Wanna know what Trenadrol REALLY is?

[JTK555]

Originally Posted by _stacked_

FAIL... I was refering to the thread I have quoted and it has nothing to do with epistane my friend

wow you really are unaware.

yes, i know you what thread you were refering to.

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

i discovered something else (which i cannot believe i missed months back) during this test which made my jaw drop but i am not gonna say what it is. it did not involve the trenadrol. i know this sounds confusing, sorry

he was referring epistane, not trenadrol. im pretty sure he tested trenadrol when the epic epistane drama was going on (PA tested epistane too). he discovered that both epistane and trenbolone had a MW=270. Similar MW is all those two compounds have in common. Trenadrol also happens to have a MW=270.

why don't you ask PA if you don't believe me?

[hugowrx04]

Originally Posted by ZekeHeavyMechAK

huh, all I know is after 6 days at 60mgs I ripped out my last squat set of 315 for 10 like it was 225. Usualy struggle with rep 7 & 8 for 8. Now if I could just get rid of my sore nips. That and I'm pissed at the world for no apperent reason.

hey bro would you happen to know the lot# on the bottles us are using. thanks

[hugowrx04]

Originally Posted by JTK555

he was referring epistane, not trenadrol. im pretty sure he tested trenadrol when the epic epistane drama was going on (PA tested epistane too). he discovered that both epistane and trenbolone had a MW=270. Similar MW is all those two compounds have in common. Trenadrol also happens to have a MW=270.

why don't you ask PA if you don't believe me?

x2....PA clearly says that what he found doesn't involve trenadrol.

[SpiderJerusalem]

Originally Posted by hugowrx04

x2....PA clearly says that what he found doesn't involve trenadrol.

PA also said "I know this sounds confusing, sorry".

Thus all the confusion, lol

[ZekeHeavyMechAK]

Originally Posted by hugowrx04

hey bro would you happen to know the lot# on the bottles us are using. thanks

I'll get the lot and exp. Date after work. It's the same as the one mentioned earlier in the thread.

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by _stacked_

Bull****... (below is from the mass tabs thread also awaiting results)

In case you guys are not aware Patrick Arnold already tested trenadrol about a year ago.

Like this thread everyone waited hanging on the results... only to be disappointed.

Patrick revealed that although he had discovered what was contained in the mysterious caps he refused to reveal it because "he found something totally unexpected." For weeks prior to this thread he had been testing other compounds and had no problem disclosing that they only contained dhea or whatever else... but then he tests trenadrol and all of a sudden he doesn't want to reveal what is inside because he says he never expected it to be there... only adding to the lore and drama surrounding this compound.

why do you use the word "bull****"? i am not lying. i don't remember.

i am more than willing to test it again if someone sends me a sealed bottle

[ssouthbeach14]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

why do you use the word "bull****"? i am not lying. i don't remember.

i am more than willing to test it again if someone sends me a sealed bottle

someone send him a bottle

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by _stacked_

This is hilarious... you guys are throwing chemical names at him WHEN HE ALREADY TESTED THE COMPOUND, FIGURED OUT WHAT WAS IN IT, AND THEN REFUSED TO REVEAL IT TO US A YEAR AGO.

maybe i did not reveal it because i did not want to. i don't remember. since when am i obligated to reveal the results of everything i test? no one paid me to test it

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by B_Musha

Estra 4.....well i cant say that's crappy but i was hoping for more

Can you post a link to the entire thread?

ok i remember now. i thought it contained estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione but i did not have a standard to compare it to at the time so i could not confirm

as far as the last statement i wrote i am not sure but that may have had to do with my testing of epistane

[steelersnation]

Reading all of this is making me real dizzy/confused

[armyr0b]

there are some kind of stims in trenadrol....WHAT

[Wyndi]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

ok i remember now. i thought it contained estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione but i did not have a standard to compare it to at the time so i could not confirm

as far as the last statement i wrote i am not sure but that may have had to do with my testing of epistane

Hi!!! I'm confused

xoxo

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by Wyndi

Hi!!! I'm confused

xoxo

HEY!!!!

this thread is for dudes only. oh, and for chicks that enjoy shaving their backs too

sorry

[BodyMan123]

Patrick will you ever be willing to tell us what you found in trenadrol??

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by BodyMan123

Patrick will you ever be willing to tell us what you found in trenadrol??

Maybe, but right now i am just waiting for news to break that an ergopharm product contains HCG

[MikeDre]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

Maybe, but right now i am just waiting for news to break that an ergopharm product contains HCG

Vyotech this time. Youre good

[hugowrx04]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

Maybe, but right now i am just waiting for news to break that an ergopharm product contains HCG

unaware........thread or negs lol....

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by hugowrx04

unaware........thread or negs lol....

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30622607/

[iForce Dave]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30622607/

wow i didnt know it was hcg. what a dissappointment.

i want someone to pop for test/tren/anadrol

[Maiden69]

Ok, so which Ergopharm supplement should I add to my "Nolva PCT" especially in the first few weeks... I have no access to HCG...

[UnionHooligan]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

Maybe, but right now i am just waiting for news to break that an ergopharm product contains HCG

Has to be clearshot j/k

[Vanilla Thunder]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

Maybe, but right now i am just waiting for news to break that an ergopharm product contains HCG

lol

[ssouthbeach14]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30622607/

looks like he got caught during PCT

[hugowrx04]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30622607/

lol....wat a joke, dont tell me they are blaming u on this too.....whats next?? "swine flu got started by PA" lol....

[camaleom]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30622607/

u again?

lol

j/k

[camaleom]

Originally Posted by iForce Dave

wow i didnt know it was hcg. what a dissappointment.

i want someone to pop for test/tren/anadrol

it will be nice if u can tell them that u discovered a new "undetectable drug" and send them some test/tren or andro...

[dblover3]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

Maybe, but right now i am just waiting for news to break that an ergopharm product contains HCG

Uh of course its PA's fault doesnt anything that has to do with anyone that has to do with anything that has to do with laundry detergent or household cleaning items or feminine hygiene products his fault?

[SpiderJerusalem]

I really don't see why people make such a big deal over the use of performance-enhancing substances in sports anyway. Drugs don't give you skillz. They just enhance your physical powers (strength, endurance, etc). Yeah, a big guy may be able to hit the ball out of the park... IF he connects on the swing. But at the speeds being pitched at, it takes a fair amount of skill/practice to be able to even hit the damn ball at all. A sprinter might be able to run a little faster with larger muscles, but a big part of sprinting is coordination, pacing and efficiency of movement. Etc... Why is it "more" fair for some guys to be born with the capacity for higher testosterone levels than the next guy, so he gets all the athletic and life advantages the extra test bestows? What about the other guy, who may have the same or greater drive and discipline and ambition, spends more time working on his sport of choice, but he'll never do as well as the other guy if the deciding factor in the equation comes down to strength? Why shouldn't *he* be allowed to make up for the edge the other guy got by default? Shouldn't we be rewarding drive and ambition and discipline and dedication instead of holding up one's "natural" (IOW, the ****er got lucky by birth) genetic advantages as some sort of virtue? I call bull**** on the whole deal. I say let athletes everywhere use their drugs of choice (with full knowledge of the side effects involved) to enhance their performance. If someone has the drive and the talent and works to develop the skills, why should they be held back because of the circumstances of their genetic heritage? Athletes have been using performance-enhancing substances for as long as there have been sports and recognition of what substances (natural or otherwise) can have beneficial effect in performing them.

And for all those ass-hat parents who hold up sports figures as "role models" for their kids and use that as the reason why athletes shouldn't use steroids and such, I call bull**** on that too. Being a great athlete does not automatically equate to being a positive role model. Babe Ruth was an overweight, alcoholic womanizer. Pete Rose had a gambling problem. Derek Jeter is a disease-spreading slut. Do people really want their kids to be like that? Why are steroids "worse" than any of those things? Bull**** bull**** bull****.

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[SpiderJerusalem]

By the way, where's Beejis with the Tren analysis results? Or is he still being thwarted by the, erm, "fat bitch" he referred to earlier? lol

[FadeIntoBig]

Originally Posted by SpiderJerusalem

I really don't see why people make such a big deal over the use of performance-enhancing substances in sports anyway. Drugs don't give you skillz. They just enhance your physical powers (strength, endurance, etc). Yeah, a big guy may be able to hit the ball out of the park... IF he connects on the swing. But at the speeds being pitched at, it takes a fair amount of skill/practice to be able to even hit the damn ball at all. A sprinter might be able to run a little faster with larger muscles, but a big part of sprinting is coordination, pacing and efficiency of movement. Etc... Why is it "more" fair for some guys to be born with the capacity for higher testosterone levels than the next guy, so he gets all the athletic and life advantages the extra test bestows? What about the other guy, who may have the same or greater drive and discipline and ambition, spends more time working on his sport of choice, but he'll never do as well as the other guy if the deciding factor in the equation comes down to strength? Why shouldn't *he* be allowed to make up for the edge the other guy got by default? Shouldn't we be rewarding drive and ambition and discipline and dedication instead of holding up one's "natural" (IOW, the ****er got lucky by birth) genetic advantages as some sort of virtue? I call bull**** on the whole deal. I say let athletes everywhere use their drugs of choice (with full knowledge of the side effects involved) to enhance their performance. If someone has the drive and the talent and works to develop the skills, why should they be held back because of the circumstances of their genetic heritage? Athletes have been using performance-enhancing substances for as long as there have been sports and recognition of what substances (natural or otherwise) can have beneficial effect in performing them.

And for all those ass-hat parents who hold up sports figures as "role models" for their kids and use that as the reason why athletes shouldn't use steroids and such, I call bull**** on that too. Being a great athlete does not automatically equate to being a positive role model. Babe Ruth was an overweight, alcoholic womanizer. Pete Rose had a gambling problem. Derek Jeter is a disease-spreading slut. Do people really want their kids to be like that? Why are steroids "worse" than any of those things? Bull**** bull**** bull****.

</rant>

Totally agree. Maybe PA or someone with more history on the subject can chime in here and call bull****, but I think a lot of the original reason behind the testing was because the Eastern Bloc was kicking our ass in the Olympics, since, what, '68 or so? Ever see videos of the '72 East German, ehem, women swimmers? I recall seeing an old documentary where there was talk of genetic testing to determine if they had a Y chromosome or not when it turns out it was their AAS use.

Anyway, the "concern" really didn't start in earnest until the late '80's, when, incidentally, western athletes finally discovered good AAS protocols, and the Eastern Bloc, since it didn't have the edge in substances anymore but was better at hiding ****, decided to go along with the IOC on doping guidelines. Then the rules committees would argue over what kind of testing to do, with the Russians vetoing anything they couldn't hide from.

All political bull**** started it. Since WWII or so, the Olympics have always been about who has better sports science anyway, so where do you make the cutoff?

I'm waiting to see some freaking shot-putter from China who throws the damn thing 90 feet and looks like a human version of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Blue.

As far as the professional athletes who use it, who gives a ****? The "role model" argument has always been pretty lame.