Is the 7-OH in Driven Sports Lean Xtreme something else?

asuguy · 02-16-2009, 10:15 PM

Designer Supplements Lean Xtreme it says:

7-OH (7-Hydroxy-Dehydrorepiandrosterone)

Driven Sports Lean Xtreme it says:

7-OH (3b,7-dihydroxy-5-Etioallocholen-17-one)

What the hell is this?

also, why does bb.com still show the OLD "Designer Supplements" label? I mean its been a while.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/dr...eanxtreme.html

This is the correct label info:

http://www.getds.com/LX%20Label.pdf

and while there are thousands of references on google for 7-Hydroxy-Dehydroepiandrosterone, the only one for 3b,7-dihydroxy-5-Etioallocholen-17-one is from DS pdf listed above.

asuguy · 02-17-2009, 06:51 AM

bump.

stinky6857 · 02-17-2009, 07:23 AM

i say bring this to the supplement science section. they will have responses for you.

Vitruvian · 02-17-2009, 07:24 AM

Also, link it to sldge via PM

Kid Amnesiac · 02-17-2009, 07:33 AM

I'm taking a month off from working out & adrenalean & lean xtreme are going to be my two main supplements to keep any bad weight off along w/ the cardio i will be doing. The layoff will be due to a few serious injuries. Lean Xtreme is great, I have 5.5 bottles!!!

Robboe · 02-17-2009, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asuguy

Designer Supplements Lean Xtreme it says:

7-OH (7-Hydroxy-Dehydrorepiandrosterone)

Driven Sports Lean Xtreme it says:

7-OH (3b,7-dihydroxy-5-Etioallocholen-17-one)

What the hell is this?

Same stuff, just different nomenclature.

asuguy · 02-17-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Robboe

Same stuff, just different nomenclature.

proof?

dizi24 · 02-17-2009, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asuguy

proof?

Proof?

That's like someone telling you 8+8+8 is the same way as writing 8x3, and then asking the person for proof.

asuguy · 02-17-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dizi24

Proof?

That's like someone telling you 8+8+8 is the same way as writing 8x3, and then asking the person for proof.

no its not. words are not linear equations. please no more trolling.

asuguy · 02-17-2009, 07:04 PM

ok contiune here

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=114247041

MattMatt12341 · 02-17-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dizi24

Proof?

That's like someone telling you 8+8+8 is the same way as writing 8x3, and then asking the person for proof.

hes right.

quigs · 02-17-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by asuguy

no its not. words are not linear equations. please no more trolling.

Well how do you want it proven? He is right, they are the same compound with different nomenclature. If you do not believe it, or want further info, I'd suggest picking up an organic chemistry text book. Many will have other systems of nomenclature other than IUPAC.

haiz69 · 02-17-2009, 07:27 PM

7-OH = 7-OH, no matter how you write it out.

Also, BB.com is slow with changing labels. Its not up to DS.

imFASTERthenU · 02-17-2009, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quigs

Well how do you want it proven? He is right, they are the same compound with different nomenclature. If you do not believe it, or want further info, I'd suggest picking up an organic chemistry text book. Many will have other systems of nomenclature other than IUPAC.

this x2

Sldge · 02-18-2009, 09:08 AM

If putting product info on BB were up to us you would see quite a few changes, like the full Lean Xtreme write up, the Designer product info would be taken down, the correct labels would be up etc. It has nothing to do with us, its BB.

Type the word synonym into google. There are multiple words that mean the same thing which look and are spelled completely different, just as 8x3= 24 and 8+8+8=24 then end result is still the same thing.

Its all 7OH.

Robboe · 02-18-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by asuguy

proof?

See this link for DHEA:

http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/625903.html

One of the synonyms is 3-beta-Hydroxy-5-androsten-17-one, which can also be written 3-beta-Hydroxy-5-etioallocholen-17-one. 7OH is the 7-hydroxyl metabolite of DHEA (i.e. an extra hydroxy group at the 7th position). Therefore, by adding that in there, we have two hydroxy groups - one at the 3b position and one at the 7th position (hence dihydroxy). Putting this altogether we now have 3b,7-dihydroxy-5-Etioallocholen-17-one.

7-Hydroxy-Dehydrorepiandrosterone == 3b,7-dihydroxy-5-Etioallocholen-17-one

Same way of writing the same thing, therefore...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sldge

Its all 7OH.

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The reason for the change, by the way, was because too many people were mistaking 7-OH-DHEA to be "a basic DHEA product", or "just a fancy way of writing 7-keto". Its not, it is much more than that, so it was changed for the release under DS.

asuguy · 02-20-2009, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robboe

See this link for DHEA:

http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/625903.html

One of the synonyms is 3-beta-Hydroxy-5-androsten-17-one, which can also be written 3-beta-Hydroxy-5-etioallocholen-17-one. 7OH is the 7-hydroxyl metabolite of DHEA (i.e. an extra hydroxy group at the 7th position). Therefore, by adding that in there, we have two hydroxy groups - one at the 3b position and one at the 7th position (hence dihydroxy). Putting this altogether we now have 3b,7-dihydroxy-5-Etioallocholen-17-one.

7-Hydroxy-Dehydrorepiandrosterone == 3b,7-dihydroxy-5-Etioallocholen-17-one

Same way of writing the same thing, therefore...

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The reason for the change, by the way, was because too many people were mistaking 7-OH-DHEA to be "a basic DHEA product", or "just a fancy way of writing 7-keto". Its not, it is much more than that, so it was changed for the release under DS.

now that was easy. I wonder why it was so hard for the rest of you to post something like this? Robboe = good person.

Vitruvian · 02-21-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by asuguy

now that was easy. I wonder why it was so hard for the rest of you to post something like this? Robboe = good person.

You've gotta be kidding? Would've been even easier on everyone involved if you had looked it up yourself.

Progressive8 · 05-21-2009, 01:05 PM

Im glad I found this thread, I am on my fourth cycle of LX since the very first version by Designer supps. I was wondering about the nomenclature too, Im suprised you guys were all over the OP, I looked it up and couldnt find it either, and since im not a chemist...lol ^_^U. So far it's working well, keep up the great work Driven Sports.