teens + supplements don't = massive

[Jswizzelsticks]

Originally Posted by The Italian Oak

Teens + Genetics = MASSIVE hahahaha lol Yeah buddy!!!!!!! lolol


If you don't have genetics you don't got ****!!!!

thrue that if u dont got it an du try to get it....and u still soem how get it your body will look nothing like the ones that are sapposed to have it

[tomterp]

i agree nothing known to man can emimonate hard work supplements will increace your work out capiblites as well as bring you closer to your goals.

positive rep points pls

[Mark_2009]

What the H** are you an idiot! Of course supplements won't work if you are lazy and think by taking supplements and lifting for a half an hour will put on muscle mass. But most people who have half a brain should know that by taking supplements, with a good diet, and hard work in the gym will crush plateaus and bring them to higher levels. If used correctly their not wasting their money only using it to help them. Do some research before you make assumstions!

[neeltrdco]

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[ProMuscle]

Right on, this is a good post. Its deff true. You need to work hard first, and take supplements later. Although supplements do help you to some degree.

[e.m.]

[wheelman2002]

i heard creatine is bad in long run. that its water and once you stop taking it you deflate is it true i'm freakin' out. somebody please help

[Red_Cobra]

I personally take Whey protein, Creatine, and Glutamine in addition to a healthy diet and rigorous workout program, and I have to say that creatine has helped me exponentially. I think that the main problem is that teens think that they can slack off in the gym, take supplements and they will be huge in no time. This is not the way to go, because these supplements only work if you use them right in addition to a solid workout program. Personally, I couldn't imagine not using them because they really do increase energy and help to add some solid muscle mass if you're on the skinny side, which I was.

[wheelman2002]

becouse really i am mesomorph and when i heard about thet i got freaked out i knew it was bs thanks

[kcast91]

no but.............teens + supplements + disipline = good gains

[BreakdownHit]

Alright listen up everyone...

It's been a long time since I've posted on these boards, I usually just check in once in a while for ideas for my workouts, but I feel like I need to enlighten all of you on supplements.

When I first started lifting I was supplement crazy. I worked at GNC, so I could basically get and use whatever I wanted. Whey protein? I've tried many brands. Creatine? Been there, done that. Amino acids? Yup. Multi-Vitamins? You betcha. You name it, I've taken it (asides from the illegal stuff obviously...). For a while, I swore by these supplements. In fact, I felt bad for people that didn't take them and I actively encouraged taking them. My workouts just seemed so much more intense, my gains seemed so much better, and my muscles seemed so much harder. Eventually I had to quit my job at GNC and go off to college. Living on a budget and not having any income meant that using supplements would have to come to an end. However, I continued lifting most days and focusing on my health. You know what I noticed at the end of the day? Without supplements, my workouts were just as intense as they always were, my gains were just as good as they've always been, and my muscles were as hard as they've ever been. You know what I changed? Other than taking supplements, absolutely nothing.

From taking classes and doing research on my own (I'm a biology major, med-school bound) I've come to many realizations. Probably the most important is that ALL, I repeat, ALL sports supplements are nothing more than expensive placebos. I will never, EVER, pay another dollar for sports supplements (other than Gatorade maybe), and I'll explain why, supplement by supplement.

1.) Protein Powders
If you are serious about weightlifting, you should also be serious about eating a healthy diet. If you eat a healthy diet, you are already eating enough protein!!! It is a PROVEN FACT that protein from supplements are less completely digested than protein from foods, and when people substitute these protein supplements for food, it can be downright dangerous. It's true that athletes need more protein than the average person, but it is not an extreme amount more, which is pretty much what everyone on this website believes. There is EVIDENCE that 1-1.5 grams of protein per KILOGRAM (NOT POUND) of body weight can help with physical activity (not building your muscles).

My advice: Stay away from protein powders. If you eat a healthy diet, they are simply unnecessary. In the world of nutrition, more does not equal better!!! If you feel that you need more protein, eat more meat, not expensive powders.

2.) Amino Acids
A book I have best explains these:
"Advertisers point to research that identifies the branched chain amino acids as the main ones used as fuel by exercising muscles. What the ads leave out is that compared to glucose and fatty acids, branched-chain amino acids provide very little fuel and that ordinary foods provide them in abundance anyway. Large doses of branched-chain amino acids can raise plasma ammonia concentrations, which can be toxic to the brain. Branched-chain amino acids supplements are neither efective nor safe and are not recommended."

My advice: Stay away from amino acids. Your body is not built to take them in such concentrations and they can actually be harmful to your health. Again, eat more meat and eat the pyramid.

3.)Creatine
Here's a quick biology lesson. When you're going through athletic activity, your body goes through different phases to make energy. The first phase is anaerobic, which requires no oxygen. This whole process lasts for about 2-3 minutes. After that, your body makes energy for itself in an aerobic way, requiring oxygen. This is where the majority of your energy for workouts comes from. Where does creatine factor into this? Well, creatine is the first step on the ladder. Your body uses creatine to create ATP for approximately 2-3 seconds. Right after that, your body uses glucose and pyruvate to create ATP. Then after about 3 minutes comes that aerobic process. This uses glucose, amino acids, and fatty acids to create ATP. What am I trying to say? Well, the point I'm trying to make is that creatine is not a very big factor in creating ATP in your body. Your body makes creatine and you eat in meats. From this, you usually have around 1 gram in your body. The only reason that would merit taking a creatine supplement is if you had a creatine deficiency, and currently there is no creatine deficiencies in the world, so chances are you don't have one. Best case scenario for creatine users? About 2-3 seconds of improvement in their workout, and that's if they're naturally low on creatine, and they'd have to be eating a grossly bad diet for a long period of time to be low on creatine.

My advice: Stay away from creatine. The long term effects of it are completely unknown, and at best it will provide you with 2-3 seconds of improvement.

4.) Multivitamins
Similar to all the other supplements I talked about, if you eat a normal, healthy diet, you get all the vitamins and minerals you need. Many of you think: more vitamins = better health. When in fact its more like: enough vitamins = healthy, more vitamins = wasted, or potentially toxic and unhealthy. The American food supply is one of the most fortified food supplies in the world, therefore you get more than enough vitamins through a normal, healthy diet.

My advice: A multivitamin is probably the least dangerous supplement you can take. If you feel so strongly about it you can probably take it and you won't get any bad side effects, but your body most likely isn't using any of the vitamins and they're ending up in your feces and urine.


The fact of the matter is that the placebo effect in sports supplements is huge. The only supplement that suggests better performance is sports drinks like gatorade, and that's only after about 2 hours of intense physical activity.

Almost all supplements are unnecessary for normal healthy people, like most of you on this board. In fact, many of these supplements can be harmful. The only reason many of them aren't banned is because supplements are considered 'food'. So regulation of supplements would be like regulating potato chips or carrots. The only way a supplement can be taken off the shelves is if it is proven 100% beyond a reasonable doubt, dangerous.

Please everyone, stop taking supplements and just eat a healthy diet. It is incredibly better for you and your body will thank you.

If any of you want me to cover any other supplements, feel free to ask.

[imthefrigginman]

Hey i guess im new at this.Let me introduce myself , my name is David im 14,about5"6 and about 130 pounds.About 9 months ago i was 170.I lost alot of weight by eating healthy and exercising.The problem is that i didnt eat enough,and i didnt eat enough protein.By doing that i lost fat but i also lost muscle.Alot of muscle.Now im eating enough protein, and food so im sure ill gain muscle,but i wanted to know a few things.I was thinking about getting some whey powder to take before and after a workout,and also mabe as a side thing for meals that dont contain enough protein.So my question is,what should i eat, what supplements should i take and when should i take them,and i was also wondering if someone could give me a good workout plan,but i only have 2 5lb free weights and 2 10lb free weights also what should i eat?and how much,private message me plz

[Fon7ana]

i was gonna start using NO Explode before they told me creatine will pop u in Navy drug tests. grrr

[Fon7ana]

Originally Posted by BreakdownHit

1.) Protein Powders
If you are serious about weightlifting, you should also be serious about eating a healthy diet. If you eat a healthy diet, you are already eating enough protein!!! It is a PROVEN FACT that protein from supplements are less completely digested than protein from foods, and when people substitute these protein supplements for food, it can be downright dangerous. It's true that athletes need more protein than the average person, but it is not an extreme amount more, which is pretty much what everyone on this website believes. There is EVIDENCE that 1-1.5 grams of protein per KILOGRAM (NOT POUND) of body weight can help with physical activity (not building your muscles).

I eat about 75-80 grams of protein on just eggs, milk, chicken, and tuna and other whole foods. Protein Powders are PROTEIN, so i don't see what is so bad about filling the gap with shakes. It cant be hurting.

[imthefrigginman]

Hey i guess im new at this.Let me introduce myself , my name is David im 14,about5"6 and about 130 pounds.About 9 months ago i was 170.I lost alot of weight by eating healthy and exercising.The problem is that i didnt eat enough,and i didnt eat enough protein.By doing that i lost fat but i also lost muscle.Alot of muscle.Now im eating enough protein, and food so im sure ill gain muscle,but i wanted to know a few things.I was thinking about getting some whey powder to take before and after a workout,and also mabe as a side thing for meals that dont contain enough protein.So my question is,what should i eat, what supplements should i take and when should i take them,and i was also wondering if someone could give me a good workout plan,but i only have 2 5lb free weights and 2 10lb free weights also what should i eat?and how much,private message me plz

plz private message me

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[raynersa]

I Agree Andy...I'd like to add to the issue of taking supplements.The thing is, your body can only absorb and use 30g of protein every 4 hours! so why stack on a 80g protein shake when your body will simply reject 50g leaving it useless! a waste of money!

The key to getting BIG is to get yourself in Anabolic state...Keep your protein levels on standard and you'll see results. Avoid getting Cross as much as possible! when you do your body releases Cortizol which then causes your body to go into Catabolic state,aka the breaking down of muscle.

Get at least 8 hours of sleep every day..it's da only way you can turn to Anabolic state,is when you sleep.

[Atr91]

all of ur protein should come from food not just supplements .. i hate wen people dont even eat and take it and say ohh it has protein in it .. it bothers me soo much but its not my problem ... all im saying is use supplements when you feel that u didnt eat right in that day or if u want 2 have it when your goin 2 sleep

[wheelman2002]

hey atr91 i comletely agree i got this book abs diet by david ( forgot last name) but he is the editor for menshealth and i strongly suggest to everyone on bodybuilding.com community to read this asap not only does it tell you your power foods it also tells you when is a good time to eat and naturally you can get your sixpack. but with no2 and creatine and whey we try to speed up the process. we all cheat but exersice we will never cheat you wanna look good you know what to do but please read the book you will see the difrence. summer is coming and i cant wait hope all of you are ready for summer

[ps2cho]

Originally Posted by BreakdownHit

Alright listen up everyone...

It's been a long time since I've posted on these boards, I usually just check in once in a while for ideas for my workouts, but I feel like I need to enlighten all of you on supplements.

When I first started lifting I was supplement crazy. I worked at GNC, so I could basically get and use whatever I wanted. Whey protein? I've tried many brands. Creatine? Been there, done that. Amino acids? Yup. Multi-Vitamins? You betcha. You name it, I've taken it (asides from the illegal stuff obviously...). For a while, I swore by these supplements. In fact, I felt bad for people that didn't take them and I actively encouraged taking them. My workouts just seemed so much more intense, my gains seemed so much better, and my muscles seemed so much harder. Eventually I had to quit my job at GNC and go off to college. Living on a budget and not having any income meant that using supplements would have to come to an end. However, I continued lifting most days and focusing on my health. You know what I noticed at the end of the day? Without supplements, my workouts were just as intense as they always were, my gains were just as good as they've always been, and my muscles were as hard as they've ever been. You know what I changed? Other than taking supplements, absolutely nothing.

From taking classes and doing research on my own (I'm a biology major, med-school bound) I've come to many realizations. Probably the most important is that ALL, I repeat, ALL sports supplements are nothing more than expensive placebos. I will never, EVER, pay another dollar for sports supplements (other than Gatorade maybe), and I'll explain why, supplement by supplement.

1.) Protein Powders
If you are serious about weightlifting, you should also be serious about eating a healthy diet. If you eat a healthy diet, you are already eating enough protein!!! It is a PROVEN FACT that protein from supplements are less completely digested than protein from foods, and when people substitute these protein supplements for food, it can be downright dangerous. It's true that athletes need more protein than the average person, but it is not an extreme amount more, which is pretty much what everyone on this website believes. There is EVIDENCE that 1-1.5 grams of protein per KILOGRAM (NOT POUND) of body weight can help with physical activity (not building your muscles).

My advice: Stay away from protein powders. If you eat a healthy diet, they are simply unnecessary. In the world of nutrition, more does not equal better!!! If you feel that you need more protein, eat more meat, not expensive powders.

2.) Amino Acids
A book I have best explains these:
"Advertisers point to research that identifies the branched chain amino acids as the main ones used as fuel by exercising muscles. What the ads leave out is that compared to glucose and fatty acids, branched-chain amino acids provide very little fuel and that ordinary foods provide them in abundance anyway. Large doses of branched-chain amino acids can raise plasma ammonia concentrations, which can be toxic to the brain. Branched-chain amino acids supplements are neither efective nor safe and are not recommended."

My advice: Stay away from amino acids. Your body is not built to take them in such concentrations and they can actually be harmful to your health. Again, eat more meat and eat the pyramid.

3.)Creatine
Here's a quick biology lesson. When you're going through athletic activity, your body goes through different phases to make energy. The first phase is anaerobic, which requires no oxygen. This whole process lasts for about 2-3 minutes. After that, your body makes energy for itself in an aerobic way, requiring oxygen. This is where the majority of your energy for workouts comes from. Where does creatine factor into this? Well, creatine is the first step on the ladder. Your body uses creatine to create ATP for approximately 2-3 seconds. Right after that, your body uses glucose and pyruvate to create ATP. Then after about 3 minutes comes that aerobic process. This uses glucose, amino acids, and fatty acids to create ATP. What am I trying to say? Well, the point I'm trying to make is that creatine is not a very big factor in creating ATP in your body. Your body makes creatine and you eat in meats. From this, you usually have around 1 gram in your body. The only reason that would merit taking a creatine supplement is if you had a creatine deficiency, and currently there is no creatine deficiencies in the world, so chances are you don't have one. Best case scenario for creatine users? About 2-3 seconds of improvement in their workout, and that's if they're naturally low on creatine, and they'd have to be eating a grossly bad diet for a long period of time to be low on creatine.

My advice: Stay away from creatine. The long term effects of it are completely unknown, and at best it will provide you with 2-3 seconds of improvement.

4.) Multivitamins
Similar to all the other supplements I talked about, if you eat a normal, healthy diet, you get all the vitamins and minerals you need. Many of you think: more vitamins = better health. When in fact its more like: enough vitamins = healthy, more vitamins = wasted, or potentially toxic and unhealthy. The American food supply is one of the most fortified food supplies in the world, therefore you get more than enough vitamins through a normal, healthy diet.

My advice: A multivitamin is probably the least dangerous supplement you can take. If you feel so strongly about it you can probably take it and you won't get any bad side effects, but your body most likely isn't using any of the vitamins and they're ending up in your feces and urine.


The fact of the matter is that the placebo effect in sports supplements is huge. The only supplement that suggests better performance is sports drinks like gatorade, and that's only after about 2 hours of intense physical activity.

Almost all supplements are unnecessary for normal healthy people, like most of you on this board. In fact, many of these supplements can be harmful. The only reason many of them aren't banned is because supplements are considered 'food'. So regulation of supplements would be like regulating potato chips or carrots. The only way a supplement can be taken off the shelves is if it is proven 100% beyond a reasonable doubt, dangerous.

Please everyone, stop taking supplements and just eat a healthy diet. It is incredibly better for you and your body will thank you.

If any of you want me to cover any other supplements, feel free to ask.

Reps my friend. Good information

[ps2cho]

Originally Posted by Fon7ana

i was gonna start using NO Explode before they told me creatine will pop u in Navy drug tests. grrr

Thats incorrect. I have no idea where you heard that.

[My_Last_Life]

Originally Posted by Natetan

Yeah you are right. BUt think about this.

Two kids have the same routine and both work equally hard during the workout.

One kids gets 100g protein per day.
The other gets 200g protein per day.

Obviously the kid with the 200 g will probably have better results. Everyone knows working hard and staying on task and settings goals are incredibly important, but whey protein and maybe creatine arent hurting anyone.

What does one person consuming 100g protein per day and the other consuming 200g per day have to do with supplements?

In that case, it has nothing to do with supplements but with diet.

[SurferStyle*]

yeah you don't need suppliments

i've Never Taken any suppliments and it's worked well for me

[My_Last_Life]

Originally Posted by e.m.

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lol!

[Fon7ana]

Originally Posted by BreakdownHit

My advice: Stay away from protein powders. If you eat a healthy diet, they are simply unnecessary. In the world of nutrition, more does not equal better!!! If you feel that you need more protein, eat more meat, not expensive powders.

umm i think if u calculated price/protein ratio from buying meat and protein powders.. u would save money going with the powders.. not that u should rely strictly on powders... but think about it

[dlim1120]

hey.. ive been lifting for about a year now.. sticking with basic movements and heavy weights and ive supplemented with ON's whey, a decent diet, multi-V's, and fish oil but anybody try thermogain from muscletech? sounds interesting.. creatine + thermogenic

[SpencerSpencer]

Supplements supplement your work out, they help. They can function positivity two ways it is either biologically or psychologically (placebo effect). Can we at least agree on that? Which is why I don't understand the title.

[Flex2009]

Originally Posted by SurferStyle*

yeah you don't need suppliments

i've Never Taken any suppliments and it's worked well for me

Youre not exactly the biggest guy on the block either Nor am i.But every good workout magazine(flex M&F Ironman ect)says to go somewhere like 60/40 60% food 40% supplements. they were created to help out. do u think any pro got to the top without some supplements that were available at the time thats why bodybuilders have kept getting bigger,always improving supps.
hard work isnt an option its a priority. but to put on as much mass as possible why not improve your odds with supplements.

[nopainnogain69]

very true ^^^^^^ but like me im a little 130 pound kid who is just starting to lift weights and i wish i could take that stuff but i know its not going to do anything possitive for me

[Dreeze]

Originally Posted by ANDY.OG

Some teens in this website are looking for the easy way out. It is really p***ing me off. You don't need to take supplements to be big. I like protein as much as everyone else but you get protein from a good diet.

So f*** if you feel like crap in the gym after several sets that doesn't mean you need to take creatine. Feeling like crap after some extreme reps is just natural and it is showing you that your work out is extreme and thats a good thing.

Fat loss tablets are for losers. They can't be bothered to lose weight them selves and put in the hard work.

These supplements are not miracles in a bottle. It takes hard work and time to become massive. I don't say that i am massive because i am far from what i want to be. I am sure some bitches on here will say well what do you bench then but i don't care. Atleast i aint throwing my money away and i don't lie about my lifts.

When you feel that the supplements are not working like what you want them to be you will only move on to worse or quit. the best thing to do is eat correctly, sleep and dedication.
peace out

I look for you when I have a question because you know what your talking about. Thanks.

[Flex2009]

Originally Posted by nopainnogain69

very true ^^^^^^ but like me im a little 130 pound kid who is just starting to lift weights and i wish i could take that stuff but i know its not going to do anything possitive for me

supplements would help you out man, i wish iwould have started out with them and i wouldve been way bigger then i am now.
If you Work compound excercises like the squat bench and barbell row and deadlift and supplement with protein powder and creatine your gains will be amazing then when you get as big as you want you can start refining the body parts you want to get better