crazy kidney pains ? on h-drol

[Mouzer]

Originally Posted by SEEGS

question::

I plan on taking reversitol 3/2/2/1 as I was normally going to even though I stopped early. However, should I still take Lean FX and Activate xtreme for my PCT? or could I save them for another time?

In my opinion only take the Reversitol. Just let yourself get all the way better and save those other supps for a later time. Keep us updated as the week progresses

[cacodaemon]

Originally Posted by AFOX

The night before I went in I urinated more than normal, but no problems with that the next day. I would not rule it out just because you are not having an issue with urinating. You're description is exactly what I was having with my kidney stone. Oral steriods wreak havoc on your kidneys, not just your liver.

Dose the pain and cramping in you're right side come and go?

I just got over a bad case of kidney stones at the end of a dym cycle. I didn't having problems peeing but my urine had a fair amount of blood in it. To the OP, your symptoms sound very similar to mine. Might want to ask the doctor if they checked for stones. Depending on the size and consistency, not all stones are easy to see via CT, xray, or ultrasound.

My stones were diet related.

[AFOX]

Originally Posted by cacodaemon

I just got over a bad case of kidney stones at the end of a dym cycle. I didn't having problems peeing but my urine had a fair amount of blood in it. To the OP, your symptoms sound very similar to mine. Might want to ask the doctor if they checked for stones. Depending on the size and consistency, not all stones are easy to see via CT, xray, or ultrasound.

My stones were diet related.

Thats what I have been telling him. Mine was to big to pass, but they could not see it when they tired to do the treatment where they break it up. So they I went in for surgery, and they still could not find it. They put a stint in( yes through the penor, but I was out ofr it), and two weeks later they went in again, and got it out. Before they put the stint in, it was one of the most painful experinces of my life.

Mine was at the end of a cycle too, so I find that to big of a coincidence, People don't realize how hard oral steriods are on the kidneys. I recommend cranberry extract for kidney health on cycle.

[cacodaemon]

Originally Posted by AFOX

Thats what I have been telling him. Mine was to big to pass, but they could not see it when they tired to do the treatment where they break it up. So they I went in for surgery, and they still could not find it. They put a stint in( yes through the penor, but I was out ofr it), and two weeks later they went in again, and got it out. Before they put the stint in, it was one of the most painful experinces of my life.

Mine was at the end of a cycle too, so I find that to big of a coincidence, People don't realize how hard oral steriods are on the kidneys. I recommend cranberry extract for kidney health on cycle.

Mine was too big to pass as well. It was 5mm and got stuck. They put me out, shoved a catheter up my tool and went in that way. When I woke up they pulled out the catheter which hurt like a mofo. I had a stent put in as well. I was then peeing out urine for the next 3 days that burnt like battery acid and it was redder than Hawaiian Punch. They took the stent out a few days later. I was sure that was going to hurt as well, but it just felt weird. Mt stent was about 2 feet long.

And you are right, the pain was f'ing brutal. I wouldn't wish that kind of pain on my worst enemy. I have a female friend that has had stones and kids. She rated the stones more painful than birth.

[AFOX]

Originally Posted by cacodaemon

Mine was too big to pass as well. It was 5mm and got stuck. They put me out, shoved a catheter up my tool and went in that way. When I woke up they pulled out the catheter which hurt like a mofo. I had a stent put in as well. I was then peeing out urine for the next 3 days that burnt like battery acid and it was redder than Hawaiian Punch. They took the stent out a few days later. I was sure that was going to hurt as well, but it just felt weird. Mt stent was about 2 feet long.

And you are right, the pain was f'ing brutal. I wouldn't wish that kind of pain on my worst enemy. I have a female friend that has had stones and kids. She rated the stones more painful than birth.

I hear ya bro, mine was 6mm. That burning urination and bloody pee sucked, I was lucky to have the stint put in and taken out while I was out. Good for you that I didn't hurt, but just the thought of them pulling out a 2 foot stint makes me happy I was out.

The pain was so intense, that there would be times where i was pounding my fist on the floor screaming with at the top of my lungs. I hope for the OP's sake, that he doesn't have them.

[K Rock 12]

if it hurts pushing in the middle of your stomach it could be your pancreas considering it does sit behind your stomach..i had to go to the hospital for pancreatitis about a month ago and I'm almost positive it's because I took H-Drol and was on Prednisone at the same time..definately sucked..really bad..couldnt even stand up straight thats when i new it was time to go to hospital..my enzyme levels were over 600 when normally there supposed to be under 100..

[Hansolo261]

op the only advice in this thread you should follow is go to the doc and do what he tells you. The last thing you want to do is pile on creatine and all this other crap and potentially make your problem worse. Hopefully you can do pct.

[Flex500]

Originally Posted by SEEGS

yea, i am praying that I will be able to see my dr. tomorrow.

I find it bizzare i started experiencing these front pains after my second set of ball crunches. I stopped in the middle of the set bc it felt as if my right side of my ab cramped on me.

I'll never forget learning about mcburney's point in college...

http://www.answers.com/topic/mcburney-s-point

Lie down and push there....you feel pain....go to a doctor NOW. If you have an appendix issue it will hurt/feel weird there. either way I would just go to like an urgent care place tonight...why not.

[SEEGS]

Originally Posted by AFOX

The night before I went in I urinated more than normal, but no problems with that the next day. I would not rule it out just because you are not having an issue with urinating. You're description is exactly what I was having with my kidney stone. Oral steriods wreak havoc on your kidneys, not just your liver.

Dose the pain and cramping in you're right side come and go?

Not really... it's a bit better.. i kinda feel a dull pain in my nuts when i bend down n all lol.... I'm going to the doctor tomorrow so I'll have to see what he thinks.

[SEEGS]

Originally Posted by cacodaemon

I just got over a bad case of kidney stones at the end of a dym cycle. I didn't having problems peeing but my urine had a fair amount of blood in it. To the OP, your symptoms sound very similar to mine. Might want to ask the doctor if they checked for stones. Depending on the size and consistency, not all stones are easy to see via CT, xray, or ultrasound.

My stones were diet related.

I will for sure ask him about that possibilty... I don't see any blood in my urine or anything but i know that doesn't make it certain to rule it out.

[cacodaemon]

Originally Posted by SEEGS

I will for sure ask him about that possibilty... I don't see any blood in my urine or anything but i know that doesn't make it certain to rule it out.

It won't always be obvious that there is blood in it. My urine was just a little bit darker prior to getting diagnosed with the stones.

[FromPainToGlory]

any updates OP?

[Acetyl-CoA]

Threads like this should be a sticky... not that garbage that was stickied recently that didn't contain some more clear evidence of the horrors of PHs as this thread does.

OP: was it worth it to take the h-drol? What are your goals with h-drol that a test booster like AX or MassFX can't give you?

Well, good luck with everything.

[Riceboi]

possible kidney stone?

[nickrut]

ANy update with this? curious

[Andrew732]

Its common for one to complain about kidney pains while on H-drol, it has to do with the fact that H-drol is very stressful on the kidneys and effects the renal area.

[SEEGS]

Sorry guys my update from my (pathetic) doctor:

good news... no hernia or anything else that it could have been (since he said I was fine). The day of the visit, the pain had become nonexisitent but it was still good to get checked.

I told him of my experience with the prohormone h-drol and gave him supplement facts. He glanced at it and gave it right back saying something like, "yea, i don't know what this is. you need to stay away from this stuff. you're a healthy kid so lets try and keep it that way."

Ok fine, but you would think that he would have been concered about my PCT or estrogen effect post taking a PH.... guess not. He didn't ask or suggest anything to take and pretty much cut off the visit saying i was fine and could leave. Thank god I at least have an OTC PCT to take. I also told him about my liver levels being outta whack since i had them checked. He didn't offer anything on how to get my liver back to normal. Awesome.


In conclusion, I must have oddly strained the area apparently doing some exercise. However, the chest and back pains, anxiety feeling while on H-drol were enough for me to prolly stay natural for a long time. If I ever decide to go back, i'd just stick with BOLD.



***Please do not take this thread as a negative outlook on CEL or H-drol. I am still puzzled on why I had such horrible sides since h-drol is considered by most as a mild PH. There have been several users with h-drol that didn't experience any of these side effects.***

[TommyTuffGuy]

Get some Taurine and high dose it..worked for me.

[ChuteBoxeFC]

Are you drinking enough water? Get some taurine 3-5g per day

[vadox6466]

Originally Posted by SEEGS

Sorry guys my update from my (pathetic) doctor:

good news... no hernia or anything else that it could have been (since he said I was fine). The day of the visit, the pain had become nonexisitent but it was still good to get checked.

I told him of my experience with the prohormone h-drol and gave him supplement facts. He glanced at it and gave it right back saying something like, "yea, i don't know what this is. you need to stay away from this stuff. you're a healthy kid so lets try and keep it that way."

Ok fine, but you would think that he would have been concered about my PCT or estrogen effect post taking a PH.... guess not. He didn't ask or suggest anything to take and pretty much cut off the visit saying i was fine and could leave. Thank god I at least have an OTC PCT to take. I also told him about my liver levels being outta whack since i had them checked. He didn't offer anything on how to get my liver back to normal. Awesome.


In conclusion, I must have oddly strained the area apparently doing some exercise. However, the chest and back pains, anxiety feeling while on H-drol were enough for me to prolly stay natural for a long time. If I ever decide to go back, i'd just stick with BOLD.



***Please do not take this thread as a negative outlook on CEL or H-drol. I am still puzzled on why I had such horrible sides since h-drol is considered by most as a mild PH. There have been several users with h-drol that didn't experience any of these side effects.***

I'd honestly go see another doctor, just for a second opinion. The sides you were talking about are not normal by any means, and even though the pain dissipated the day you went, there could be some underlying issues that are still unresolved. Especially with the liver issues.

Go to another doc.

[tdog69]

OP You could always go see a psychologist


Just saying

[ChaliHo]

Originally Posted by SEEGS

it's 2 1/2 weeks into my h-drol cycle and I've experienced enough sides to plan on ending this cycle tomorrow.

taruine nor increasing water intake hasn't helped at all with back pumps. My lower back aches all day and night. and my right front side is in pain.. near like the hip bone and abdominal area (feels like someone has punched me right there.. bruise like feeling).... i can't even sit up right as it hurts.

i've also had some pretty rough chest pains that lasted for a couple of days ( i was ready to cut it off there) but they went away, for now.



Anyone who has taken h-drol recieve these side effects???

I would just stop taking it its not worth it man.

[nickrut]

Sorry to hear it didnt work out for you. Good luck with your future endeavors

[Bigmike341]

Originally Posted by nickrut

Sorry to hear it didnt work out for you. Good luck with your future endeavors

I'm assuming he did check your appendix, but just in case you can google "psoas sign," "obturator sign," or "rovsing's sign." These are three easy tests that can be diagnostic of appendicitis. You'll need an extra set of hands though. Good luck!

[tdog69]

NICE NEG tough guy you?re my hero....
"just saying" you're not even jacked. Sweet poses in your pictures thou LOL (what kind of neg is that)




Everything you described while on h-drol and then the fact that everything is fine after seeing the Dr and Dr. said you are ok, is symptoms of a hypochondriac if anything. Don't under estamate the mind it is a powerful tool and can have adverse effects on the body.

Better watch out for the gyno, you will more than likely have it, sense you have suffered from every side effect that all of the different PH/DS on the market will cause in just one cycle of HDROL

Another potential side effect from 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4- diene-3-17b-diol is testicular tumors, may want to get this checked also

Damit I gave you a possitive rep when I ment to neg you...

[RetardedNinja]

Sounds like my doctor, Hes a really nice guy but when I went to him to get my hormone levels checked he pretty much said no. Its just better for them to be safe then sorry when talking about any kind of PH.

[philbitty]

Originally Posted by tdog69

NICE NEG tough guy you?re my hero....
"just saying" you're not even jacked. Sweet poses in your pictures thou LOL (what kind of neg is that)




Everything you described while on h-drol and then the fact that everything is fine after seeing the Dr and Dr. said you are ok, is symptoms of a hypochondriac if anything. Don't under estamate the mind it is a powerful tool and can have adverse effects on the body.

Better watch out for the gyno, you will more than likely have it, sense you have suffered from every side effect that all of the different PH/DS on the market will cause in just one cycle of HDROL

Another potential side effect from 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4- diene-3-17b-diol is testicular tumors, may want to get this checked also

[img]http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/7/18/hypochondriack128608473975508914.jpg/img]

Damit I gave you a possitive rep when I ment to neg you...

you're 35, grow up. who cares if you got negged..
and people worried about their well bring don't need the **** you mentioned in their head, on top of what's already going on.

[tdog69]

Originally Posted by philbitty

you're 35, grow up. who cares if you got negged..
and people worried about their well bring don't need the **** you mentioned in their head, on top of what's already going on.

I enjoy reading these threads; grow up LOL it is all fun and entertainment to me, "I want to be just like peterpan, I don't want to grow up" LOL

People like you and the OP amaze me, do you really for one second think a mild DS like HDROL is going to present side effects of this magnitude in two weeks. Even 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4- diene-3-17b-diol counterpart the actual AAS Oral Turninabol is a very slow acting compound and for HDROL to present these kinds of problems in 2 weeks no not possible unless it was mega dosed to a absurd amounts

Now OP drop the BS and go get checked out, this is not from the HDROL. Nothing you have described is a side effect of HDROL or for that matter Oral Turninabol, besides the headaches from elevated BP. Do some more research before you get on here and spit out this garbage about Hdrol causing these problems, at least learn what side effects to look for while taking it.

It just does not stop amazing me at everyone that jumps on the PH/DS band wagon after a few days or weeks researching it and a couple years of lifting under their belt. Then they go on cycle and they feel a pain, so it must be from the cycle..... o no.. More than likely you have a sports related injury from piss pore form and inadequate lifting skills and using a DS that will increase your risk of a sports related injury if you do not have experience lifting first.


Have a good weekend, I am out of here to take my non jacked ars to the gym to rep 450 for an ending set of squats.

[philbitty]

you sure do assume a lot of things
you sound like the doctor that he saw, lol

[HereIam]

I got the same symptoms but worse from my h drol cycle. After 5 days of 75mg I had a slight ache in my left kidney. I stopped h drol that night from the discomfort I was experiencing. Over the next 3 days the aches got worse, and it was acompanied with extreme dry mouth, and light headedness. By the weekend I woke with a slight ache in my lower right adomen but I really didn't think anything of it as my other symptoms were getting worse. On monday day I finally took my ass to the doctor where they sent me to the ER in fear that I had appendicitis, when I got to the ER the doctor was almost certain I had kidney stones from my desciription of the pain. To be sure he ordered a CT scan and when the results cameback they were neg. He suggested I might be constipated (lol) and gave an electro/laxative to flush my colon. The next day my symptoms stayed the same ..kidney pain on my left right side, extreme thirst that was unquenchable, headaches, extreme dizziness and lower adominal pain. It was crazy I felt I really screwed up body takin PHs, this being maybe my 7 cycle in 4.5 yrs. I went to the doc again to get blood test all came back fine except my liver alt was high. 3-4 more days went by with the said symptoms with the addition of extreme leg/lower back aches to the point where Itd wake me up in my sleep. It was exurciating and the dizziness and dry mouth at this point where to the point where iwas going to pass out. A day passed and I woke up and everythin had stopped. I felt normal again. It was the weirdest thing. All I can maybe think is that since hdrol does have a slow jump start rate .. That it also dwells in ur body for awhile and it wasn't til it was completely out before I started to recover. Before anybody flames I took all support supps for atleast a 1 1/2 month before starting and my last cycle was last november. I didn't drink alcohol at all while on so I'm quite perplexed as to what caused all this havoc. And what I mean by is extreme thirst is being able to drink fluids to the point where my stomach would hurt and still having the feeling of a dry toungue, dehydration. It was torture. I'm not sure 100% if h drol was to blame for all my issues but I know I'm done with the associated risk that comes along with taking phs.