RPN Havoc / IBE Epistane for the newbies ! - Page 97

zypher1982 · 05-02-2009, 05:41 PM

I am about to start a Havoc cycle and my SERM PCT will be Torem (120-90-60-30). This will be the forst time I use Toremifene and can't find a decent deal online, best I could find was 220 USD for 100x30mg tabs. Am I looking on the wrong sites? I would really appreciate some help on torem sources. Email: nova_19_82@hotmail.com.

I am also planning on getting blood work done pre cycle, pre PCT and post PCT (will spawn a new thread for this).

Much appreciated.

bucknut22 · 05-04-2009, 08:52 PM

Just started my havoc cycle today. I was told by a few people who have experience with it that since it is my first cycle of anything, I should only do 20 mg during the entire cycle, but cycle lasting 6 weeks... anyone ever done this or know anything about it? Also taking Insuload (P-slin) and Milk Thistle with it. About to order some AI Cycle Support as well to add to the cycle.

_Smitty_ · 05-04-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bucknut22

Just started my havoc cycle today. I was told by a few people who have experience with it that since it is my first cycle of anything, I should only do 20 mg during the entire cycle, but cycle lasting 6 weeks... anyone ever done this or know anything about it? Also taking Insuload (P-slin) and Milk Thistle with it. About to order some AI Cycle Support as well to add to the cycle.

that's a potential mess and it's clear you've should've done a ton more research.

first, a 6-week methylated cycle, even at that dosage, is not advisable. nor is relying on milk thistle for your primary liver fortification support, especially when proven products like NAC and SAMe are available to you.

cycle support also contains saw palmetto which, literature has proven, competes for the same androgen receptors as does DHT, the testosterone derivation that composes havoc. it's still unknown whether this competition takes place at the pancreas or at skeletal muscle, but why take that chance?

bucknut22 · 05-04-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Smitty77

that's a potential mess and it's clear you've should've done a ton more research.

first, a 6-week methylated cycle, even at that dosage, is not advisable. nor is relying on milk thistle for your primary liver fortification support, especially when proven products like NAC and SAMe are available to you.

cycle support also contains saw palmetto which, literature has proven, competes for the same androgen receptors as does DHT, the testosterone derivation that composes havoc. it's still unknown whether this competition takes place at the pancreas or at skeletal muscle, but why take that chance?

Would you recommend 4 weeks at this dosage? What other supps would you recommend for this cycle? Thanks for the response.

dsade · 05-05-2009, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bucknut22

Would you recommend 4 weeks at this dosage? What other supps would you recommend for this cycle? Thanks for the response.

for your very first cycle, 4 weeks at 20 should be good. After 2.5-3 weeks, your gains should start to be dramatic. I trust you went over diet, etc. with Clint or Jeff?

HaynAnimal · 05-05-2009, 01:26 PM

Gonna start my first cycle of Havoc in a few months i think i got everything covered.......

Havoc 20/20/20/30

On cycle: Sport pharma Multi-V, I3C, NAC, SAMe, Hawthorn berry, Saw palmetto, Fish oil, Flax oil, B12

PCT: Tamoxifen citrate 20/20/20/20 (Trying to save some TC for another cycle later on could i get away with this?......cause i know most people would say 40/40/20/20)

i also have a new bottle of SNS inhibit-E i plan on using for PCT......Let me know if i need anything else...........Thanks

bucknut22 · 05-05-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dsade

for your very first cycle, 4 weeks at 20 should be good. After 2.5-3 weeks, your gains should start to be dramatic. I trust you went over diet, etc. with Clint or Jeff?

Haha, yes how did you know I got it from there? They were the ones tellin me that 6 weeks at 20 mg/day would be good.

shitfit · 05-05-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bucknut22

Haha, yes how did you know I got it from there? They were the ones tellin me that 6 weeks at 20 mg/day would be good.

Too bad you're not doing a log -- I'd be interested to see B/A pictures and your split (if you're not strength training).

dsade · 05-05-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bucknut22

Haha, yes how did you know I got it from there? They were the ones tellin me that 6 weeks at 20 mg/day would be good.

We're out of Hilliard.

bucknut22 · 05-05-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dsade

We're out of Hilliard.

You've prob been asked this a million times but, any suggestions for an OTC PCT? I just ordered some Thermolife T-bol and ill prob get some AI Post Cycle Support, but since im goin to only run it for 4 weeks, I don't have much time in finding a PCT.

dsade · 05-05-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bucknut22

You've prob been asked this a million times but, any suggestions for an OTC PCT? I just ordered some Thermolife T-bol and ill prob get some AI Post Cycle Support, but since im goin to only run it for 4 weeks, I don't have much time in finding a PCT.

I won't post it publicly, since I am formulating a product...but I would be glad to set up a PCT protocol for you in person.

Hit up Jeff or Clint at around week 3 of your cycle, and we can arrange a meeting at the store. I'll provide you with some items and give you a list of OTC stuff to pick up, as well as a thorough regimen.

IRON HORSE J · 05-05-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dsade

I won't post it publicly, since I am formulating a product...but I would be glad to set up a PCT protocol for you in person.

Hit up Jeff or Clint at around week 3 of your cycle, and we can arrange a meeting at the store. I'll provide you with some items and give you a list of OTC stuff to pick up, as well as a thorough regimen.

I love you

bucknut22 · 05-05-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dsade

I won't post it publicly, since I am formulating a product...but I would be glad to set up a PCT protocol for you in person.

Hit up Jeff or Clint at around week 3 of your cycle, and we can arrange a meeting at the store. I'll provide you with some items and give you a list of OTC stuff to pick up, as well as a thorough regimen.

You are the man, will do. Ill prob be there within the next week so Ill talk to them about getting together.

dsade · 05-05-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jhicks3301

I love you

Dammit...I'm sorry, dude.

Make you a deal....email your address to me. I will send you the intro package I told you about on consigmnent.

watchfan · 05-05-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dsade

I won't post it publicly, since I am formulating a product...but I would be glad to set up a PCT protocol for you in person.

Hit up Jeff or Clint at around week 3 of your cycle, and we can arrange a meeting at the store. I'll provide you with some items and give you a list of OTC stuff to pick up, as well as a thorough regimen.

I'd actually be interested in this too.. Havoc will be the next thing I run.. I already have two bottles I got awhile back and I'll most likely get some clomid as well.. but if its possible to go an otc route and just have the clomid handy, I'd much rather do that..

bucknut22 · 05-08-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ****fit

Too bad you're not doing a log -- I'd be interested to see B/A pictures and your split (if you're not strength training).

props for the idea bro

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=116187331

bucknut22 · 05-11-2009, 09:04 AM

Found this otc pct regimen, anyone know if this would be sufficient?

Weeks 1 ? 2

POST Cycle Support 2 Capsules in AM, 2 Capsules in PM with or without food

Cycle Support 1 scoop per day OR Life Support 2 capsules AM 2 capsules PM with or without food

I3C (indole-3-Carbinol) 200mg 3 times per day

Weeks 3 ? 4

POST Cycle Support 2 Capsules in AM, 2 Capsules in PM

I3C (indole-3-Carbinol) 200mg 3 times per day

Id prob add a test booster througout the entire cycle, thoughts?

Bluerunner13 · 05-12-2009, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dsade

I won't post it publicly, since I am formulating a product...

release date?

dsade · 05-12-2009, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluerunner13

release date?

probably late June...right now Thermogum is taking all of our resources.

Bluerunner13 · 05-12-2009, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dsade

probably late June...right now Thermogum is taking all of our resources.

that is great news, hopefully bb.com will have it prior to 2010!

bucknut22 · 05-12-2009, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dsade

I won't post it publicly, since I am formulating a product...but I would be glad to set up a PCT protocol for you in person.

Hit up Jeff or Clint at around week 3 of your cycle, and we can arrange a meeting at the store. I'll provide you with some items and give you a list of OTC stuff to pick up, as well as a thorough regimen.

Any way you can meet up this week? I have off of work all this week so it would be very easy for me to meet up on with you. If not thats fine too, let me know!

Big_Spaz · 05-12-2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bucknut22

Found this otc pct regimen, anyone know if this would be sufficient?

Weeks 1 ? 2

POST Cycle Support 2 Capsules in AM, 2 Capsules in PM with or without food

Cycle Support 1 scoop per day OR Life Support 2 capsules AM 2 capsules PM with or without food

I3C (indole-3-Carbinol) 200mg 3 times per day

Weeks 3 ? 4

POST Cycle Support 2 Capsules in AM, 2 Capsules in PM

I3C (indole-3-Carbinol) 200mg 3 times per day

Id prob add a test booster througout the entire cycle, thoughts?

Not bad. I like Vaughn's suggestion much better though -

Weeks 1&2 - Reversitol

Weeks 3&4 - Reversitol/PCS

Weeks 5&6 - PCS

-Spaz

dsade · 05-12-2009, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bucknut22

Any way you can meet up this week? I have off of work all this week so it would be very easy for me to meet up on with you. If not thats fine too, let me know!

I'm supposed to bring some Banish, Banish BCFC, Renegade, and the Renegade Balm out to the OSU Store this week sometime. Let me see which day I am scheduled for.

Shoot me an email at mpearson at recomp dot com.

bucknut22 · 05-12-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dsade

I'm supposed to bring some Banish, Banish BCFC, Renegade, and the Renegade Balm out to the OSU Store this week sometime. Let me see which day I am scheduled for.

Shoot me an email at mpearson at recomp dot com.

emailed you from my OSU account.

acrable · 05-22-2009, 06:11 AM

I want to do a 4 week cycle of Epistane with 4 weeks of PCT. Would Cycle Support during the cycle and then Cycle Support & Novedex XT during PCT be sufficient?

JOHNSONLOL · 05-26-2009, 05:19 PM

I will be starting to take havoc in a couple of weeks and was looking to get some advice on PCT. I have been lifting regularly for about 3 years now, am about 215 and 5'10". I am basically trying to gain lean mass. Any input would be much appreciated.

Havoc- week 1-10mg to 20mg
week 2-20 to 30 mg
week 3-30mg
week4-30mg or 40 mg
along with Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support, whey protein, casein, and serious mass.

PCT- Tamoxifen-week 1-40mg
week 2-30 mg
week 3-20mg
week 4-10 mg
along with anabolic innovations Post Cycle Support, and some type of creatine. Do I need additional supplements for PCT such as Novedex XT, 60x0 or PCT by anabolic extreme? Just wanted to know if these would be overkill and dont wanna cause any delayed gyno. Thanks.

watchfan · 05-26-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by acrable

I want to do a 4 week cycle of Epistane with 4 weeks of PCT. Would Cycle Support during the cycle and then Cycle Support & Novedex XT during PCT be sufficient?

Most likely not.. do more research.

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Originally Posted by JOHNSONLOL

I will be starting to take havoc in a couple of weeks and was looking to get some advice on PCT. I have been lifting regularly for about 3 years now, am about 215 and 5'10". I am basically trying to gain lean mass. Any input would be much appreciated.

Havoc- week 1-10mg to 20mg
week 2-20 to 30 mg
week 3-30mg
week4-30mg or 40 mg
along with Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support, whey protein, casein, and serious mass.

PCT- Tamoxifen-week 1-40mg
week 2-30 mg
week 3-20mg
week 4-10 mg
along with anabolic innovations Post Cycle Support, and some type of creatine. Do I need additional supplements for PCT such as Novedex XT, 60x0 or PCT by anabolic extreme? Just wanted to know if these would be overkill and dont wanna cause any delayed gyno. Thanks.

Don't need to dose nolva that high let alone for a week.. maybe a day or so.. but I'd use clomid over nolva..

JOHNSONLOL · 05-26-2009, 05:42 PM

So maybe start with 30 mg of nolva? So the nolva and post cycle support are a good enough pct? Are there any other products that can be used for a better PCT?

JonnieRingo · 06-03-2009, 11:04 AM

Quick question guys, 1st off this thread is old, but a lot of great information!

I'm starting my first cycle now. Like Blount recommended for newbies. Goes like this:
Week 1 - 10mg / day
Week 2 - 20mg / day
Week 3 - 20 mg / day
Week 4 - 30 mg / day

Questions are: Do I take the 10mg pills at the same time, or spread them out every 6-12 hours or so (on days when I'm taking 2-3 pills of course)? Empty stomach or after a meal? An hour before workout? Is it ok to take Liver Fix / Support DURING cycle or wait til after?

I'm excited about the potential results. I'm 37, 6'3, been stuck at 220-225lbs, training for a few years. Also taking protein (of course), creatine, glutamine and BCAAs. N.O. pre-workout too. Thank you for any help / input. I'm new at this PH/ PS stuff and learning a lot from these boards...

chargerfn909 · 06-03-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JonnieRingo

Quick question guys, 1st off this thread is old, but a lot of great information!

I'm starting my first cycle now. Like Blount recommended for newbies. Goes like this:
Week 1 - 10mg / day
Week 2 - 20mg / day
Week 3 - 20 mg / day
Week 4 - 30 mg / day

Questions are: Do I take the 10mg pills at the same time, or spread them out every 6-12 hours or so (on days when I'm taking 2-3 pills of course)? Empty stomach or after a meal? An hour before workout? Is it ok to take Liver Fix / Support DURING cycle or wait til after?

I'm excited about the potential results. I'm 37, 6'3, been stuck at 220-225lbs, training for a few years. Also taking protein (of course), creatine, glutamine and BCAAs. N.O. pre-workout too. Thank you for any help / input. I'm new at this PH/ PS stuff and learning a lot from these boards...

Best way to do it is take a pill with a meal containing at least 5-15 grams of fat. So if your taking 30mg one with b/fast, one lunch and of course din! Hope that helps