters. We talk about energy in vs energy out (Joules, Calories, whatever you want to call it). A thyroid condition would slow the metabolic rate (effecting the 'out').

But - if anyone every lived on 300cals/day for any extended period, they should donate their body to science. If a human could operate long term on 300calories a day (basic human functions ie breathing and having a pulse take far more then this) all of the worlds energy problems would be solved and the laws of thermodynamics would be considered obsolete.

After we prove the laws of thermodynamics obsolete i vote we move onto time travel.

Thumbs up!

[jmson23]

A lot of the posts on the last page defending gaining weight on very low calories are talking about extreme circumstances. You appeal to unfortunate medical conditions or the fact that some people just have different body chemistry. That's fine and I won't dispute those things, I'm just saying in general no one has logically shown why someone eating 300 calories a day and exercising constantly wouldn't lose weight, without a special circumstance.

krissymoo - Thank you for the info. I don't really know how I can look those things up though because journals aren't easily available for the general public. If you can find a way so I can actually read it, I would appreciate it.

That said, I don't understand your logic about entering ketosis and from my limited knowledge it seems flat out wrong. People (including myself right now) purposely go into ketosis because the body uses fat as energy, not because it stores fat. If you are in ketosis you can't be getting many carbs at all so there's no way you are going to gain weight from the less than 30g of carbs a day you eat. Please clarify if I misunderstood you.

I find this thread interesting, even though I think that many people are incredibly wrong. But, it's not about what I think, it's about the facts, and I'm interested to see if someone can be convincing of the originally idea of this thread. The rebuttals have been very convincing imo.

[krissymoo]

Originally Posted by jmson23

A lot of the posts on the last page defending gaining weight on very low calories are talking about extreme circumstances. You appeal to unfortunate medical conditions or the fact that some people just have different body chemistry. That's fine and I won't dispute those things, I'm just saying in general no one has logically shown why someone eating 300 calories a day and exercising constantly wouldn't lose weight, without a special circumstance.

krissymoo - Thank you for the info. I don't really know how I can look those things up though because journals aren't easily available for the general public. If you can find a way so I can actually read it, I would appreciate it.

That said, I don't understand your logic about entering ketosis and from my limited knowledge it seems flat out wrong. People (including myself right now) purposely go into ketosis because the body uses fat as energy, not because it stores fat. If you are in ketosis you can't be getting many carbs at all so there's no way you are going to gain weight from the less than 30g of carbs a day you eat. Please clarify if I misunderstood you.

I find this thread interesting, even though I think that many people are incredibly wrong. But, it's not about what I think, it's about the facts, and I'm interested to see if someone can be convincing of the originally idea of this thread. The rebuttals have been very convincing imo.

Perhaps ketosis is not my forte... I don't like low carb diets so I have no reason to look into what it actually does... try and google the sites- sometimes they'll show up out of luck or at least an abstract.

From what I can gather is if you sustain a 300c diet or lets even say 1000... you are bound to plateau at some point. That being said... if your body is in Ketosis (because ketosis is what your body does...) and you binge *go above 1000* and indulge in carbs - then you WOULD be storing fat because you wouldn't beburning the glucose *carbs*... they'd be stored as fat... am i right?

If I am wrong, feel free to correct me. I am one for accepting I have made a mistake.

[imccarthy]

Originally Posted by krissymoo

Perhaps ketosis is not my forte... I don't like low carb diets so I have no reason to look into what it actually does... try and google the sites- sometimes they'll show up out of luck or at least an abstract.

From what I can gather is if you sustain a 300c diet or lets even say 1000... you are bound to plateau at some point. That being said... if your body is in Ketosis (because ketosis is what your body does...) and you binge *go above 1000* and indulge in carbs - then you WOULD be storing fat because you wouldn't beburning the glucose *carbs*... they'd be stored as fat... am i right?

If I am wrong, feel free to correct me. I am one for accepting I have made a mistake.

As soon as you reintroduce carbs into the diet the body drops out of ketosis almost instanteneously.

[jmson23]

Originally Posted by krissymoo

Perhaps ketosis is not my forte... I don't like low carb diets so I have no reason to look into what it actually does... try and google the sites- sometimes they'll show up out of luck or at least an abstract.

From what I can gather is if you sustain a 300c diet or lets even say 1000... you are bound to plateau at some point. That being said... if your body is in Ketosis (because ketosis is what your body does...) and you binge *go above 1000* and indulge in carbs - then you WOULD be storing fat because you wouldn't beburning the glucose *carbs*... they'd be stored as fat... am i right?

If I am wrong, feel free to correct me. I am one for accepting I have made a mistake.

Like the above poster said, once you reintroduce high levels of carbs your body will instantly shoot out insulin and get out of ketosis. This has nothing to do with the calories you eat, only the carbs. You can eat 2x the calories you normally do and stay in ketosis as long as the carbs stay low. However, once you leave ketosis I don't understand why you're saying that you will store carbs as fat. You only store fat when calories in < calories out, but that has nothing to do with carbs from what I understand.

I like your attitude and I'm with you. I don't want to get into an e-fight and sound like an arrogant brofessor. However on this one issue of ketosis, I think you're mixing up some concepts.

[krissymoo]

Originally Posted by jmson23

Like the above poster said, once you reintroduce high levels of carbs your body will instantly shoot out insulin and get out of ketosis. This has nothing to do with the calories you eat, only the carbs. You can eat 2x the calories you normally do and stay in ketosis as long as the carbs stay low. However, once you leave ketosis I don't understand why you're saying that you will store carbs as fat. You only store fat when calories in < calories out, but that has nothing to do with carbs from what I understand.

I like your attitude and I'm with you. I don't want to get into an e-fight and sound like an arrogant brofessor. However on this one issue of ketosis, I think you're mixing up some concepts.

Thanks for the info, guys! I still would have to say that extremely low cal diets do a lot of damage... and can result in an ugly plateau.

[Pelk]

Originally Posted by krissymoo

Perhaps ketosis is not my forte... I don't like low carb diets so I have no reason to look into what it actually does... try and google the sites- sometimes they'll show up out of luck or at least an abstract.

From what I can gather is if you sustain a 300c diet or lets even say 1000... you are bound to plateau at some point. That being said... if your body is in Ketosis (because ketosis is what your body does...) and you binge *go above 1000* and indulge in carbs - then you WOULD be storing fat because you wouldn't beburning the glucose *carbs*... they'd be stored as fat... am i right?

If I am wrong, feel free to correct me. I am one for accepting I have made a mistake.

I'm pretty sure the carbs would go to your muscles and liver first. Your body isn't going to instantly pack on fat when your glycogen stores are empty.

[Shaneomacky]

So, For someone that weighs in the ballpark 277lbs. With a mat. Cal of 4000, decides to stop eating like **** and is now eating around 2200-2500Cal a day, 1500 less the the mat. And on top of that burning around 800Cal, 5 days a week at the gym, this will end up working against this person in question??? :P

[belairdfence99]

Originally Posted by jmson23

Oh yeah, the Holocaust and Russian GULAG camps! Yeah, their bodies all adapted and they actually GAINED weight. All of those photos where the people look like skeletons are fake.

Could you please explain this ?

[RealMenDeadLift]

Originally Posted by belairdfence99

Could you please explain this ?

he was joking....