Mr. Universe Arrested for Assault While in Insulin Shock

[MS58]

Originally Posted by Anoka

you're being a douche, no one said we don't need cops anymore, we were just mad about the afterward charges.

instead of getting mad every time someone has something to say about cops,
why don't you sit down with a donut and realize that everyone is entitled to have their own opinion about those who serve us.

How long did it take you to think up a comeback with a donut in your post? I'm not knocking peoples opinions, I think instances like this bring up great conversation. Its the ignorant rants of someone like your self who use personal attacks to try and better themselves in front of other keyboard warriors that muck up threads.

And you can thank the DA for the charges, not the cop.

[bdiesel]

you know what? i'm a police officer. there are several here. what they did was follow procedure. you 'cop haters' are just pissed off because you broke the law and got in trouble at some point in your life. you're forgetting the guy was being a dick and lunged at an officer. then he took a 'fighting stance'. yeah, it's a sign of intoxication and it's a sign of a medical situation, but when the guy is being aggressive, you need to control the situation first. you don't know if he has a weapon or what. i don't give a **** if a 300lb guy or a 100lb woman takes a swing at me, i spray them and kick their ass. usually at the same time. to be honest with you, when i show up usually everybody relaxes but i'll still hose somebody on principle. and i'll let them bake in it for 30 minutes so their face is stained orange for a week. call it what you want, but that individual will not **** around with my oficers (or me) again. as far as charging him after the fact, that was a bit unreasonable - the guy had a medical emergency. but to say that what they did to subdue him was wrong, you're idiots. you should be stating that the fact he was CHARGED was wrong or bull****.

[CarolinaGurl]

Originally Posted by Mortis

Any thread made by a female (even an older one) on a male-dominated site is bound to be a runaway hit.

Are you looking for a written invitation to my s**t list?

You better watch the "old" comments babe I may be old in age but I still get hit on in the gym and other places by guys 15 years my junior.

Oh and did I mention my husband is also 7 years younger than me?

I know you said that just to get my goat, your a naughty boy and in desperate need of a spanking.

*big evil grin*

~CG

[bxbombers]

Originally Posted by bdiesel

you know what? i'm a police officer. there are several here. what they did was follow procedure. you 'cop haters' are just pissed off because you broke the law and got in trouble at some point in your life. you're forgetting the guy was being a dick and lunged at an officer. then he took a 'fighting stance'. yeah, it's a sign of intoxication and it's a sign of a medical situation, but when the guy is being aggressive, you need to control the situation first. you don't know if he has a weapon or what. i don't give a **** if a 300lb guy or a 100lb woman takes a swing at me, i spray them and kick their ass. usually at the same time. to be honest with you, when i show up usually everybody relaxes but i'll still hose somebody on principle. and i'll let them bake in it for 30 minutes so their face is stained orange for a week. call it what you want, but that individual will not **** around with my oficers (or me) again. as far as charging him after the fact, that was a bit unreasonable - the guy had a medical emergency. but to say that what they did to subdue him was wrong, you're idiots. you should be stating that the fact he was CHARGED was wrong or bull****.

0 tollerance and thats the way it should be. you see a sworm of blue comming you better not act up. sorry people, hate us if you want -but we'll still be there to get your ass out of trouble. sometimes we have to act tough, and act like *******s. its a cruel world out there, and we deal with the scum of the earth.
there are bad cops just like there is in any profession. bottom line, if you didnt have a police force in your community, imagine the destruction. we put our lives on the line day in and day out. if your not doing anything wrong -then you have nothing to worry about. i hate it when i have to pull out my cuffs or write a citation. thats just a ****load of paperwork and court apperances i dont want to have to deal with.

[Anoka]

Originally Posted by MS58

How long did it take you to think up a comeback with a donut in your post? I'm not knocking peoples opinions, I think instances like this bring up great conversation. Its the ignorant rants of someone like your self who use personal attacks to try and better themselves in front of other keyboard warriors that muck up threads.

And you can thank the DA for the charges, not the cop.

i thought of it as i wrote it, unlike you, i dont have to contemplate every little thing i write. who's being the keyboard warrior? you were the one suggesting we never ask for help just because we criticized a policeman's conduct. its difficult to argue with someone who doesnt know how to communicate. your too passionate about defending you're fellow servicemen to think about anything productive to say.


btw, ive never broken a law, yet another assumption made too early by a COP *cough* *oink oink* *cough* im done with this thread.

[MS58]

Originally Posted by Anoka

i thought of it as i wrote it, unlike you, i dont have to contemplate every little thing i write. who's being the keyboard warrior? you were the one suggesting we never ask for help just because we criticized a policeman's conduct. its difficult to argue with someone who doesnt know how to communicate. your too passionate about defending you're fellow servicemen to think about anything productive to say.


btw, ive never broken a law, yet another assumption made too early by a COP *cough* *oink oink* *cough* im done with this thread.

Your post says it all smart guy. Now go hug a tree.

Hook, line and sinker.

[preachercurls]

I find the actions of the police very frustrating, especially since they ignored or didn't check Doug's Medic Alert bracelet. That's what it's there for, to let people know you're a diabetic and may need help. I'm the same age as Dough Burns and have been a diabetic almost as long as he has. Doug was doing the right thing by trying to get something with glucose in his system. Speaking from experience, when your blood sugar is low your singular focus is getting food--any food, before you pass out. I can see if the police tried to interfere with Doug trying to get glucose in his system, and if Doug's blood sugar was dangerously low, Doug wasn't going to be able to communicate effectively. I have a card in my wallet which says that I am a diabetic and that if I'm acting strangely, I am not drunk but probably need medical attention. I've never had that happen in public in almost 30 years, but I can really sympathize with Doug's situation. I'm disappointed the police would have over-reacted without assessing the full situation. In addition, I would think the presence of an insulin pump would have been a clue to the police that something else was going on. Gosh, what's the funny little plastic tube? I wonder where it goes?

Preachercurls

Originally Posted by CarolinaGurl

REDWOOD CITY, Calif.- The reigning Mr. Universe was sprayed with Mace and wrestled to the ground by police officers, who mistakenly believed he was intoxicated when the diabetic bodybuilder actually was going through insulin shock.

Despite the misunderstanding, Doug Burns was arrested for misdemeanor assault and resisting arrest for the incident at a downtown movie theater Sunday night. Redwood City Police Capt. Chris Cessina said officers reported that Burns, 43, had assumed a fighting stance and it took four officers to bring him into submission.

"The fact is Mr. Burns assaulted our officer," Cessina said. "If he had just stood there and let us help him, maybe they would have called the medics if he didn't seem to fit the description of being under the influence."

Burns, who was trying a new diabetes drug on that night, said he was preparing to see a film when he felt dizziness and poor vision?a sign of low blood sugar?and hurried to a snack counter.

A security guard noticed Burns' strange behavior and asked him to leave, thinking he was intoxicated, Cessina said. When he refused, the guard called police.

When officers arrived, Burns allegedly lunged at one of them, pushing him to the ground with both hands, and took a fighting stance, Cessina said. Burns continued being combative until four officers wrestled him down, the captain said.

During the scuffle, the officers did not notice Burns' Medic Alert bracelet. An on-scene medical test later confirmed that Burns had low blood sugar during the incident, Cessina said.

Burns, a board member of the American Diabetes Association who often speaks to raise awareness about the condition, said he doesn't remember the incident clearly, but could explain the behavior that police described.

"I could understand if I was belligerent or had track marks, but I was nicely dressed and I don't think I fit the profile or smelled like alcohol," Burns told the San Mateo Daily Journal.

An officer asked him to sign a citation while he was incoherent, Burns said, and he hasn't had a chance to review it. A court date has not yet been set in the case.

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[jsweetness]

procedure? the same that "forced" police to assault a mentally retarded black child? give me a god damn break. to say all cops are stupid is stupid in itself. a lot of cops are unintelligent, and are not fit to do their jobs correctly. as for education....i took the classes needed for a law enforcement degree in HS.

[KROCK]

I have to say as a fellow type 1 diabetic, the issue is where in the police officer training is there for medical conditions like this and being able to recognize a medical condition instead of reacting on instinct that a man is a recluse. I understand the priority of a police officer is to protect the public and his fellow officers along with himself. I question how violent Doug was. If he was which most insulin dependant diabetics are when they go into insulin shock, there are other signs that point to if he was intoxicated or high. A person that is in insulin shock is not a menace to society. He just needs a little help to become coherent. We only can assume and be judgmental on this one, which is sad. He was on an insulin pump which needs time to bolus out (which means finding the correct dosage, which changes on a daily basis at the beginning of pumping) so you can recognize the correct dosage and he also had a medical bracelet so there is no reason for him to be treated like Rodney King. I am not too happy that this gentleman was charged. I believe as the other police officers on this site have said the citation will be dropped. The issue is then does Doug have a case and he should be able to have a suit against the city. This reverts to the beginning of this post; "TRAINING" love it or hate it.

[Cosmonaut]

Originally Posted by mindraper

Should have gave him few of their doughnuts instead of being wise-ass and trying to bring the "big boy" down.. Cops acting like they're badass *yawn*

hahhahhhahhh

[TheSheepdog]

Originally Posted by zen-bodybuilder

Cops are idiots....

i dont think we are

[TheSheepdog]

here's the thing
1.i dont think were idiots....were people who make mistakes
2.alot of officers on my department are college educated including myself (degree in exercise physiology and currently going for a post.
3.i fuking love donuts, so if youre trying to use that as a insult, then its not

o.k., QUESTION FOR EVERYONE HERE
WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN A PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDER, MAYBE 300LBS, LUNGES AT YOU IN A BELLIGERENT STATE, DO YOU LET HIM KEEP GOING BECAUSE HE' WEARING A MEDICAL BRACELET? think about it

the officers did what they were suppose to do, they sprayed the man, not beat him, or shoot him, they sprayed him...the sht wipes off.


now also as a certified emt, i can also say that when a person goes into diabetic shock some might have the EXACT same symptons as someone who is intoxicated, therefore until the subject is subdued or until the subject can state what is going on with him, you must take action, for our safety, the safety of the subject and the safety for the public

last week i had a woman driving on the wrong side of a busy street here in savannah, she was swerving and driving on the curb, the call went out as a drunk driver, so we treated it as such until otherwise...well she had low sugar and i still cited her. It wasnt my fault the she has low sugar, or forgot her insulin, or didnt know her state. My concern is the safety of all of you guys who call us idiots and diks, cause if that lady wouldve hit one of your mothers, you would be crying and saying that she should be prosecuted, the same with this guy, imagine if the police wouldnt had got there in time and he fuked up some poor person...just some dull things to think about.

and as for the donut jokes, i guess there doing me some good.

[bxbombers]

i got into an accident the other day.. but it was because my contacts fell out.. sorry i killed that little girl but its not my fault i have bad eyes..

the next day i was taking a medication that warned me i could fall asleep, and not to dive.. i got into my car -fell asleep and killed another kid again -not my fault it was the medication.

i was taking some medication today and it must have put me in a rage, because i beat the **** out of some dude... not my fault it was the medication.

[TheSheepdog]

^^^^^
rough life

but my exactly, good post

[Whingman]

Originally Posted by bxbombers

i got into an accident the other day.. but it was because my contacts fell out.. sorry i killed that little girl but its not my fault i have bad eyes..

the next day i was taking a medication that warned me i could fall asleep, and not to dive.. i got into my car -fell asleep and killed another kid again -not my fault it was the medication.

i was taking some medication today and it must have put me in a rage, because i beat the **** out of some dude... not my fault it was the medication.

Listen I think you are being way to harsh in this situation, as a diabetic I find it somewhat offensive, I think perhaps you need to be more reasonable in understanding the situation and what it means to be diabetic, or what it is like to have seriously low blood sugars.

Diabetics take many precautions to ensure this doesn't happen or if it does that people can understand the situation they are in, hence the medical alert bracelet. You cannto comprehend what it is like to be out in public and not have someone understand what it means to be diabetic or be expirencing low blood sugars.

Low blood sugars, however, are a fact of life for diabetics, they do happen, its not a simple as just being more carefull we are carefull. Their are times when the public makes it worse, a case a while back occured where a diabetic individual was trying to explain teh situation to cashiers, trying to get some sugar, no one would help, no one would do anything, that individual died.

You also said the individual beign discussed went into a rage, I think perhaps your over selling it, the article says he lunged at a cop. Now that could be anything, I remember once, when I went low, I was having trouble walking, and I "lunged at my brother" What was I really doing, trying to catch my balance, again I cannot explain what it is like to you to be low, you won't understand.

But what is the solution? Sequestering all diabetics off into a little corner to rot and die? Well thats ****ign absurd, because the occurences of these issues is relatively rare. Steps are taken...usualy the big oen is the ****ing medical alert bracelet. Depending on where you live there are other laws and requirements. To get a Drivers license I had to meet certain requirements, A1C, doctors note, and I need to check my blood before I get in a vehicle. these steps are taken and they are followed, trust me Diabetics do worry about going low, and they do take precautions.

However, once ever decade or so, something might happen, you would hope that people can be understanding of the fact that this is a very serious medical condition, and your require medical help, not mace. And you would also hope that if you had taken such precautions, that people would be somewhat understanding of such things.

Of course you are not aware of this at all. You outlined a person driving a vehicle after taking medication that may cause drowsiness, that is not taking the neccessary precuations is it? However, wearing a an identifying bracelet while out in public (not driving a car) is a big step.

Now sometimes ACCIDENTS happen. But accidents are rarely criminal, because they rarely stand up to the test of RESPONSIBILITY. If Mr. Universe in this case, took precautions, which is evidenced by his wearing of the medic alert braclet, his actions can and should be deemed out of charachter actions, not falling under criminal responsibility, likewise by taking those precautions an arguement of negligence on his part is also moot. If he can demonstrate that he took precautions, his behavoir was then not negligant if it can be said that he planned to the best of his ability, for such a circumstance.

[bxbombers]

Originally Posted by Whingman

Spoken like a true dumb ass who knows jack **** about being diabetic.

does a low blood sugar level put you into a psychotic rage?? news to me, but if it does you better take the necessary precations to make sure that doesnt happen..

what if he went psycho on a little kid? still blaming the medication?what if he shot the cop?

its called taking responsibility for your actions. if he wants to use his condition as an excuse then fine, he may get out of it. but thats to be done in a court room, not while hes indangering a police officer.

[coldfusion71]

Originally Posted by bxbombers

i got into an accident the other day.. but it was because my contacts fell out.. sorry i killed that little girl but its not my fault i have bad eyes..

the next day i was taking a medication that warned me i could fall asleep, and not to dive.. i got into my car -fell asleep and killed another kid again -not my fault it was the medication.

i was taking some medication today and it must have put me in a rage, because i beat the **** out of some dude... not my fault it was the medication.

What a stupid and ridiculous oversimplification, you cannot compare going into insulin shock to over medicating yourself. you should try to develope some objectivity in your arguments, as well as a rational foundation instead of trying to rubber stamp and adjudicate a case on the boards, when you dont know all the facts.

The foundation of or legal system is you are innocent until proven guilty, you speak as if you know the events that lead up to the situation when you dont. I guess in your mind there is no need for the judicial process the cops characterazation of the events is always truthful and accurate.

[WowWeakForum]

Originally Posted by CarolinaGurl

"I could understand if I was belligerent or had track marks, but I was nicely dressed and I don't think I fit the profile or smelled like alcohol," Burns told the San Mateo Daily Journal.

I completely agree. Before macing an idiot who is lunging at them, all cops should be required to look for track marks and check his clothes for expensive brand names.

[tony404]

you think a guy thats a spokesman for his disease, would have it under better control. What happened to him is avoidable.

[bxbombers]

Originally Posted by coldfusion71

What a stupid and ridiculous oversimplification, you cannot compare going into insulin shock to over medicating yourself. you should try to develope some objectivity in your arguments, as well as a rational foundation instead of trying to rubber stamp and adjudicate a case on the boards, when you dont know all the facts.

The foundation of or legal system is you are innocent until proven guilty, you speak as if you know the events that lead up to the situation when you dont. I guess in your mind there is no need for the judicial process the cops characterazation of the events is always truthful and accurate.

i dont know what the hell you guys are talking about. im not saying what this guy did was right or wrong, or weather the cops were right or wrong. if the cops were at fault they will pay for it just like mr universe will if he is guilty.

he punched a cop so dont say he didnt do anyrthing.. they used mace because they couldnt get him under control.

its a simple as this : guy attacks cops while acting crazy.. cops put him in cuffs. turns out the guy is a diabetic. cops wright ticket so a judge can fiqure out what to do with him. fact is, when you attack a cop you will see a court date.

are police officers medical or psychological experts? im sure as hell not. mr universe can go to court and have experts explain to them that his condition caused his actions. then he can go home free of charges.

not a big deal, but of course all the jackasses of the world scream police brutality. the problem i have with this guy is hes saying he didnt do anything and he was abused. he using his condition as an excuse.

what he should be saying is "yes i did get out of line, but it was because of my medication, and i thank the police officers for controling me when i could have hurt myself or someone else.. but i feel the charges are improper and we'll let the courts fiqure out if the charges should be droped"

insead its the evil cops on a power trip beat him down for no reason.. its called self responsibility. no matter what you are the result of your actions.

what would you guys say to a mentaly retarted person shoots and kills someone? would you say "well your retarted, not your fault, have a nice day".. or would you give him a court date where the experts and judges could fiqure it out and make a better judgment call?

[Whingman]

Originally Posted by bxbombers

does a low blood sugar level put you into a psychotic rage?? news to me, but if it does you better take the necessary precations to make sure that doesnt happen..

what if he went psycho on a little kid? still blaming the medication?what if he shot the cop?

its called taking responsibility for your actions. if he wants to use his condition as an excuse then fine, he may get out of it. but thats to be done in a court room, not while hes indangering a police officer.

I realise this is a topic that people will have opinions on and that we are both opinionated people so we will butt heads.

I would however, suggest that you do some research on type 1 insulin dependant diabetes and low blood sugars, because you seem to be talking tounge-in-cheek about the issue with out full comprehension of diabetes. This may be a source of some of the communication problems we are having right now.

Having low blood glucose levels SERIOUSLY impacts your cognative abilities and can kill you. And you are absolutely correct that as I daibetic I should be taking the neccessary precautions, and I do. But sometimes even taking the neccessary precautions doesn;t ward off low blood sugars, although that is rarely the case.

In this particular case I would like to present two main facets. (1) That the individual was wearing a medic alert braclet to make other people aware of his situation (2) That the article states that he tried to rectify the situation, by purchasing food, but was prevented from doing so. That in itsel fis very unfortunate, I remember reading a couple years back where a young diabetic girl died, because people refused to help her.

I would also like to say that I do not believe the cops reaction was brutal or criminal. I think the cops just did what they felt to be neccessary. I am not trying to critisize the cops for using force, for me that is not an issue.

What I am critisizing is the officer choosing to press chargers, even after finding out that the individual was having a medical issue, could be indentified as having a medical problem, and attempted to rectify the situation but was refused help.

You say it is taking responsibility for his actions, to an extent you are correct, that is why we are talking about the neccessary precautions, because he had the ability to take them, and appears as if he did. That is where his responsibility lies, in taking the neccessary precautions.

I am not saying that police officers are evil, or that they are brutal bastards, that is not what I am saying, the police officers I know are generally reasonable people. I just feel like perhaps after the fact tehy could be more understanding of the situation, and the serious medical condition.

[bxbombers]

maybee im not explaining this right,, but your missing my point.. im a police officer. if someone attacks me they will get a fine. now im am not a medical expert. so i will refer the case to a court who can fiqure it out. police are not a judge and a jury. we do not make judgment calls based on something we are not experts on..

lets say i pick a guy up on murder charges.. as soon as i put the cuffs on him, that doesnt mean hes guilty of murder. if i write a speeding citation, that does mean your guilty of speeding.. the court decides what your guilty of.

good exapmle.. a few weeks ago i wrote a guy a speeding ticket. something i never do but he was going 40 over.. just got out of court with him today, and they verified he was on his way to the hospital because his wife was in an accident -charges droped, record clean. did i know he was telling me the truth while we were on the side of the road? no, but he -like anyone who breaks the law gets to plead their case.. just like mr universe will.

[bxbombers]

"What I am critisizing is the officer choosing to press chargers, even after finding out that the individual was having a medical issue, could be indentified as having a medical problem, and attempted to rectify the situation but was refused help."



fact is we dont know the whole situation.. and if you pay close attention to the media,they always make the cop out to be the bad guy -makes an interesting story right? if his actions were justified then hell go home free of anything.. they'll have doctors who are diabetic experts explain everything. then a JUDGE will make the call. how are the cops supposed to know what he did was because of his condition? im sure they didnt have doctors on scene with them. maybee he was on an illegal drug? being arrested and being charged are two completely different things.

[Whingman]

Originally Posted by bxbombers

maybee im not explaining this right,, but your missing my point.. im a police officer. if someone attacks me they will get a fine. now im am not a medical expert. so i will refer the case to a court who can fiqure it out. police are not a judge and a jury. we do not make judgment calls based on something we are not experts on..

lets say i pick a guy up on murder charges.. as soon as i put the cuffs on him, that doesnt mean hes guilty of murder. if i write a speeding citation, that does mean your guilty of speeding.. the court decides what your guilty of.

good exapmle.. a few weeks ago i wrote a guy a speeding ticket. something i never do but he was going 40 over.. just got out of court with him today, and they verified he was on his way to the hospital because his wife was in an accident -charges droped, record clean. did i know he was telling me the truth while we were on the side of the road? no, but he -like anyone who breaks the law gets to plead their case.. just like mr universe will.

Originally Posted by bxbombers

"What I am critisizing is the officer choosing to press chargers, even after finding out that the individual was having a medical issue, could be indentified as having a medical problem, and attempted to rectify the situation but was refused help."



fact is we dont know the whole situation.. and if you pay close attention to the media,they always make the cop out to be the bad guy -makes an interesting story right? if his actions were justified then hell go home free of anything.. they'll have doctors who are diabetic experts explain everything. then a JUDGE will make the call. how are the cops supposed to know what he did was because of his condition? im sure they didnt have doctors on scene with them. maybee he was on an illegal drug? being arrested and being charged are two completely different things.

I think we are starting to get closer to a reconcialable difference. Anyways...I am not critisizing the actions the officers took in response to the situation they were presented with. Take your medical/speed ticket case, if at the scene you could have know for 100% certainty that the individual was telling you the truth, would you still have issued the ticket? Maybe you would ahve, maybe you wouldn't have, I can't speak for you but it is something to think about.

[StrongrthnIlook]

Originally Posted by armymuscle01

here's the thing
1.i dont think were idiots....were people who make mistakes
2.alot of officers on my department are college educated including myself (degree in exercise physiology and currently going for a post.
3.i fuking love donuts, so if youre trying to use that as a insult, then its not

o.k., QUESTION FOR EVERYONE HERE
WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN A PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDER, MAYBE 300LBS, LUNGES AT YOU IN A BELLIGERENT STATE, DO YOU LET HIM KEEP GOING BECAUSE HE' WEARING A MEDICAL BRACELET? think about it

the officers did what they were suppose to do, they sprayed the man, not beat him, or shoot him, they sprayed him...the sht wipes off.


now also as a certified emt, i can also say that when a person goes into diabetic shock some might have the EXACT same symptons as someone who is intoxicated, therefore until the subject is subdued or until the subject can state what is going on with him, you must take action, for our safety, the safety of the subject and the safety for the public

last week i had a woman driving on the wrong side of a busy street here in savannah, she was swerving and driving on the curb, the call went out as a drunk driver, so we treated it as such until otherwise...well she had low sugar and i still cited her. It wasnt my fault the she has low sugar, or forgot her insulin, or didnt know her state. My concern is the safety of all of you guys who call us idiots and diks, cause if that lady wouldve hit one of your mothers, you would be crying and saying that she should be prosecuted, the same with this guy, imagine if the police wouldnt had got there in time and he fuked up some poor person...just some dull things to think about.

and as for the donut jokes, i guess there doing me some good.

Who can't relate to that? This man is clear, articulate and honest. This man obviously has integrity. If all police officers were this way, there would never have been a reason for NWA to make "F the police" in the first place.

Not all tall people are jerks, but if one sees 100 tall people per day and 3 per week are very jerky, then it's easy to see why one would come to the conclusion that tall people are jerks.

I have known many officers who are way cool and consider their job an honor and privilege. They put their lives on the line to protect our right to a quiet and peaceful life. Without them we would fall to the lowest common denominator in a lot of cases. That would mean constant anarchy and no sense of order. "No school today, a bunch of people decided to live there instead of paying rent somewhere else."

My brother works in law enforcement and I have seen him change because he has to deal with the scum of the earth on a daily basis. He is not the cheerful guy he used to be. It's gotta suck to deal with the city's problems every day. Great guy, but more mechanical and critical due to his interaction with these types of people on a regular basis.

That being said, there are some officers who have posted here that reflect the problem that a lot of people have with the police -

Situational power - I have a badge so I'm the boss. That is not true. The badge gives you the power to do certain things, but the truth is the truth. One should use this power responsibly. Since this is not always the case, people sometimes consider the police to be d**ks.

Fraternal loyalty - My fellow officers are always right, because they are officers. No one is right all the time. People know this and resent this position because no one likes this type of game.

Gang mentality - There are 10 of us, you better watch out. Most people feel this is cowardly. If you have 10 friends with you, shouldn't you be more civil than if the confrontation is 1 on 1? I mean, what's the threat? Unfortunately, some officers use this as an excuse to get crazy because there really is no threat to them with such overwhelming numbers.

Above the law - Most of us have seen officers who were way out of line in many ways, but felt they were untouchable and therefore their behavior was appropriate. Many people would feel this is unfair.

Bullying - I have seen officer's do and say things they would never do or say without a badge and a gun. They have been disrespectful and rude to people on this board because of this. No one likes to be treated badly, especially if it's because of a postion that's supposed to be based on trust and honor.

Cowardice - Spraying a guy with mace then attacking him? Why not just cuff him? The purpose is to subdue him so the DA can decide what to do with him, isn't it? Wouldn't that be less effort and hassle? The reason for attacking a blinded victim, regardless of what he did is the problem here. If he really needs his a** kicked, why not just do it, man to man?

Betrayal - We would like to expect our police to be kinda like our parents, protective and fair. When these expectations are not met, especially with violent attacks and bad treatment, we feel our trust has been betrayed and most people get angry about that.

Misdirected anger - A lot of these behaviors stem from a person's inability to handle problems where they happen, so they use the badge as an excuse to take it out on some easy target. The perp had it coming. Using a label allows the disconnect necessary to justify excessive force and cowardly acts.

Would I want to live in a world without police, of course not. Would I prefer a world where people used their power and responsibility wisely, yep.

[TheSheepdog]

Originally Posted by StrongrthnIlook

Who can't relate to that? This man is clear, articulate and honest. This man obviously has integrity. If all police officers were this way, there would never have been a reason for NWA to make "F the police" in the first place.

Not all tall people are jerks, but if one sees 100 tall people per day and 3 per week are very jerky, then it's easy to see why one would come to the conclusion that tall people are jerks.

I have known many officers who are way cool and consider their job an honor and privilege. They put their lives on the line to protect our right to a quiet and peaceful life. Without them we would fall to the lowest common denominator in a lot of cases. That would mean constant anarchy and no sense of order. "No school today, a bunch of people decided to live there instead of paying rent somewhere else."

My brother works in law enforcement and I have seen him change because he has to deal with the scum of the earth on a daily basis. He is not the cheerful guy he used to be. It's gotta suck to deal with the city's problems every day. Great guy, but more mechanical and critical due to his interaction with these types of people on a regular basis.

That being said, there are some officers who have posted here that reflect the problem that a lot of people have with the police -

Situational power - I have a badge so I'm the boss. That is not true. The badge gives you the power to do certain things, but the truth is the truth. One should use this power responsibly. Since this is not always the case, people sometimes consider the police to be d**ks.

Fraternal loyalty - My fellow officers are always right, because they are officers. No one is right all the time. People know this and resent this position because no one likes this type of game.

Gang mentality - There are 10 of us, you better watch out. Most people feel this is cowardly. If you have 10 friends with you, shouldn't you be more civil than if the confrontation is 1 on 1? I mean, what's the threat? Unfortunately, some officers use this as an excuse to get crazy because there really is no threat to them with such overwhelming numbers.

Above the law - Most of us have seen officers who were way out of line in many ways, but felt they were untouchable and therefore their behavior was appropriate. Many people would feel this is unfair.

Bullying - I have seen officer's do and say things they would never do or say without a badge and a gun. They have been disrespectful and rude to people on this board because of this. No one likes to be treated badly, especially if it's because of a postion that's supposed to be based on trust and honor.

Cowardice - Spraying a guy with mace then attacking him? Why not just cuff him? The purpose is to subdue him so the DA can decide what to do with him, isn't it? Wouldn't that be less effort and hassle? The reason for attacking a blinded victim, regardless of what he did is the problem here. If he really needs his a** kicked, why not just do it, man to man?

Betrayal - We would like to expect our police to be kinda like our parents, protective and fair. When these expectations are not met, especially with violent attacks and bad treatment, we feel our trust has been betrayed and most people get angry about that.

Misdirected anger - A lot of these behaviors stem from a person's inability to handle problems where they happen, so they use the badge as an excuse to take it out on some easy target. The perp had it coming. Using a label allows the disconnect necessary to justify excessive force and cowardly acts.

Would I want to live in a world without police, of course not. Would I prefer a world where people used their power and responsibility wisely, yep.

good post

you see, i know officers that do it for the power and some that do it for the money, i just love this sht, i love passing out football cards to little kids, going into the trailer parks slamming domestics, and chasing the dope boys out the housing areas, i told my wife that i would do it for free if i could (if i had a million dollars. i keep myself up to date with all of the pertinent georgia laws and my dept. s.o.p's.
Now, i do curse at subjects, especially when they lie to me or do something henious, but everyone is sir, ma'am, (people my age or older) bro, my man, young lady, (people my age or younger) etc etc.
and i will do what it has to take to much sure that i go home in the morning or at night to see my familiy.

so many people are unaware of all the laws that the supreme court has pass that restrict will law enforcement can do. I cant just go into your house, or violate your civil rights while your walking up the street, noon time, minding your business. I'm not suppose to curse at you or call you any kind of racist or slanderish name...but you can call me those things. There's alot more, so i hope everyone realize what stress and restriction officers are under while they are trying to do their jobs effectively. The public wants us to be mother teresa and rambo at the same time, that sht aint easy.

[TheSheepdog]

Originally Posted by Whingman

I think we are starting to get closer to a reconcialable difference. Anyways...I am not critisizing the actions the officers took in response to the situation they were presented with. Take your medical/speed ticket case, if at the scene you could have know for 100% certainty that the individual was telling you the truth, would you still have issued the ticket? Maybe you would ahve, maybe you wouldn't have, I can't speak for you but it is something to think about.

i would have given the ticket and wrote warning on it. That's to cover my ass in case if it happens again, or if he kills someone driving or on the streets, that way once you go to court you have documented proof that the subject has a history of this

[Dante33]

85 % of cops abuse their authority. The reason why they get away with it is becuase they have a shiny little bage on their chest. When a pedstrain makes a complaint to a police officers watch commander who do you think he's gonna belive, his trusted officer or some pedstrain that got his Rights vilolated? Ofcorse he's gonna belive the officer. If you do something to piss an officer off like putting your hands in your pocket for example they become extremely hostile. I hate cops, I've had many bad experinces with cops. To tell you the truth I'd rather have a crackhead come to my resuce then a police officer. Like the other day, I was watching the news and there was a story, this guy had his car sterio on "to loud" the cop asked to turn it down,(I highly dought he asked him nicley) the man refused, so the officer pulled out his gun and shot him at point blank range. The man was killed instantly. What happend to the officer you ask? He was probably givin a medal. Their was investigation that showed the man was no threat, had no weapons, his only crime was enjoying his music. The officer probably got a slap on the rist, and he's probably pulling somone over as we speak. I forgot to mention, the man that was killed was an African American.


Ohh and also, my freind hooked me up with some Humalog. Can't wait to test it out.

[TheSheepdog]

idiotic post

1.you say officers get angry when people put their hands in their pockets...should they be happy and allow it to happen, do you know what people carry in their pockets
2.the rights of this bodybuilder wasnt violated, know your law son
3.a guy had his car stereo on too loud and a cop shot him...THAT cop is a piece of sht, if its true. Also there is always more to the story. Youre guessing the officer was given a medal...???wtf, yea that happens in the real world, stop watching so much fuking t.v. and listening to you friends and realize that everything in the media isnt how it happen.

the only people that hate cops are people that been abuse by piece of sht officer's and CRIMINALS. the rest of the public doesnt give it a second thought or has respect...i wonder which one are you?

btw, im african american, from watts california and have been harrassed over some bullsht numerous times. I actually had my civil rights violated under a bogus arrest that was later dropped by the "victim". Yet i know that police officers are individuals and ibecame a cop. Every nasty cop i saw out there and remember seeing i try to be the opposite. I went out and got a football league together in the low income neighborhoods, a free weight room, and passing out cards to little kids...but when someone is trying to play me out there i get aggressive, cause some criminals are a piece of scum and some of them are career criminals who think they know the law and try to push your buttons. No citizen will ever know what police go through on a nightly basis, especially the ones in large cities.