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06-12-2008, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Lorken
Oh, and as far as being bigger and stronger, who gives a damn. The point is to get even bigger and even stronger, so why not do something that will get you closer to this goal?? Oh, and I see some of the biggest guys AGREE WITH ME!
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The only guy in this thread that I would even call "big" or close to it is Marco, and he didn't even address your post.
Fail.
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06-12-2008, 03:41 PM
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Well there's a surprise. A T-Nation article that gives you a program involving a lot of their supplements. Weird.
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06-12-2008, 03:44 PM
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it doesn't work, theres no science behind overtraining, it was taken from arnolds book "the education of a bodybuilder", he used to "shock his legs" like that, your body doesn't respond to overtraining with overcompesation.
show me scientific literature to back this
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06-12-2008, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bennutts929
it doesn't work, theres no science behind overtraining, it was taken from arnolds book "the education of a bodybuilder", he used to "shock his legs" like that, your body doesn't respond to overtraining with overcompesation.
show me scientific literature to back this
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Ok, go sit on your couch and gain muscle.
Progressive weight lifting IS overtraining. If you lift the same weight every time you lift, you're just maintaining. If you lift weight to make progress, you're over training. Maybe not to the point where you can't recover, but if you want to progress, you've got to train beyond what your body is used to. This is the idea of progressive overload--lifting progressively heavier objects over time--or lifting with a higher volume (ie GVT, one day arm cure, super accumulation, etc.).
Making progress IS super compensation, it's your bodies response to muscle trauma beyond what it's used to. Hypertrophy is super compensation. Getting stronger is super compensation.
You don't need scientific literature, there is a whole community (including yourself) that utilizes this technique on a regular basis! There are billion dolar companies that rely on this techinique to make money. There are people who make this their profession!
Damn, I thought this was common knowledge! What did you think was happening when you lift weights??? Maybe that's why most people just get stuck and only progress so far. They think they can just use the same routine over and over with the same weight and keep progressing.
*sigh*
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06-12-2008, 04:42 PM
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this **** is dumb. a routine like thiswas in a muscletech add a while back. if you want a crazy bicep workout look on abcbodybuilding.com or animalpak.com. one of the routines has you rest-pause 100 reps for db curls. i just wish i could find a crazy tricep workout
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06-12-2008, 04:44 PM
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there was a mod here that did this before. i think he said he gained 1/8th-1/4th an inch.. i dont remember who it was when i first signed up.
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06-12-2008, 04:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Atheimetal
The only guy in this thread that I would even call "big" or close to it is Marco, and he didn't even address your post.
Fail.
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bonjorno is 5lbs lighter than Marco, and looks pretty ripped to me.
Fail. DING DING! Knockout!
Damn teenieboppers. I need to keep out of here, you guys just piss me off! What ignorance!
This is basic stuff people! It's not rocket science! It's the basics of what this site is named after! Why does it take a relative newbie like myself to explain this to people???
There are two loading parameters. Intensity and Volume. Increase either, and progress will ensue. Lift heavier, or lift more. Simple as that. As soon as you get that into your head, you'll understand the concept behind this program, and you'll never* hit a plateau again.
*and by never I mean untill you're 60
Last edited by Lorken; 06-13-2008 at 06:34 AM.
Reason: spelling
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06-12-2008, 05:18 PM
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its funny because from what i've read Lorken is the only one who actually sounds like he knows what hes talking about in this thread
sounds like a personal trainer for christ sake
and no one said you dumbasses need to try this,
most of you would probably start crying a couple hours into this workout from the pump anyway so leave this workout to the men
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06-13-2008, 09:02 AM
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Ok, just to clarify my previous statements.
I can't believe I lost sleep over this, but I was up thinking about this at about 2:00am last night. There are more than two loading parameters, but these are more like sub-classes of the major two (Intensity and Volume).
1. Time Under Tension - How long the weight is being supported by you, per set.
2. Speed of Contraction - How fast you lift the weight on the concentric (upward) portion of the lift.
3. Rest Periods - How long you rest between sets/workouts.
However, I believe Time Under Tension and Speed of Contraction have an ideal range, and shouldn't be varied all too much. Varied rest periods however can be utilized to make some great progress--this is however just a way of doing more volume.
There might be others, I don't remember. These are just the ones that stick out in my mind. Don't take my word for it; go read something on it (a little Reading Rainbow lingo for ya). It's some basic stuff.
Maybe if people concentrated more on lifting THEORY, and less on printing out a routine, or photocopying their friend's M&F mag, they would know WHY the routine works instead of just mindlessly lifting weight.
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06-13-2008, 09:07 AM
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dude just gtfo. your not wanted here. your a dumbass.
and you failed.
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06-13-2008, 09:15 AM
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Ooh! First round knockout. We're reduced to childish insults.
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Originally Posted by 3dd
dude just gtfo.
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Gladly.
I might be the king of the dumbasses, but my kingdom is vast, and my subects are many.
STD'S - Gotta Catch 'Em All!
Peace. DING DING.
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06-13-2008, 09:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorken
Ooh! First round knockout. We're reduced to childish insults.
Gladly.
I might be the king of the dumbasses, but my kingdom is vast, and my subects are many.
STD'S - Gotta Catch 'Em All!
Peace. DING DING.
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Yet all 9 of your posts are in this thread and on a single topic. And you have failed. Hate to break it to ye.
Bye
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06-13-2008, 09:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dd
Yet all 9 of your posts are in this thread and on a single topic. And you have failed. Hate to break it to ye.
Bye
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you counted?
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06-13-2008, 09:35 AM
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It says under his av dumbass
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06-13-2008, 09:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dd
It says under his av dumbass
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strong dickhole
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06-13-2008, 09:52 AM
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my 'one-day arm cure' is switching to the other hand to fap
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06-13-2008, 10:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorken
Ok, go sit on your couch and gain muscle.
Progressive weight lifting IS overtraining. If you lift the same weight every time you lift, you're just maintaining. If you lift weight to make progress, you're over training. Maybe not to the point where you can't recover, but if you want to progress, you've got to train beyond what your body is used to. This is the idea of progressive overload--lifting progressively heavier objects over time--or lifting with a higher volume (ie GVT, one day arm cure, super accumulation, etc.).
Making progress IS super compensation, it's your bodies response to muscle trauma beyond what it's used to. Hypertrophy is super compensation. Getting stronger is super compensation.
You don't need scientific literature, there is a whole community (including yourself) that utilizes this technique on a regular basis! There are billion dolar companies that rely on this techinique to make money. There are people who make this their profession!
Damn, I thought this was common knowledge! What did you think was happening when you lift weights??? Maybe that's why most people just get stuck and only progress so far. They think they can just use the same routine over and over with the same weight and keep progressing.
*sigh*
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Well, yes all the above is correct except, where did I say anything about lifting to same weight every week?
you can't take 50 steps forward workout all day and get results, bodybuilding is a marathon not a sprint.
and no adding weight is not over training,
over training is a term used for a medical condition onset by working out more then your body can overcompensate for.
so just leave the teen thread, you don't know what your talking about and go home.
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06-13-2008, 10:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bennutts929
Well, yes all the above is correct except, where did I say anything about lifting to same weight every week?
you can't take 50 steps forward workout all day and get results, bodybuilding is a marathon not a sprint.
and no adding weight is not over training,
over training is a term used for a medical condition onset by working out more then your body can overcompensate for.
so just leave the teen thread, you don't know what your talking about and go home.
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The guy failed. He's a retard
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05-02-2009, 01:18 PM
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I have done the one day arm cure today!! and ive never felt such pain!! really brutal. now ive just got to rest and eat eat eat! hopefully the results will come :/
My friend also tried this, and he gained 3/4 " =)
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05-02-2009, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Sexyman09
http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=459954
It's where you go insane for a whole day doing a buttload of arm excercises. The intensity level is ultra high but people report gaining 3/8 of an inch or even more to their arms. I don't plan on doing it anytime soon, but it sounds pretty hardcore, maybe save it to do after I'm off my current routine. So anybody tried this and have incredible results?
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dumb.
Low-volume high intensity workouts are much better for stimulating muscle growth. That growth is probably just a pwo pump. Less is often more. After about an hour in the gym cortisol levels start to rise and test levels start dropping fast.
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05-02-2009, 01:35 PM
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Yes I tried it, and it cured my arms.
In one day.
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05-03-2009, 01:58 PM
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I tried it too, without any success. I was also screwing around with prohormones at the time, so I think my test levels were low, so my results were probably skewed.
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05-06-2009, 02:33 PM
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ok well its been 4 days since i did the arm cure..and my arms have gained 1/2 inch =) it actualy works!..well for me anyway, i guess results vary alot tho, gaining a whole inch would be very lucky!
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05-06-2009, 03:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy90
ok well its been 4 days since i did the arm cure..and my arms have gained 1/2 inch =) it actualy works!..well for me anyway, i guess results vary alot tho, gaining a whole inch would be very lucky!
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Unless you have pics, I don't believe it (or else it will not be permanent).
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11-12-2009, 05:41 PM
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Apparently This program actualy works lol.
Quote from Iron Addict:
"I will admit I used to think these were bogus, until I tried it on some arm growth resistant clients, and it DOES work for SOME people--IA"
heres the link for his oppinion on it, along with a few testimonials of people who have tried it:
http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=10970
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11-12-2009, 06:15 PM
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This gains are more than just a pump.
You guys are unaware of who Charles Poliquin is.
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11-12-2009, 07:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KaTaNa111
"it says gains are permanent"
...What would be the poinbt of writing an article and then saying "Youll gain an inch, but its going to go away later"
chad waterbury condemned it and chad, thib, shugs > any other coach on the site
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do you really think that waterbury and shugart are better than Poliquin? Shugart doesnt even know how to lift weights man
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11-12-2009, 07:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StevenNevets
This gains are more than just a pump.
You guys are unaware of who Charles Poliquin is.
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x2.
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11-12-2009, 09:17 PM
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Damn, so could there really be some truth to this?? I always thought it was just bogus?
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11-12-2009, 10:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by boilermakers1
Damn, so could there really be some truth to this?? I always thought it was just bogus?
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Dude, give it a try! what have you got to loose!
If it dont work then atleast youve had fun day training your arms all day long man!!!!
If it does work then woot woot! you made your arms grow in 24 hours!!
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