186-165 but doesnt seem like Ive lost.....

[RichL1982]

Well here are some pictures of my current cut. I really feel like im only losing muscle and no fat. I've just got off Mitotropin which Ive been running for the past 30 days. If I keep cutting to 150 I should be pretty cut. (hopefully)

4-05-09-182.6lbs


5.8.09 170.6lbs





5.27.09 167.2 (was down to 165.2 but had a rough weekend so this might just be water weight)






(sorry for the crappy pics, lighting was really bad.)

I really dont know if there is much fat loss, I feel like I lost a lot of muscle, but this could also be due to my shoulder injury. This Monday or possibly Friday I will start up my DS LX+Adrealean stack!!!!


Thanks,
Rich

[TheDivil]

I hate giving people advice because I honestly don't feel like I'm qualified to do so, my own physique certainly doesn't give me the right to be dishing out critiques. But one pointer I would respectfully give you is to not but so much emphasis on stacks and running stuff like Mitotropin, and concentrate more on a solid diet plan and kicking the **** out of a good cardio routine. There is a lot of bodyfat there, particularly evident on your stomach in the profile shot, and I think you could torch this really easily with some solid HIIT and a good diet. Then you'll start seeing the results you're looking for.

Lose the flab first to see what you're working with, THEN start worrying about stacks and stuff. Just my respectful two cents.

[andrewwww]

hows the diet? whats your routine?

[RichL1982]

Thanks for the much needed help. I know im really struggling to lose this fat. I've done it in the past before with every other day HIIT. But it seems like this time around Ive really not been motivated to do it, and have sort of been beating around the bush. The mid-section is the hardest part to lose. It seems like its just staying with me. My diet has been pretty good, I usually have a cheat meal once a week that sometimes will lead to a cheat day, but thats it. I get right back to my diet the very next day. Check out my Fitday acct to see my diet. (go back on the days to see what ive ate)

http://fitday.com/fitness/PublicJour...wner=Richl1982

Also I was following the Mitotropin diet/exercise plan. One thing though Ive had to stop doing any kind of shoulder workouts because of torn muscle tissue in my right shoulder. I was doing 20-30 min cardio almost every other day. No HIIT....which might be the key to losing this fat!

[CodyK7]

got to be the diet

[RichL1982]

Originally Posted by CodyK7

got to be the diet

???? Any suggestions? Or you just assuming?

[andrewwww]

dam dude..took a look at your fitday account, your basically in starvation mode..which i would say is holding onto your fat. your not even eating 2000calories a day

[gettinHUGEbrah]

diet! and no beer. (once i stopped drinkin beer and soda my gut dissapeared fairly quickly)

[brandonsfit]

You gotta give it time. Just keep on top of your diet and your workout routine and in time you'll get there. Don't get too down on the belly fat, either. That's the most conspicuous place we store fat. I can also tell you're losing belly fat, as it's obviously melting down.

[RichL1982]

Originally Posted by andrewwww

dam dude..took a look at your fitday account, your basically in starvation mode..which i would say is holding onto your fat. your not even eating 2000calories a day

Man see this is exactly what I was thinking. Mitotropin basically brought my appetite to nothing! Im off of Mitotropin today. Any suggestions on the type of diet I should be doing? And how many calories I need?

[andrewwww]

Well you should check the nutrition section, for more detailed info..What is your weight lifting routine like? or are you just doing cardio?

[ItstartsNOW]

You need to bulk. You look scraggly now, and if you lose more weight you will look even weaker. Trust me, I know from making the mistake of cutting first myself, so I am not saying this to be a dick.

You are just going to look weaker and weaker as you cut more. You need some muscle for a foundation so you will actually look good when you slim down.

[sl4vik]

Stop trying to think supplements are going to get you there.

You need to get your ass on the the treadmill and start running on an empty stomach. Then do some HIIT for 20 mins on off days.

I think you are taking the easy way out and getting bad results.

Also why are you eating 1600 calories with 125 carbs?? I'm eating 2250 calories with 100 carbs and losing pure fat and I weigh less than you.

Try the scivation diet cut you will have better success.

[perz16]

good gains

[RichL1982]

Originally Posted by ItstartsNOW

You need to bulk. You look scraggly now, and if you lose more weight you will look even weaker. Trust me, I know from making the mistake of cutting first myself, so I am not saying this to be a dick.

You are just going to look weaker and weaker as you cut more. You need some muscle for a foundation so you will actually look good when you slim down.

Well see this is the thing. I was going to start cutting when I hit 160, but it seems like im just losing muscle. Another thing is that I have pulled muscle tissue in my right shoulder, So I wont be able to bench press or do shoulder workouts!!! This is one thing that is hurting me also. And believe me I dont think your being a dick at all. Thanks very much for the feedback...I need to do something!!!!

Originally Posted by sl4vik

Stop trying to think supplements are going to get you there.

You need to get your ass on the the treadmill and start running on an empty stomach. Then do some HIIT for 20 mins on off days.

I think you are taking the easy way out and getting bad results.

Also why are you eating 1600 calories with 125 carbs?? I'm eating 2250 calories with 100 carbs and losing pure fat and I weigh less than you.

Try the scivation diet cut you will have better success.

Yes sometimes I do look for that magic pill. But that doesnt mean that I dont put in work at the gym. I have been really trying at the gym. Honestly not my 110% effort but I have injurys that I keep on babying. Ive also posted in the nutrition section about my diet. Which I was following the Mitotropin diet which consisted of 150g, 100g, 50g, 50g cycled carb intake. Which really sucked. Also Mito really through my appeite out the window. Im actually taking these next two days and going to eat what ever I want (sort of a carb load) and start up a new routine Friday. Im going to look to lose at least 5 more pounds of fat while keeping my Calories at around 2000-2100 and my carbs up. I will also look into this scivation diet....thanks guys...Really need this...

Originally Posted by perz16

good gains

[Kingbuddy]

Hey bro... I can see your working hard..but it defin looks like your losing a good portion of muscle as well as fat..... Im cutting right now... 215 down to 177 today...and you still got to be feeding ur muscles or your going to lose that hard earned muscle...

I would defin look into a BCAA supplement...they help prevent muscle breakdown..and should work wonders for you...

Also you need to be doing cardio everyday...and if its not HIIT then bump it up to 30-45 mins... even if this means gettin on the Excercise bike to get those last mins..

Post up your weekly workout... so I can see how it looks like and give some suggestions

[RichL1982]

Originally Posted by Kingbuddy

Hey bro... I can see your working hard..but it defin looks like your losing a good portion of muscle as well as fat..... Im cutting right now... 215 down to 177 today...and you still got to be feeding ur muscles or your going to lose that hard earned muscle...

I would defin look into a BCAA supplement...they help prevent muscle breakdown..and should work wonders for you...

Also you need to be doing cardio everyday...and if its not HIIT then bump it up to 30-45 mins... even if this means gettin on the Excercise bike to get those last mins..

Post up your weekly workout... so I can see how it looks like and give some suggestions

Thanks. Check out my log. I am taking in 200+ grams of protein every day. Also I was putting in cardio everyday.

Im currently looking for a good exercise routine that will EXCLUDE bench pressing and shoulder workouts. (yes this sucks) but Im doing a lot of harm to my shoulder and it has to heal.

[FsuNole7]

IMO, it looks like you don't have much muscle underneath your bulk.

I'm not trying to be offensive, only honest w/you. Your biceps developed nicely (looks like you're left handed) but your chest, core, and back look undeveloped....

I would cut down, and start over with a cleaner bulk, and just train harder in the gym. I might be totally wrong... but, it's JMO.

Good luck!

[sl4vik]

Originally Posted by RichL1982

Thanks. Check out my log. I am taking in 200+ grams of protein every day. Also I was putting in cardio everyday.

Im currently looking for a good exercise routine that will EXCLUDE bench pressing and shoulder workouts. (yes this sucks) but Im doing a lot of harm to my shoulder and it has to heal.

Run a week of Ibuprofen at 200mg in the morning and 200mg 8 hours later.

Should cure that shoulder right up and you will be able to train it while you take the pain killer/antinflammatory

Also do DB decline for chest, you won't feel your shoulder work AT ALL.

[shabaman]

If I were you I would lift more and eat 2500+ calories a day / high protein, low carbs. If you starve your body you will not only lose fat but also muscle..

[Vadim Beliaev]

Originally Posted by ItstartsNOW

You need to bulk. You look scraggly now, and if you lose more weight you will look even weaker. Trust me, I know from making the mistake of cutting first myself, so I am not saying this to be a dick.

You are just going to look weaker and weaker as you cut more. You need some muscle for a foundation so you will actually look good when you slim down.

this

[KRILLEN91]

how much u bench and squat?

[jblaisuri]

honestly, you don't have all that much to cut out to right now (no offense). You'd be better served by doing a clean bulk (high pro/mod carb/low fat) and increasing your muscle mass, because once the fat you have is gone you're looking at probably being 145-150ish.

Increase your caloric intake, which will increase your muscle mass, which will increase your metabolism, which will decrease your bodyfat, which will increase your overall appearance.

Also, stay away from stacks until you've seen what you can accomplish naturally. No need to shell out cash for potentially harmful substances when eating clean will still get you there.

just my .02

[RichL1982]

Originally Posted by FsuNole7

IMO, it looks like you don't have much muscle underneath your bulk.

I'm not trying to be offensive, only honest w/you. Your biceps developed nicely (looks like you're left handed) but your chest, core, and back look undeveloped....

I would cut down, and start over with a cleaner bulk, and just train harder in the gym. I might be totally wrong... but, it's JMO.

Good luck!

I was cutting lol. Bringing in 1,600-1,800 isnt bulking lol....but thanks

Originally Posted by sl4vik

Run a week of Ibuprofen at 200mg in the morning and 200mg 8 hours later.

Should cure that shoulder right up and you will be able to train it while you take the pain killer/antinflammatory

Also do DB decline for chest, you won't feel your shoulder work AT ALL.

I havent been to the doctor yet. In 2003 I tore muscle tissue in my right shoulder and its really never heald properly. I took a year off and it heald but now after lifting for a while its come back! I will give the Ibuprofen a shot but as for the pain killers I dont have any....Also havent tried Decline DB yet on this bum shoulder....

Originally Posted by shabaman

If I were you I would lift more and eat 2500+ calories a day / high protein, low carbs. If you starve your body you will not only lose fat but also muscle..

This sounds really reasonable, but when you say low carbs what do you mean? Low carbs to me when I was cutting is 50g. And I cant run on 50g carbs a day.

Originally Posted by Vadim Beliaev

this

Coming from you, this means more than you think...Thanks

Originally Posted by KRILLEN91

how much u bench and squat?

I dont max out on bench I usually just start out with 135x12, 185x10, 195x8, 210x6. But I havent done that for awhile. When my shoulder was better. The most Ive done was 225x6.

Originally Posted by jblaisuri

honestly, you don't have all that much to cut out to right now (no offense). You'd be better served by doing a clean bulk (high pro/mod carb/low fat) and increasing your muscle mass, because once the fat you have is gone you're looking at probably being 145-150ish.

Increase your caloric intake, which will increase your muscle mass, which will increase your metabolism, which will decrease your bodyfat, which will increase your overall appearance.

Also, stay away from stacks until you've seen what you can accomplish naturally. No need to shell out cash for potentially harmful substances when eating clean will still get you there.

just my .02

Everyone is suggesting a bulk. One thing though. I have never bulked before in my life. I've always been over weight. Eatting fast food, sodas etc. Im at my lightest weight I ever been at in the past 15 years probably. Also one stack that I really enjoyed was the AEN stack, which I still have a couple bottles of. PreSurge,IntrAbolic and IntraXcell...I will be using these.

[bluemoldycheeze]

I think you should be bulking more than cutting. Eat more to gain extreme amount of muscle so you can offset the fat on your body.

I'm in the somewhat same position I was like 165 lbs and got to 143lbs but still fat I could still lose 10 lbs but if I did I'd be 133 lbs that's as much as a girl lol.

So my problem is I need to gain muscle so I have more lean muscle weight. This will also allow you to eat more food the more muscle you have and you will be heavier.

becus no matter what even if you lose the weight, there is no muscle their to begin with so you can't show any muscles.

I also always eat fast food and soda. I would eat fast food 3x a day if not more lol.

I've stopped that now though becomes to expensive ;0.

Currently I weigh 155 I'm on my way to gain like 20 to 30 lbs of muscle and then cut my body fat and bulk up again.

I think a guy should weigh at least 170 or so if at medium height but of muscle not fat. I'm like 5'7.

But hopefully you choose to gain muscle. Good luck!

[Vadim Beliaev]

Originally Posted by RichL1982

Everyone is suggesting a bulk. One thing though. I have never bulked before in my life. I've always been over weight. Eatting fast food, sodas etc. Im at my lightest weight I ever been at in the past 15 years probably. Also one stack that I really enjoyed was the AEN stack, which I still have a couple bottles of. PreSurge,IntrAbolic and IntraXcell...I will be using these.

Keep in mind that bulking will give you more lean tissue, which in turn will be metabolically active, allowing you to burn more calories at rest.
So it may very well be that if you concentrate on building muscle at this point, you may actually LOSE the fat that you've been trying to lose all this time, while consuming many more calories.

My advice to you would be to calculate your macros, eat about a gram of protein per pound of bodyweight, with clean complex carbs and adequate fat intake.
Eat more frequently if you arent doing it already, and keep portions small.

[RichL1982]

Originally Posted by bluemoldycheeze

I think you should be bulking more than cutting. Eat more to gain extreme amount of muscle so you can offset the fat on your body.

I'm in the somewhat same position I was like 165 lbs and got to 143lbs but still fat I could still lose 10 lbs but if I did I'd be 133 lbs that's as much as a girl lol.

So my problem is I need to gain muscle so I have more lean muscle weight. This will also allow you to eat more food the more muscle you have and you will be heavier.

becus no matter what even if you lose the weight, there is no muscle their to begin with so you can't show any muscles.

I also always eat fast food and soda. I would eat fast food 3x a day if not more lol.

I've stopped that now though becomes to expensive ;0.

Currently I weigh 155 I'm on my way to gain like 20 to 30 lbs of muscle and then cut my body fat and bulk up again.

I think a guy should weigh at least 170 or so if at medium height but of muscle not fat. I'm like 5'7.

But hopefully you choose to gain muscle. Good luck!

Yeah, I feel like a featherweight but when I look in the mirror I still see the jiggle LOL. A little to obsessed. Ive almost totally took out the fast food. Except one time on the weekend Ill go for a cheat meal. Soda is pretty much if I do drink it DIET, I still take in about 1-2 gal of water a day. But thanks for your help.....I think best thing to do is clean bulk.

Originally Posted by Vadim Beliaev

Keep in mind that bulking will give you more lean tissue, which in turn will be metabolically active, allowing you to burn more calories at rest.
So it may very well be that if you concentrate on building muscle at this point, you may actually LOSE the fat that you've been trying to lose all this time, while consuming many more calories.

My advice to you would be to calculate your macros, eat about a gram of protein per pound of bodyweight, with clean complex carbs and adequate fat intake.
Eat more frequently if you arent doing it already, and keep portions small.

Ok that makes sense. Couple questions though. I used this calorie calculator http://www.freedieting.com/tools/cal...alculator.htm# and its saying my maintenance is 2490. So im guessing if I go with 2500 the first couple weeks, that really wont be to effective lol. So what If I go with 2600 the first couple weeks then move up from there? Also what kind of macro breakdown should I aim for?

Thanks for all your help people.....reps on recharge!

[kissrocks]

i can see it in your arms, u need to work stomach.

[jblaisuri]

Originally Posted by RichL1982

Everyone is suggesting a bulk. One thing though. I have never bulked before in my life. I've always been over weight. Eatting fast food, sodas etc. Im at my lightest weight I ever been at in the past 15 years probably. Also one stack that I really enjoyed was the AEN stack, which I still have a couple bottles of. PreSurge,IntrAbolic and IntraXcell...I will be using these.

that's fine, but you missed the point. I didn't mean to bulk as in eat a **** ton and we'll cut it out later, I meant a clean bulk.

I said it before, and I'll restate it:

Build muscle, which will increase your metabolic rate, which will burn more fat while filling out your body.

It's getting lean by bulking, if that makes sense. By increasing your muscle mass, you'll also decrease your body fat.

Seems like a better idea than cutting fat and muscle by eating 1800kcals a day, and then ending up 145lbs without much muscle. Eat 500 or so above maintenance, but make it CLEAN..... a lot of lean proteins (tuna, skinless chicken breasts, lean beef), moderate amounts of complex carbs (whole grains), and small amounts of good fats (nuts, omega-3s). I promise you you'll look better as long as your training is adequate.

[RichL1982]

Originally Posted by jblaisuri

that's fine, but you missed the point. I didn't mean to bulk as in eat a **** ton and we'll cut it out later, I meant a clean bulk.

I said it before, and I'll restate it:

Build muscle, which will increase your metabolic rate, which will burn more fat while filling out your body.

It's getting lean by bulking, if that makes sense. By increasing your muscle mass, you'll also decrease your body fat.

Seems like a better idea than cutting fat and muscle by eating 1800kcals a day, and then ending up 145lbs without much muscle. Eat 500 or so above maintenance, but make it CLEAN..... a lot of lean proteins (tuna, skinless chicken breasts, lean beef), moderate amounts of complex carbs (whole grains), and small amounts of good fats (nuts, omega-3s). I promise you you'll look better as long as your training is adequate.

Yeah I understand. Eat more calories and eat clean. Well my maintenace is 2490 according to this website http://www.freedieting.com/tools/cal...alculator.htm# so what if I go up to 2600 for the first week...and then move up from there?

This is what Ive come up with. What do you think?

http://fitday.com/fitness/PublicJour...wner=Richl1982