problems w a personal trainer, found on bb.com

[scoobysnacks]

Originally Posted by Flynn

Daviess rest assured that JT (scooby) is very good at what he does and I would take advantage of the offer.

Thanks Flynn, it just pisses me off to hear this ****.

[brett123]

Flynn,
whats up my friend. I have seen you around and I believe i judged you at OCB show in Illiniois 2007. Its amazing how a site like this can lift you up as a GURU, as I have trained and done supplement programs for hundreds of people over the past two years. I studied nutrition science at the Univ of Illinois, and I have been a wnbf pro for 5 years.I have studied under some of the best established "gurus" in the sport. I will put my edyucation and knowledge up against virtually anyone in this industry. Shannon davies was "let go" as a client, the only one ever from all my time on bodyspace!!!! This is because she did not have the capacity to follow my plan. My plans are tailored to each individual to insure success. I am the nutritionist, the client is paying me for my care, concer, education and 24 years of competing and helping people with nutrition and supplements. 99.99% of my clients will attest to my unique knowledge and care for their help and success in the area on nutrition, supplementation, and training. Many people can start out with a very similiar macronutrient profile , based upon LBM, bodyfat %, bloodtype, and other factors that i use o make a plan. NO ONE IS ON THE SAME PLAN, AS WE PROGRESS AND MOVE TOWARDS GOAL FULFILLMENT. Ms. Davies thought she would rely upon things other than sound nutrition and supplements to get in shape which may have caused some health problems during our 4 weeks as Nutritionist and client> My website clearly states there are no Refunds after i do my initial work and send out the plans. Because i am more than fair and ethical, i promised her that i would refund all but $129 (my hour long consult fee) if she did not comply with my plan. She never complied with anything. in her own words, "Shannon does not like to listen to anyone.". Well, she proved that, and I refunded the promised amount of money even though I rendered services, and we were 4 weeks into my acting as her nutrition consultant. My clients love my service!!!!!!!! Read the dozens of names of people who have had Treamendous success using my principles!
FOLKS< READ THE TESTIMONIALS ON MY WEBSITE, davevignasse.com and let your brain make the obvious conclusion, Ms. Daviess is a frustrated LIAR !!!!!
I wish you all success, especially you Flynn. By the way, my physique was the first evidence that i know nutrition inside and out, and I am 43 yrs old. You take a look at my picyures and draw your own conclusions....NO STEROIDS Either, Ms daviess









Flynn,

Originally Posted by Flynn

Daviess rest assured that JT (scooby) is very good at what he does and I would take advantage of the offer.

[imccarthy]

Originally Posted by brett123

Flynn,
whats up my friend. I have seen you around and I believe i judged you at OCB show in Illiniois 2007. Its amazing how a site like this can lift you up as a GURU, as I have trained and done supplement programs for hundreds of people over the past two years. I studied nutrition science at the Univ of Illinois, and I have been a wnbf pro for 5 years.I have studied under some of the best established "gurus" in the sport. I will put my edyucation and knowledge up against virtually anyone in this industry. Shannon davies was "let go" as a client, the only one ever from all my time on bodyspace!!!! This is because she did not have the capacity to follow my plan. My plans are tailored to each individual to insure success. I am the nutritionist, the client is paying me for my care, concer, education and 24 years of competing and helping people with nutrition and supplements. 99.99% of my clients will attest to my unique knowledge and care for their help and success in the area on nutrition, supplementation, and training. Many people can start out with a very similiar macronutrient profile , based upon LBM, bodyfat %, bloodtype, and other factors that i use o make a plan. NO ONE IS ON THE SAME PLAN, AS WE PROGRESS AND MOVE TOWARDS GOAL FULFILLMENT. Ms. Davies thought she would rely upon things other than sound nutrition and supplements to get in shape which may have caused some health problems during our 4 weeks as Nutritionist and client> My website clearly states there are no Refunds after i do my initial work and send out the plans. Because i am more than fair and ethical, i promised her that i would refund all but $129 (my hour long consult fee) if she did not comply with my plan. She never complied with anything. in her own words, "Shannon does not like to listen to anyone.". Well, she proved that, and I refunded the promised amount of money even though I rendered services, and we were 4 weeks into my acting as her nutrition consultant. My clients love my service!!!!!!!! Read the dozens of names of people who have had Treamendous success using my principles!
FOLKS< READ THE TESTIMONIALS ON MY WEBSITE, davevignasse.com and let your brain make the obvious conclusion, Ms. Daviess is a frustrated LIAR !!!!!
I wish you all success, especially you Flynn. By the way, my physique was the first evidence that i know nutrition inside and out, and I am 43 yrs old. You take a look at my picyures and draw your own conclusions....NO STEROIDS Either, Ms daviess









Flynn,

This post is so full of douchebaggery it is absolutely sickening.

[brett123]

You check oput my website, davevignasse.com
I am one of the hardest working, educated, and accomplished nutritionists/trainers anywhere, my friend. My dozens of clients from bodyspace write about and live it everyday. Shannon is a liar and need to take her meds more often. wish you much success, everyone should use their brain instead of listening to slander. DO THE RESEARCH FOLKS, my clients kick butt in their shows and are healthier than they have ever been, because I am very qualified and very much care about people

Originally Posted by scoobysnacks

Thanks Flynn, it just pisses me off to hear this ****.

[imccarthy]

Originally Posted by imccarthy

This post is so full of douchebaggery it is absolutely sickening.

Originally Posted by brett123

You check oput my website, davevignasse.com
I am one of the hardest working, educated, and accomplished nutritionists/trainers anywhere, my friend. My dozens of clients from bodyspace write about and live it everyday. Shannon is a liar and need to take her meds more often. wish you much success, everyone should use their brain instead of listening to slander. DO THE RESEARCH FOLKS, my clients kick butt in their shows and are healthier than they have ever been, because I am very qualified and very much care about people

Although this one is pretty bad too.

[brett123]

read the facts, my picturless friend. What are your credentails. What pro org do you compete in?? What is your education background and contest history????...lol....thats what i thought

Originally Posted by imccarthy

This post is so full of douchebaggery it is absolutely sickening.

[brett123]

Not very impressive vocabulary.

Originally Posted by imccarthy

Although this one is pretty bad too.

[imccarthy]

Originally Posted by brett123

read the facts, my picturless friend. What are your credentails. What pro org do you compete in?? What is your education background and contest history????...lol....thats what i thought

Shut up! Seriously!

Everything you post is attacking others. Who cares if you've been training for 96720376 years without steroids and have an absolutely amazing body if all you do is put down others? Nobody cares about your amazing education blah blah blah if the best you can come up with is saying that someone that complains about your service just "needs to take her pills more often". Seriously? Come on!

Your supreme arrogance is just astounding.

And please, please learn how to spell.

[imccarthy]

Originally Posted by brett123

Not very impressive vocabulary.

What? I made no spelling or grammar errors in that post.

I'm inclined to think you are a troll only here to rip people off considering you failed to spell "learn" correctly.

[daviess]

Oh is brett123 trying to declare himself AS THE BEST AGAIN!! lol what a joke.
now you ppl see what i am talking about! wow.

[FitnessDiva22]

Originally Posted by imccarthy

What? I made no spelling or grammar errors in that post.

I'm inclined to think you are a troll only here to rip people off considering you failed to spell "learn" correctly.

I am a client of Dave Vignasee and I also train with him in person 3 days a week in the gym. My trainer is by far one of the most knowledgable respectable individuals on this site. The slanderous remarks made towards Dave in regards to his termination of Ms. Davies are outrageous and very childish. I feel that this should have never gotten to this point and Shannon has no right to drag Dave's good name through the mud. He did refund her money, and the small amount that he did keep was for the amount of time he did spend with her over several weeks. I do not know of any trainers who would refund you any amount especially after working with a client for four weeks. Dave trains tons of satisfied people on bodyspace as well as in ten other countries. He is in no way an arrogant self centered individual as some of you claim him to be. He is a very self-less caring individual who bends over backwards for people who want to make a positive lifestyle change. I am saddened that Shannon has gone to this extreme instead of handling this in a more mature fashion. I have nothing against Shannon I wish her much success in the industry, but honestly handling this issue like this is completely inappropriate. I stand behind my trainer and I know that I have had tremendous results over my offseason. I will be competing in 8 weeks then on to Nationals this year with the help of Dave's unbridled knowledge and expertise. I hope that the horrible comments and and consistent badgering come to an end and everyone can move on. Dave has the education, experience, and 24+ years in the industry backing him. I know him as a person and he does not deserve to be treated the way he has just because Shannon did not agree with his plan and felt that she was more knowledgeable in regards to her own training. No one has the right to judge him based on false accusations. I feel that the mature way to handle any disagreemnet between a trainer and client should be held confidential. I wish everyone involved the best and hope this comes to an end.

[Vadim Beliaev]

both of you sound like little kids.

and daviess theres no need to plaster this **** all over the forums, PM a mod to resolve this issue.

[daviess]

Originally Posted by FitnessDiva22

I am a client of Dave Vignasee and I also train with him in person 3 days a week in the gym. My trainer is by far one of the most knowledgable respectable individuals on this site. The slanderous remarks made towards Dave in regards to his termination of Ms. Davies are outrageous and very childish. I feel that this should have never gotten to this point and Shannon has no right to drag Dave's good name through the mud. He did refund her money, and the small amount that he did keep was for the amount of time he did spend with her over several weeks. I do not know of any trainers who would refund you any amount especially after working with a client for four weeks. Dave trains tons of satisfied people on bodyspace as well as in ten other countries. He is in no way an arrogant self centered individual as some of you claim him to be. He is a very self-less caring individual who bends over backwards for people who want to make a positive lifestyle change. I am saddened that Shannon has gone to this extreme instead of handling this in a more mature fashion. I have nothing against Shannon I wish her much success in the industry, but honestly handling this issue like this is completely inappropriate. I stand behind my trainer and I know that I have had tremendous results over my offseason. I will be competing in 8 weeks then on to Nationals this year with the help of Dave's unbridled knowledge and expertise. I hope that the horrible comments and and consistent badgering come to an end and everyone can move on. Dave has the education, experience, and 24+ years in the industry backing him. I know him as a person and he does not deserve to be treated the way he has just because Shannon did not agree with his plan and felt that she was more knowledgeable in regards to her own training. No one has the right to judge him based on false accusations. I feel that the mature way to handle any disagreemnet between a trainer and client should be held confidential. I wish everyone involved the best and hope this comes to an end.

believe me i did try. he has been ignoring all my emails for a week!! i told him i would go to the boards and tell ppl the truth about his non-custom plans, and that he should settle things w me professionally. he ignored all emails! why would he do that if he thought he was in the right?
i paid for a custom plan, i did not get one THAT IS WHY I DROPPED HIM WHEN I FOUND THAT OUT. that is false advertising. and now he is saying he dropped me?? lol
what is the truth? u know as you wrote me after i dropped him asking why....
i was w him for 3 weeks yes, and in that time he provided no support that i should pay for, we conversed mayb 3 times on the net in which i was asking about his plan execution when i got it.

also can i ask u this and u answer truthfully? did dave tell you about this thread and ask u to respond in it?? prob.
i really wish i kept the emails and u could see how not nice and caring he was when i told him i wasnt happy and dropped him. he said rude things about other ppl on this site, and said good luck making it far w out him among other things declaring himself theee best. and 'good luck' sarcastically

[Flynn]

Originally Posted by FitnessDiva22

I wish everyone involved the best and hope this comes to an end.

Each side has stated their position(s), so at this point, I think that is the most salient advice. Daviess, you have another offer on the table and Brett your work will speak for itself. Best of luck to all those competing!!!

[stayfit2008]

yea,..this is starting to get wierd. Lesson learned,..you can't please everyone. My advice,..go your sepperate ways,..drive on!

[daviess]

Originally Posted by stayfit2008

yea,..this is starting to get wierd. Lesson learned,..you can't please everyone. My advice,..go your sepperate ways,..drive on!

fine lesson learned and i will move on.
as he will cont to contact who ever is on top viewed profiles.. offer his services.. and then turn around and act like he got their body to where it is! lol what a joke.
supermaine and others got to where they are on their own and it is sad he tries to take all the credit, in the meantime letting others believe that.. and sign up w him through this manipulation. oh well i cant warn everyone. they will see the truth eventually because his cockiness and putting down of others and other trainers in nauseating when u collaborate with him.

[stayfit2008]

It's rather wierd when money is involved,..The trainer feels the info he learned and created working plans shoud deserve some type of monetary compensation and the client may feel jipped out of what he or she was promised. It's tough for both. I went through it but I decided the plan I was paying for just wasn't for me,..I had no hard feelings toward the trainer, just didnt feel it was the right plan for me. I did pay what I owed and saught out another trainer. Maybe if Iwas patient enough I would have achieved similar results.
I am actually training three guys in the over 35 section,..one already took his overall Novice Bodybuilding competition and two others started out at 215lbs. and in 4 months are down to 180-185lbs. and are considering competing. I didnt ask for money because I wanted to see how the diets work,..kinda like an experiement if you will. I dont think brett is a bad guy and do respect the clients testimonials,...I think you will find the chemistry between you and a trainer soon that will help lead you to your goals.

[filo01]

isnt bret123 banned? wtf

[daviess]

Originally Posted by filo01

isnt bret123 banned? wtf

yes i hope so. and i hope he stays off. i have had many ppl email me since posting this thread w similar exp, or just to tell me he did not sit right w them at all and with him contacting them and such. u have no idea. many bad vibes from ppl. something is not right here, and a little bigger than what happened w me i think. and i am glad i followed my instinct.i really do u hope he stays of this site. he is not a good person.

[richieirish]

congradulations to daviess for highlighting this scam artist!! yes and those "clients" who are defending him are the same ones he gives $75 to for each new customer they send to him! (whats the going rate for defending him in threads?) as for him bringing up the whole "steroid" issue, that just shows how unprofessional he is! bodyspace needs more people like davies and less of the people like BRETT123 . . . . . . oh wait, were already less one of them

[justboo2u]

Originally Posted by thickmass

I think everybody should rep Scooby.

Done!

Originally Posted by brett123

Flynn,
whats up my friend. I have seen you around and I believe i judged you at OCB show in Illiniois 2007. Its amazing how a site like this can lift you up as a GURU, as I have trained and done supplement programs for hundreds of people over the past two years. I studied nutrition science at the Univ of Illinois, and I have been a wnbf pro for 5 years.I have studied under some of the best established "gurus" in the sport. I will put my edyucation and knowledge up against virtually anyone in this industry. Shannon davies was "let go" as a client, the only one ever from all my time on bodyspace!!!! This is because she did not have the capacity to follow my plan. My plans are tailored to each individual to insure success. I am the nutritionist, the client is paying me for my care, concer, education and 24 years of competing and helping people with nutrition and supplements. 99.99% of my clients will attest to my unique knowledge and care for their help and success in the area on nutrition, supplementation, and training. Many people can start out with a very similiar macronutrient profile , based upon LBM, bodyfat %, bloodtype, and other factors that i use o make a plan. NO ONE IS ON THE SAME PLAN, AS WE PROGRESS AND MOVE TOWARDS GOAL FULFILLMENT. Ms. Davies thought she would rely upon things other than sound nutrition and supplements to get in shape which may have caused some health problems during our 4 weeks as Nutritionist and client> My website clearly states there are no Refunds after i do my initial work and send out the plans. Because i am more than fair and ethical, i promised her that i would refund all but $129 (my hour long consult fee) if she did not comply with my plan. She never complied with anything. in her own words, "Shannon does not like to listen to anyone.". Well, she proved that, and I refunded the promised amount of money even though I rendered services, and we were 4 weeks into my acting as her nutrition consultant. My clients love my service!!!!!!!! Read the dozens of names of people who have had Treamendous success using my principles!
FOLKS< READ THE TESTIMONIALS ON MY WEBSITE, davevignasse.com and let your brain make the obvious conclusion, Ms. Daviess is a frustrated LIAR !!!!!
I wish you all success, especially you Flynn. By the way, my physique was the first evidence that i know nutrition inside and out, and I am 43 yrs old. You take a look at my picyures and draw your own conclusions....NO STEROIDS Either, Ms daviess

Flynn,

When I first saw this post I thought that it looks just like the propaganda/material he likely has on his website.... errors and all!

Tho I have never requested/made use of the services of a trainer (at least not yet), I doubt I would ever consider anything but face2face contact... for just this reason!

As far as Dave-V is concerned... (IMO) If you did not consider the comments of the recepient of your 'custom' program you are as 'in the wrong' as your ex-client.

And that's the name of THAT tune!

[daviess]

Originally Posted by richieirish

congradulations to daviess for highlighting this scam artist!! yes and those "clients" who are defending him are the same ones he gives $75 to for each new customer they send to him! (whats the going rate for defending him in threads?) as for him bringing up the whole "steroid" issue, that just shows how unprofessional he is! bodyspace needs more people like davies and less of the people like BRETT123 . . . . . . oh wait, were already less one of them

yep! and now he is emailing all his clients & friends and demanding that they msg bb.com and ask to let him back on here, and report back to him w what was said and who they talked to. lol :P

diet and training attached if anyone wants a look to compare if u are using him.

[latimus]

Originally Posted by daviess

yep! and now he is emailing all his clients & friends and demanding that they msg bb.com and ask to let him back on here, and report back to him w what was said and who they talked to. lol :P

diet and training attached if anyone wants a look to compare if u are using him.

sucks that it came to this. I dont know either of you. but it has hurt not only his rep and buisness but it hurt your prep. to bad it couldnt of been resolved before this all happened. diet looks basic, I would have had way diffrent choices at certain times, I am not goign to go into detail that would take awile and I am not going to start a bashing thread on someone I dont know at all.
I like his excel template though. for someone who is dieting they can plug there numbers into it and keep track on there computer. can be a useful tool for someone who cant afford prep or just for everyday track records.

good luck to both of you.

[thickmass]

Yes thanks for the customized diet "template"

I am very wary of this brett123 fellow... why cant he use his own name rather than brett123?

[runnerj]

Sorry to hear of your difficulities with Dave...it's unfortunate you were not able to work out your differences.

I'm a beginner and my experience with Dave has been much more positive. Dave initially provided me with a basic nutrition plan (similar to yours...but we're all eating lots of lean proteins, brown rice and oatmeal ;-) and he has modifed the plan three times based on feedback from me and progress made over the initial weeks of the program. I had a lot to learn about nutrition, and have learned a lot from Dave along the way. I have found him to be available to discuss questions and explain the 'whys' of the program. We will be changing the program up in another week to shift from building to cutting. Could I have learned many of the same things here in the bodybuliding.com fourms...absolutely yes...could I have had someone to answer my questions, expalin the 'whys' and adjust along the way...probably not (lots of folks here are helpful in many ways...but it's no one's job to know and spend time with me...but I am open to the possibilities ;-).

Likewise, we started off with a basic exercise program, and have moved to more advanced routines along the way. The program is again very similar to Shannon's, with slight differences. It seems a good general program, which is what I wanted, and would fully expect Dave to work up a back intensive or arm intensive program if that was my goal. Beyond the program (also easy to find many many good programs online), Dave coached my on technique and intensity. Once again, having him available to talk to was the real difference.

Overall, I think I'm getting what I paid for...in my area the cost of a 12 week program is equivalent to about 4 sessions with a personal trainer...with the first being used to weight-in, measure and discuss goals. For the money I got an initial building plan (with updates), a basic exercise plan, a more advanced plan and finally a cutting plan. I've probably talked to Dave over 20 times during the first 8 weeks and exchanged a dozen or so e-mails and have found him to be helpful, friendly and (obviously) accessable.

Results wise, I have been very pleased...I'm not genitically gifted and have to eat really well and work really hard to get gains (as I know many of you do as well!!!)...and have made better progress over the last 9 weeks than I typically do, so for that reason alone it's been worth it to me. I also think I've learned quite a bit from Dave and that will help me well beyond the end of the program.

I will note that Dave has never asked me to push his program, nor suggested any bounty for leading clients to him...and not sure i would even agree that is an unscrupulous business practice.

[Arlecchino]

The mod who banned him left his e-mail in the ban notice. I can say this with 100% certainty.

If anyone else has any negative experiences of the sort mentioned in the OP, please contact me via PM.

[MattyH7688]

Originally Posted by Arlecchino

The mod who banned him left his e-mail in the ban notice. I can say this with 100% certainty.

If anyone else has any negative experiences of the sort mentioned in the OP, please contact me via PM.

ctqblue didnt when he banned me like a month ago lol

[rdowww]

I agree, Dave has done a great job with me and is always there 24/7.

Originally Posted by FitnessDiva22

I am a client of Dave Vignasee and I also train with him in person 3 days a week in the gym. My trainer is by far one of the most knowledgable respectable individuals on this site. The slanderous remarks made towards Dave in regards to his termination of Ms. Davies are outrageous and very childish. I feel that this should have never gotten to this point and Shannon has no right to drag Dave's good name through the mud. He did refund her money, and the small amount that he did keep was for the amount of time he did spend with her over several weeks. I do not know of any trainers who would refund you any amount especially after working with a client for four weeks. Dave trains tons of satisfied people on bodyspace as well as in ten other countries. He is in no way an arrogant self centered individual as some of you claim him to be. He is a very self-less caring individual who bends over backwards for people who want to make a positive lifestyle change. I am saddened that Shannon has gone to this extreme instead of handling this in a more mature fashion. I have nothing against Shannon I wish her much success in the industry, but honestly handling this issue like this is completely inappropriate. I stand behind my trainer and I know that I have had tremendous results over my offseason. I will be competing in 8 weeks then on to Nationals this year with the help of Dave's unbridled knowledge and expertise. I hope that the horrible comments and and consistent badgering come to an end and everyone can move on. Dave has the education, experience, and 24+ years in the industry backing him. I know him as a person and he does not deserve to be treated the way he has just because Shannon did not agree with his plan and felt that she was more knowledgeable in regards to her own training. No one has the right to judge him based on false accusations. I feel that the mature way to handle any disagreemnet between a trainer and client should be held confidential. I wish everyone involved the best and hope this comes to an end.

[daviess]

Originally Posted by latimus

sucks that it came to this. I dont know either of you. but it has hurt not only his rep and buisness but it hurt your prep. to bad it couldnt of been resolved before this all happened. diet looks basic, I would have had way diffrent choices at certain times, I am not goign to go into detail that would take awile and I am not going to start a bashing thread on someone I dont know at all.
I like his excel template though. for someone who is dieting they can plug there numbers into it and keep track on there computer. can be a useful tool for someone who cant afford prep or just for everyday track records.

good luck to both of you.

yea it does suck . but you know what i am kind of glad it happend now. because since then some more Bad truths about him has come to light! he should NOT be on here. period. and just to not again, i emailed him many times telling him i would go to the boards and mods, if he didnt 'at least' write me back. and i didnt want to take that step. but he did not. and i stick to my word.

you not what else is sad? that he gives this same workout plan to a girl that's goal is to bulk... and i am in contest prep... doesnt make sense. i have had countless emails from ppl saying they have had sim exp with him. they werent happy w their workouts and he ignored them. etc etc
and also that he is DEMANDING that all his clients email bb.com mods telling them he is good and let him back on here, and then report back to him telling him who they talked to and what was said-hence the ppl that prob wrote above. i guarantee he told them to. lmao.

this is beyond if he is a good trainer now, it is beyond that and moved to he is not a good person. VERY SHADY CHARACTER

[imccarthy]

I think it's time to close this thread.