i feel sorry for the thyroid...

[CementPizza]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goitre

[HeatherAC]

Originally Posted by jkeithc82

The Duke?

Oh hell no.

Originally Posted by mr.symmetry

I've dealt with many of the downfalls of metabolic disorders in my clients and studied it through university work. Many of the statements that megaman says, I agree with. If somebody has hypothyroidism, it will affect their overall energy expenditure, no doubt. By how much? That is questionable and depends on the person. Under the right medication, which all who possess the condition should be, the expenditure limits are slim. In my personal exerience, it is an excuse and I have had extreme success with many clients who have such metabolic conditions. For energy expenditure to drop even 300 calories a day below estimated, all that person would do is lay in bed. And in that case, I agree your expenditure would be limited and that would make fat storage gains much easier to take place. For your average person who is out and about and exercises frequently yet blames a lack of results on such condition is likely using an excuse and like most excuses,that one sucks. Remember that life requires calorie expenditure. To live, to breath, to talk, to digest all requires energy-energy typically comes from calories in our food or fat storage. For somebody claiming to eat 1200 calories a day and gain weight because of a "thryroid" problem, is highly unlikely unless they are completely vegitated. Life burns calories, thyroid problem or not. Most weight issues will ultimately lie in energy intake and not energy expenditure. It is unfortunate that those with these conditions have to sacrifice a little more food and a little more time being active, but they are not slaves to weight gain.

Are you an endocrinologist?

Do you suffer from a thyroid disorder?

Are you a medical professional of any sort at all???

Do you have a close family member or friend with a thyroid condition?

If so, then all I see above is blah, blah, blah, blah..........and just an FYI, not every thyroid patient has the same issues or even the same level of deficiency.

Originally Posted by Belloc

reading heatherac's posts about how the doctors manage to find something new wrong with her everytime she goes there it's pretty clarifying.

Doctors need patients and drug companies need to sell pharmaceuticals and insurers insurance.

It's easy to pump sum1 gullible filled with meds and they won't realize that all their problems are inside their head and many are simple caused by toxic lifestyles

fat boys in boot camp aren't fat for that long, just saying

Hmmm....the gynecologist is a required visit if you're a woman. The only money they make off me is the money I pay for my birth control and at this point in my life I prefer that to the cost of a child.

I've been seeing a doctor for my hypothyroidism for the better part of 20 years and it is a clearly documented condition and the pill costs about $10 a month even withOUT insurance.

The CT scans from my ENT showed a visible blockage of my sinuses which was NOT a pharmaceutical correction.

My dermatologist corrected a clear problem on my hands that turns out to be known as "Housewife's Eczema"...a rather uncommon form of the condition, but one that with a $15 tube of cream has alleviated the problem within 24 hours and the tube has enough ointment in it to last me a lifetime.

I'd say that any of you who are sitting back at your PC and casting judgments and giving out advice to anyone with a thyroid condition should try experiencing it before you spout off with your beliefs, except I wouldn't wish this on anyone unnecessarily because if you don't realize what's happening it can be sheer misery.

FYI, fat boys in boot camp are generally given a complete physical and are under medical care so they are likely taking the proper meds. Also, are people with a thyroid deficiency even permitted to serve in the Armed Forces?

[mr.symmetry]

Originally Posted by CementPizza

Explain how I went from 170 to over 230 in under 4 months when my thyroid got damaged? My lifestyle didn't change. My habits didn't change. I didn't even know what a thyroid was at that time. I was a full time student, and had a part time job and walked 2 miles a day and lifted weights.

My story isn't isolated either. Many thyroid patients experience a rapid weight gain before they are diagnosed.

Once on treatment things are better but they are still hard. One of my docs told me on average it took 18 tries to get a patient on the correct meds.

It's not just a simple calorie in / vs calorie out formula. Like every other system in the body there is a synergistic effect when something goes out of wack.

Sometimes I can directly link my calories in and out to how much weight I lose or gain. Other times I can't. Even on the proper levels of medication my blood pressure and body temp are far below average.

Even at my weight my blood pressure is low. When things are working right and I feel good my body pretty much acts like a normal person's body. When things are off, it doesn't.

It's a moving target. It can't be simplified and dissmissed.

Neither Heather nor I claimed our weight was only because of our thyroid problems.

My initial weight gain was due totally to my thyroid being damaged.

My following weight gain was due to problems on my part.

It's more difficult for us to lose weight because there are so many more factors we have to address when doing so.

I agree that untreated, weight gain will be much more prevalent. That being said (for the purpose of the thread), it should be understood that fat doesnt just appear out of thin air. There must exist a caloric surpluss to gain fat, period. Fat is a real tangible tissue and it is going to exist due to a certain attempt by the body to maintain a balance. Yes, metabolic dissorders suck and when lifestyle and eating habits remain the same, even a small difference in calorie expenditure can add up quickly. Still, life requires energy (aka calories) and those must come from somewhere because they dont come from nowhere.

[HeatherAC]

Originally Posted by mr.symmetry

I agree that untreated, weight gain will be much more prevalent. That being said (for the purpose of the thread), it should be understood that fat doesnt just appear out of thin air. There must exist a caloric surpluss to gain fat, period. Fat is a real tangible tissue and it is going to exist due to a certain attempt by the body to maintain a balance. Yes, metabolic dissorders suck and when lifestyle and eating habits remain the same, even a small difference in calorie expenditure can add up quickly. Still, life requires energy (aka calories) and those must come from somewhere because they dont come from nowhere.

Please read this thread again to educate yourself on the other symptoms of an underactive thyroid - weight gain or difficulty losing weight are not the only symptoms and when coupled with the others are a recipe for physical disaster.

[dickhordishay]

Originally Posted by HeatherAC

Please read this thread again to educate yourself on the other symptoms of an underactive thyroid - weight gain or difficulty losing weight are not the only symptoms and when coupled with the others are a recipe for physical disaster.

I'm pretty much not a doctor by any means, but my opinion is:



EXERCISE DAMMIT!!!!!!

[KIDRR]

Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I am 6'4" 245lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought.What do you think. Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know.

[CementPizza]

Originally Posted by dickhordishay

I'm pretty much not a doctor by any means, but my opinion is:



EXERCISE DAMMIT!!!!!!

I've had 3 people tell me "You exercise more than anyone I know."

[HeatherAC]

Originally Posted by dickhordishay

I'm pretty much not a doctor by any means, but my opinion is:



EXERCISE DAMMIT!!!!!!

Pardon me, but who the hell said I don't?

And I thought you were putting me on ignore.

[SaxophoneDude]

Originally Posted by mr.symmetry

I agree that untreated, weight gain will be much more prevalent. That being said (for the purpose of the thread), it should be understood that fat doesnt just appear out of thin air. There must exist a caloric surpluss to gain fat, period. Fat is a real tangible tissue and it is going to exist due to a certain attempt by the body to maintain a balance. Yes, metabolic dissorders suck and when lifestyle and eating habits remain the same, even a small difference in calorie expenditure can add up quickly. Still, life requires energy (aka calories) and those must come from somewhere because they dont come from nowhere.

Yes, in the absence of energy input the body will slowly lose weight. There were no fat concentration camp survivors. However, in hypothyroid patients the body is not going to shed fat the way it would in a healthy patient. So sure, they could diet themselves down to a reasonable weight...but in that process I predict they'd experience debilitating fatigue and muscle wasting.

You drop an advanced hypothyroid patient down to 120lbs from 180 and you're not gonna get a 10% bf lean machine, you're gonna get a 25% bf, sick looking, skinny fat, tired person. Are they healthier just because they've lost weight? No, they're probably worse off.

For mild cases, though, I do agree with you.

[dickhordishay]

Originally Posted by HeatherAC

Pardon me, but who the hell said I don't?

And I thought you were putting me on ignore.

Nah, you're too fun to put on ignore. I'd miss every post of yours having stupid smiley and frowny and winky faces in them. It was you putting me on ignore, actually.

Plus, could you kiss any more ass??? Strong having a mod's quote in your signature line.

[HeatherAC]

Originally Posted by dickhordishay

Nah, you're too fun to put on ignore. I'd miss every post of yours having stupid smiley and frowny and winky faces in them. It was you putting me on ignore, actually.

Plus, could you kiss any more ass??? Strong having a mod's quote in your signature line.

That quote was put there long before he became a mod, but nice try.

Do you have a thyroid problem? Anything of substance to add to this thread besides flaming?

[IntensityX]

It's a glandular problem

[iamtheawesome]

Originally Posted by CementPizza

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goitre

Ballchinians?

My aunt just had thyroid surgery.

[HeatherAC]

Originally Posted by iamtheawesome

Ballchinians?

My aunt just had thyroid surgery.

How long ago?

The other thing most people don't know is that the treatment for an OVERactive thyroid leaves one with an UNDERactive thyroid so they get the worst of it going from one extreme to the other.

[mr.symmetry]

Originally Posted by HeatherAC

Oh hell no.

Are you an endocrinologist?

Do you suffer from a thyroid disorder?

Are you a medical professional of any sort at all???

Do you have a close family member or friend with a thyroid condition?

If so, then all I see above is blah, blah, blah, blah..........and just an FYI, not every thyroid patient has the same issues or even the same level of deficiency.

So every doctor needs to have experienced a thyroid problem???? I'm not an endocrinologist. However, I am 5 years into a degree in the medical profession and have sat in my fair share of lectures, discussions, and conferences to know the basic facts about metabolic disorders. I understand that every thyroid patient is different. I was speaking in generalities about metabolic disease as a whole. I have worked with countless clients who have a "thyroid" disorder and worked with many people who combined synthroid, good nutrition, and exercise to see phenomenal results. I am far from close minded, and I suggest you do look into the same idea of open mindedness.

[HeatherAC]

Originally Posted by mr.symmetry

So every doctor needs to have experienced a thyroid problem???? I'm not an endocrinologist. However, I am 5 years into a degree in the medical profession and have sat in my fair share of lectures, discussions, and conferences to know the basic facts about metabolic disorders. I understand that every thyroid patient is different. I was speaking in generalities about metabolic disease as a whole. I have worked with countless clients who have a "thyroid" disorder and worked with many people who combined syntrhoid, good nutrition, and exercise to see phenomenal results. I am far from close minded, and I suggest you do look into the same idea of open mindedness.

That is the exact point. Those who COMBINE proper medical treatment including Synthroid or other medicines with healthy lifestyle and habits will do very well, thus not using their thyroid condition as an excuse or crutch but rather as a condition that, with proper management, should not be a huge hindrance to leading a normal, healthy and fit life.

Have you not read my posts in this thread?????

Edit: Which medical degree are you 5 years into pursuing?

[mr.symmetry]

Originally Posted by HeatherAC

That is the exact point. Those who COMBINE proper medical treatment including Synthroid or other medicines with healthy lifestyle and habits will do very well, thus not using their thyroid condition as an excuse or crutch but rather as a condition that, with proper management, should not be a huge hindrance to leading a normal, healthy and fit life.

Have you not read my posts in this thread?????

Edit: Which medical degree are you 5 years into pursuing?

K, I think we are coming close to the same sheet of music here. I just got so sick of hearing the thyroid problem excuse and learned that yes, there are folks who have severe cases but most people are using that as an excuse. Everything has a bell shaped curve with out lyres. I have my BS in Exercise Science emphasis physiology and I am now in my masters program for human physiology. I want to pursue PA school after that.

[HeatherAC]

Originally Posted by mr.symmetry

K, I think we are coming close to the same sheet of music here. I just got so sick of hearing the thyroid problem excuse and learned that yes, there are folks who have severe cases but most people are using that as an excuse. Everything has a bell shaped curve with out lyres. I have my BS in Exercise Science emphasis physiology and I am now in my masters program for human physiology. I want to pursue PA school after that.

I'll reiterate, most people using their thyroid as an excuse have NEVER been diagnosed with actually having a thyroid condition.

Those of us who truly DO have a thyroid condition are so ****ing grateful that there's a reason for why we are the way we are and that there's a rather simple solution to correct it that we'd not take it for granted.

Seriously, I CRIED when the nurse told me that my thyroid was the reason for my problems after not taking my very low dose meds for a couple years because I was so damn thrilled that there was a real answer to why I felt the way I did.

Yes, there can be ups and downs and obstacles along the way such as being underdosed as I've also experienced, but even then I didn't gain any weight, I just didn't lose any either.

From what I've seen and heard from others, as well as my own experience, anyone with a legitimate thyroid problem is so happy to have an answer that they're also newly motivated to do everything they can to improve their health and fitness with the new lease on life that a simple tiny pill gives them that they'd not use it as an excuse for gaining additional weight. (I'm sure there are some out there that use it as an excuse but it's not the majority, and they should be slapped upside the head for stupidity)

Regarding some being more severe than others, it truly does vary. My particular dysfunction, Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, causes my body to create antibodies that attack my thyroid gland and over time have greatly decreased its function to being almost nonexistent.

The effects of being underactive are so gradual and cumulative that it's extremely difficult to notice that something is wrong which is why my being underdosed took me MONTHS to realize, but over time they can really wear a person down with the fatigue, lethargy and depression.