so i jumped on the bandwagon on PEA

[MuscleManxx]

i was a bit skeptical but holy **** the effects hitt me like a train

i took 1 gm with 1 hydroxycut hardcore and within 20 min i was so relaxed iw as convinced iw as floating on clouds..at one point my arms got so heavy i felt like i was leaving my body

after 10 min tho i was a bit freaked out but it wears of pretty fast

[MuscleManxx]

what exacly is the porpuse of this supp?

i felt really relaxed afterwards i woudnt be able to workout like this

[niCe99]

focus


i use it to study for my exams as well as get high...legally....yeah

[MuscleManxx]

Originally Posted by niCe99

focus


i use it to study for my exams as well as get high...legally....yeah

lol i didnt buy it to get high but wow i love that feeling i was just laughing for no reason feel good man feels good

[niCe99]

[Acetyl-CoA]

To "feel" anything (depending on your neurochemistry, of course) you may have to take upwards of 20 PEA pills. Furthermore, as you say it wears off. PEA rapidly is degraded by an enzyme called MOA-B. I believe this is in the gut as well as the brain.

Some products combine a mild MAO-B inhibitor with PEA (such as Velocity XT). Other products feature methylated or methoxylated PEA (the former making a close stereoisomer of amphetamine and methamphetamine, if the PEA is N-methylated).

I don't know if you've ever recreationally or medically used amphetamines (Adderall, Vyvanse, Dexadrine, etc)... If you have, your brain will be somewhat conditioned and PEA probably won't give you nearly that "boost."

By the way, PLEASE do not take these if a doctor hasn't prescribed them. Just saying if you have PEA isn't nearly the same.

[MegaPump]

Originally Posted by niCe99

focus


i use it to study for my exams as well as get high...legally....yeah

Its funny you say that, focus, iv heard it many times before. Iv never felt any focus from it, far from it. I think thats a kind of front to cover its real purpose. Could you maybe be taking it to get high, giving yourself the excuse your using it to focus better . As far as I know its promoted as mood enhancement and focus ?

[niCe99]

Originally Posted by MegaPump

Its funny you say that, focus, iv heard it many times before. Iv never felt any focus from it, far from it. I think thats a kind of front to cover its real purpose. Could you maybe be taking it to get high, giving yourself the excuse your using it to focus better . As far as I know its promoted as mood enhancement and focus ?

Possibly but different things work for different people.

When im on pea, i get extremely focus and my minor case of ADD disappears. I can study without any distractions.

The "feel good part" is simply an added bonus

[AFOX]

Originally Posted by Acetyl-CoA

To "feel" anything (depending on your neurochemistry, of course) you may have to take upwards of 20 PEA pills. Furthermore, as you say it wears off. PEA rapidly is degraded by an enzyme called MOA-B. I believe this is in the gut as well as the brain.

Some products combine a mild MAO-B inhibitor with PEA (such as Velocity XT). Other products feature methylated or methoxylated PEA (the former making a close stereoisomer of amphetamine and methamphetamine, if the PEA is N-methylated).

I don't know if you've ever recreationally or medically used amphetamines (Adderall, Vyvanse, Dexadrine, etc)... If you have, your brain will be somewhat conditioned and PEA probably won't give you nearly that "boost."

By the way, PLEASE do not take these if a doctor hasn't prescribed them. Just saying if you have PEA isn't nearly the same.

20 pills? Why does everybody report feeling it off 1-2 grams then?

[Acetyl-CoA]

Originally Posted by AFOX

20 pills? Why does everybody report feeling it off 1-2 grams then?

First off, there may be a placebo effect going on. Secondly, to really get any feeling that even APPROACHES ball-to-the-wall sailing, you need to megadose the stuff.

I will say alot of people stacked 1-2 grams, semi-illegally, with the MAO-B inihibitor selegeline (Deprenyl) that they ordered from a foreign pharmacy. I wouldn't doubt that this would do the trick.

But to anyone who has ever been on psychostimulants for ADD/ADHD, or recreational users/SAT exam junkies back in the day, then the feeling of PEA will not be subjectively special as they have experienced what is really 100X the feeling.

I guess I'm trying to say this stuff is not legal speed. It is basically really potent chocolate. The feeling it gives is quite literally the same when you cuddle up with a girl and feel that "good" feeling (upstairs, that is, not downstairs)


And FYI 8 pills is two grams at 250 mg pills. With no MAO-B inihibition the chemical love lasts about 120 secons.

[berzerker]

Originally Posted by Acetyl-CoA

First off, there may be a placebo effect going on. Secondly, to really get any feeling that even APPROACHES ball-to-the-wall sailing, you need to megadose the stuff.

I will say alot of people stacked 1-2 grams, semi-illegally, with the MAO-B inihibitor selegeline (Deprenyl) that they ordered from a foreign pharmacy. I wouldn't doubt that this would do the trick.

But to anyone who has ever been on psychostimulants for ADD/ADHD, or recreational users/SAT exam junkies back in the day, then the feeling of PEA will not be subjectively special as they have experienced what is really 100X the feeling.

I guess I'm trying to say this stuff is not legal speed. It is basically really potent chocolate. The feeling it gives is quite literally the same when you cuddle up with a girl and feel that "good" feeling (upstairs, that is, not downstairs)


And FYI 8 pills is two grams at 250 mg pills. With no MAO-B inihibition the chemical love lasts about 120 secons.

I can't agree with you. Maybe this is the case for some people, but most definitely not all. I have taken it in 1.5g doses and been hardly able to type. I personally didn't enjoy it, so I only tried it a few times. To say it has the effect of cuddling up to a girl is terribly far off. Any girl would have thought I was drunk cuddling up to her in that condition. I honestly could not speak very coherently at all. I was talking on the phone once and it was extremely difficult to make my mind and mouth work together.

[jbodybuilder]

We added it to our Thermo product Phenyldrene for focus and mood support.

[MegaPump]

Originally Posted by niCe99

Possibly but different things work for different people.

When im on pea, i get extremely focus and my minor case of ADD disappears. I can study without any distractions.

The "feel good part" is simply an added bonus

How much are you taking.

Originally Posted by Acetyl-CoA

First off, there may be a placebo effect going on. Secondly, to really get any feeling that even APPROACHES ball-to-the-wall sailing, you need to megadose the stuff.

I will say alot of people stacked 1-2 grams, semi-illegally, with the MAO-B inihibitor selegeline (Deprenyl) that they ordered from a foreign pharmacy. I wouldn't doubt that this would do the trick.

But to anyone who has ever been on psychostimulants for ADD/ADHD, or recreational users/SAT exam junkies back in the day, then the feeling of PEA will not be subjectively special as they have experienced what is really 100X the feeling.

I guess I'm trying to say this stuff is not legal speed. It is basically really potent chocolate. The feeling it gives is quite literally the same when you cuddle up with a girl and feel that "good" feeling (upstairs, that is, not downstairs)


And FYI 8 pills is two grams at 250 mg pills. With no MAO-B inihibition the chemical love lasts about 120 secons.

I wasn't sure what you were referring to in your last post so I didn't reply to it. But what your saying is wrong, and no you don't need Deprenyl to get the profound effects people are claiming. Its definitely not placebo effect at all. If your not getting that effect there is some other reason why. Possibly something your taking.

My only concern is that I hope that chemical love doesn't effect the natural processes like down regulation or some other effect on emotional state or natural chemical response to curtain situations that can be noticed by the individual. Personally I wouldn't go taking PEA like its a large dose of chocolate. Those chemical feelings you get are produced in the body in very small doses. Your basically flooding your mind with this chemical product or however its produced or works in a very unnatural way.

My other concern is that there is no evidence or studies or knowledge of PEA's effect on the mind in doses above 50 mg. BB.com users are taking 30-60x or more what was ever safely used in studies.

I know that there's no such thing as a free ride, and there's "no free lunch" in life, you cant get something for nothing, and that if your getting a high from something and you cant see the health effects outside of heart rate and blotchy skin, its either hidden or unknown. Take Salvia for example. All im saying is be cautious with continuous or long term use and high doses. It also does have high potential for dependance and psychological addiction. Im not hating on it, im Just saying be cautious and aware.

[CognitiveNutrition]

Originally Posted by MuscleManxx

i was a bit skeptical but holy **** the effects hitt me like a train

i took 1 gm with 1 hydroxycut hardcore and within 20 min i was so relaxed iw as convinced iw as floating on clouds..at one point my arms got so heavy i felt like i was leaving my body

after 10 min tho i was a bit freaked out but it wears of pretty fast

Originally Posted by MuscleManxx

what exacly is the porpuse of this supp?

i felt really relaxed afterwards i woudnt be able to workout like this

You may want to try it by itself without other supplements following a dosing protocol if you would like to get a detailed experience of what it does for you. It seems most people need up to a week or so to find the ideal dosing for them if it works for their system.

Originally Posted by Acetyl-CoA

To "feel" anything (depending on your neurochemistry, of course) you may have to take upwards of 20 PEA pills. Furthermore, as you say it wears off. PEA rapidly is degraded by an enzyme called MOA-B. I believe this is in the gut as well as the brain.

Some products combine a mild MAO-B inhibitor with PEA (such as Velocity XT). Other products feature methylated or methoxylated PEA (the former making a close stereoisomer of amphetamine and methamphetamine, if the PEA is N-methylated).

I don't know if you've ever recreationally or medically used amphetamines (Adderall, Vyvanse, Dexadrine, etc)... If you have, your brain will be somewhat conditioned and PEA probably won't give you nearly that "boost."

By the way, PLEASE do not take these if a doctor hasn't prescribed them. Just saying if you have PEA isn't nearly the same.

Most of the over 70 BB loggers only need 2-4 capsules to feel the effects. If I may ask what is your basis for up to 20 pills? Have you tried it?

PEA is quickly metabolized (converted) in several active compounds with play a role in it's effects as well and is enhanced by otc or prescription MAO-B inhibitors (coffee actually works quite well).

Originally Posted by Acetyl-CoA

First off, there may be a placebo effect going on. Secondly, to really get any feeling that even APPROACHES ball-to-the-wall sailing, you need to megadose the stuff.

I will say alot of people stacked 1-2 grams, semi-illegally, with the MAO-B inihibitor selegeline (Deprenyl) that they ordered from a foreign pharmacy. I wouldn't doubt that this would do the trick.

But to anyone who has ever been on psychostimulants for ADD/ADHD, or recreational users/SAT exam junkies back in the day, then the feeling of PEA will not be subjectively special as they have experienced what is really 100X the feeling.

I guess I'm trying to say this stuff is not legal speed. It is basically really potent chocolate. The feeling it gives is quite literally the same when you cuddle up with a girl and feel that "good" feeling (upstairs, that is, not downstairs)

And FYI 8 pills is two grams at 250 mg pills. With no MAO-B inihibition the chemical love lasts about 120 secons.

Placebo effect is from a compound that has no active effect, both PEA and it's metabolites are active. I'm not sure what you consider megadosing most people I've given PEA to find 2-4 caps pretty potent.

The effects from straight PEA lasts several hours to the entire day from most of our loggers. The intense effects tend to last anywhere from 10-60 mins from 1 dosing protocol. What's your basis for 120 seconds?

Thank you for your viewpoints.

[BodyMan123]

Originally Posted by Acetyl-CoA

But to anyone who has ever been on psychostimulants for ADD/ADHD, or recreational users/SAT exam junkies back in the day, then the feeling of PEA will not be subjectively special as they have experienced what is really 100X the feeling.

i sorta agree w/ you and not. Ive used adderol before and yeah it takes me 3-5grams to feel it pretty good. this is when im like feeling really good though LOL if you know what im sayin (more then average people)

in a way its like people who use NO-Xplode for the 1st time and get that caffeine rush. haha

adderol and those drugs are not 100X the feeling of PEA. maybe 2-3X

[CognitiveNutrition]

Originally Posted by MegaPump

My only concern is that I hope that chemical love doesn't effect the natural processes like down regulation or some other effect on emotional state or natural chemical response to curtain situations that can be noticed by the individual. Personally I wouldn't go taking PEA like its a large dose of chocolate. Those chemical feelings you get are produced in the body in very small doses. Your basically flooding your mind with this chemical product or however its produced or works in a very unnatural way.

My other concern is that there is no evidence or studies or knowledge of PEA's effect on the mind in doses above 50 mg. BB.com users are taking 30-60x or more what was ever safely used in studies.

I know that there's no such thing as a free ride, and there's "no free lunch" in life, you cant get something for nothing, and that if your getting a high from something and you cant see the health effects outside of heart rate and blotchy skin, its either hidden or unknown. Take Salvia for example. All im saying is be cautious with continuous or long term use and high doses. It also does have high potential for dependance and psychological addiction. Im not hating on it, im Just saying be cautious and aware.

I respect your concerns (and agree with most of them) and I'll make a few points on them.

Our brain levels of PEA are increased everytime we drink coffee, eat chocolate, smoke, workout, or are in a highly stressful situation. Many people sadly have a deficiency of PEA and can benefit from raising their levels not that unlike taking 5-htp, l-tyrosine, l-theanine, etc to raise your levels of Serotonin, Dopamine, or GABA.

Increasing any neurotransmitter or neuromodulator (in PEA's case) excessively can certainly cause problems, however having them too low is equally as concerning. There in lies the best approach to find your ideal dose that gives you benefits with minimum side effects. Be it used as needed or several times a week.

I've had members logging higher doses of PEA since and no one has reported any meaningful concerns as of yet. Some people do have negative reactions to it (nausea, heartburn, headaches, increased bp and/or hr) to list a few but it simply shows those people they do not benefit from having elevated levels of PEA in their system and thankfully is not the majority of users.

There is no way to know 100% the total effects of any compound supplement or food at this time and I certainly don't suggest anyone use this it doses higher than the minimum dose needed to feel an effect or for long term daily use. I see this best used as needed or on a semi regular basis if you want the benefits it provides.

On your last note I'll agree like any food or supplement psychological addiction can occur, however as far as high potential for dependence I see no support from the research or the over 70 loggers and many other users of this comment.

[Acetyl-CoA]

Originally Posted by CognitiveNutrition

You may want to try it by itself without other supplements following a dosing protocol if you would like to get a detailed experience of what it does for you. It seems most people need up to a week or so to find the ideal dosing for them if it works for their system.



Most of the over 70 BB loggers only need 2-4 capsules to feel the effects. If I may ask what is your basis for up to 20 pills? Have you tried it?

PEA is quickly metabolized (converted) in several active compounds with play a role in it's effects as well and is enhanced by otc or prescription MAO-B inhibitors (coffee actually works quite well).



Placebo effect is from a compound that has no active effect, both PEA and it's metabolites are active. I'm not sure what you consider megadosing most people I've given PEA to find 2-4 caps pretty potent.

The effects from straight PEA lasts several hours to the entire day from most of our loggers. The intense effects tend to last anywhere from 10-60 mins from 1 dosing protocol. What's your basis for 120 seconds?

Thank you for your viewpoints.

CognitiveNutrition, yes I've taken PEA. In fact, I tried your own company's formulation (Unique Nutrition) purchased right here at bb.com... woo hoo how about that...

Anyway... I took four pills (1 gram) and waited about 20 minutes. I felt a little mild good feeling for about a minute, then it went away. Then I took four more, and so on. I got up to about 40 pills, and I realized that the sheer chemical volume of phenylethylamine might not be good, so I stopped. A very non-amped wavy buzz (and I'm being generous with that description) lasted about 20 minutes, with continous pill-swallowing.

And in my own humble opinion, this comes nowhere near the effects of adderall. I have been on Adderall at times when I was younger, mostly moderated doses. Comparing PEA to adderall and the like is like comparing oral DHEA to halotestin or methyltestosterone. A go-cart to a Ferrari. You get the idea.

But maybe what the loggers were after is not anything in the order of what psychostimulant medications provide. So I'm sure they got the mild effects they were after.


But keeping an open mind if people here honestly felt very good from 8 pills of PEA, then all the more power to you! It's harmless.

[Chulainn]

Thanks, got a bottle on it's way. Maybe after we can talk about our PEA stories together.

[CognitiveNutrition]

Originally Posted by Acetyl-CoA

CognitiveNutrition, yes I've taken PEA. In fact, I tried your own company's formulation (Unique Nutrition) purchased right here at bb.com... woo hoo how about that...

Anyway... I took four pills (1 gram) and waited about 20 minutes. I felt a little mild good feeling for about a minute, then it went away. Then I took four more, and so on. I got up to about 40 pills, and I realized that the sheer chemical volume of phenylethylamine might not be good, so I stopped. A very non-amped wavy buzz (and I'm being generous with that description) lasted about 20 minutes, with continous pill-swallowing.

And in my own humble opinion, this comes nowhere near the effects of adderall. I have been on Adderall at times when I was younger, mostly moderated doses. Comparing PEA to adderall and the like is like comparing oral DHEA to halotestin or methyltestosterone. A go-cart to a Ferrari. You get the idea.

But maybe what the loggers were after is not anything in the order of what psychostimulant medications provide. So I'm sure they got the mild effects they were after.


But keeping an open mind if people here honestly felt very good from 8 pills of PEA, then all the more power to you! It's harmless.

Oh you bought the 250 mg caps I usually recommend the 500-750 mg caps as the effective dose tends to be around 1.5-2 grams. I don't feel anything less than 1.5 grams myself.

I'm not sure what the basis for your dosing protocol was but it explains your results and it is certainly something I would not recommend anyone do for several reasons (I can go into detail here or pm if anyone would like a breakdown).

While I'm glad you're sharing the experiences you've had with the dosing protocol you've used I don't consider you to have really felt PEA based on how you dosed it and your results.

If you would like to try my suggested protocol for why so many BB's like PEA it's in my signature and I can guide you on how to achieve the best results with it. I've had many people try PEA on their own and not get any results however when following my advice the success rate goes up dramatically.

[Acetyl-CoA]

Well thanks CognitiveNutrition. I still have about half the bottle, so I'll PM you if I ever decide to try it again. Hopefully I am capable of experiencing whatever feeling it is people are describing (if I haven't indeed already felt that and not been impressed b/c of past chemical experiences).

The only other thing I have to say is: I wouldn't mix PEA and alot of alcohol. For those of you in college or those that still party hard on weekends, use extra caution if you use PEA, or REALLY just don't take PEA on days you drink. You just may be asking for trouble. I'll leave it at that.

[BodyMan123]

Originally Posted by Acetyl-CoA

Well thanks CognitiveNutrition. I still have about half the bottle, so I'll PM you if I ever decide to try it again. Hopefully I am capable of experiencing whatever feeling it is people are describing (if I haven't indeed already felt that and not been impressed b/c of past chemical experiences).

The only other thing I have to say is: I wouldn't mix PEA and alot of alcohol. For those of you in college or those that still party hard on weekends, use extra caution if you use PEA, or REALLY just don't take PEA on days you drink. You just may be asking for trouble. I'll leave it at that.

why cant you take PEA and alcohol?? im not saying your wrong. i just want to know the science behind it. i dont drink alcohol so i wouldnt have to worry...but im just wondering.

[Acetyl-CoA]

Originally Posted by BodyMan123

why cant you take PEA and alcohol?? im not saying your wrong. i just want to know the science behind it. i dont drink alcohol so i wouldnt have to worry...but im just wondering.

It's late, and I don't really have the energy to have a PubMed-posting field day and reference neuropsych textbooks. I promise you there is nothing directly saying: "the effects of supplemental PEA and alcohol consumption." But the science has to do with dopamine, MAO-B, and alcohol's role in that. I may decide to cite some things, but I'm sure CogNutri would just refute everything...

In truth, I bring this up from personal experience. Take away what you want. End of semester college party... 2 guys, 3 chicks... loud music, endless beer pong, crown royal, champagne, bacardi (all polished off) and... (drumrolls) just 1000 mg of PEA that day!

Things went from innocent drinking, to naked partying, to broken windows and punched in doors at my friend's place, lost wallets, and blacked-out police statements. I personally attribute all the madness to taking PEA that day. I never had an experience like that out of probably 50+ nights like that in college.


Look, if you guys don't believe me then try it. I'm just posting this so ya'll maybe exercise a little caution if you must booze and do PEA. Don't like to see fellow bodybuilders in bad situations...

[newequation]

Originally Posted by Acetyl-CoA

Things went from innocent drinking, to naked partying, to broken windows and punched in doors at my friend's place, lost wallets, and blacked-out police statements. I personally attribute all the madness to taking PEA that day.

Your posts in this thread went from questionable to straight retarded.

[Acetyl-CoA]

Originally Posted by newequation

Your posts in this thread went from questionable to straight retarded.

Just posting my experience and opinion. You don't have to listen nor agree with me.

[dogonfire]

Originally Posted by Acetyl-CoA

Just posting my experience and opinion. You don't have to listen nor agree with me.

Come on now, PEA causing you to go ape**** is just ridiculous. You're apperantly a B.S. in biochem, I think you should know it wouldn't cause that to happen, even logically. You were DRINKING.

[MuscleManxx]

i didnt see the focus effects at all.. just very happy, relaxed..and like i said as if i was floating on clouds

[MegaPump]

On a general note its good to hear that you do responsibly mainly agree with me. You would have a big influence over its use since you are the one selling it. But like anything, caution and awareness should be known, and we agree on that.

Originally Posted by CognitiveNutrition

I respect your concerns (and agree with most of them) and I'll make a few points on them.

Our brain levels of PEA are increased everytime we drink coffee, eat chocolate, smoke, workout, or are in a highly stressful situation. Many people sadly have a deficiency of PEA and can benefit from raising their levels not that unlike taking 5-htp, l-tyrosine, l-theanine, etc to raise your levels of Serotonin, Dopamine, or GABA.


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PEA levels are ever so slightly increased, but, not to even the smallest fraction of what we get from PEA. People can guess if they have low PEA levels, and I think in most cases self diagnoses and treatment is misdiagnosed and thus mistreated. I generally don't believe in people trying to fix a neurotransmitter imbalance on there own. I think most people end up creating another problem somewhere else. I will accept that you will obviously have a different expressed opinion of that. On the other hand if someone was to take a bit of 5-HTP or GABA or something of the like, that would be fine. Some of the stuff people on mind and muscle are doing is ridiculus.
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Increasing any neurotransmitter or neuromodulator (in PEA's case) excessively can certainly cause problems, however having them too low is equally as concerning. There in lies the best approach to find your ideal dose that gives you benefits with minimum side effects. Be it used as needed or several times a week.

I've had members logging higher doses of PEA since and no one has reported any meaningful concerns as of yet. Some people do have negative reactions to it (nausea, heartburn, headaches, increased bp and/or hr) to list a few but it simply shows those people they do not benefit from having elevated levels of PEA in their system and thankfully is not the majority of users.


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Yep, thats what we know of and is obvious to our conscious and awareness, but what concerns me is what we don't know, what we cant see, feel, and what we don't realize. It may be possible that other people may notice these changes. Im talking about that natural PEA down regulation. PEA response to natural situations. That loving feeling, changes in emotion and response to curtain situations. In that case I think it would be slightly down regulated and gradual. I think it may be possible that we cant and wont notice these changes if they happen/ing.
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There is no way to know 100% the total effects of any compound supplement or food at this time and I certainly don't suggest anyone use this it doses higher than the minimum dose needed to feel an effect or for long term daily use. I see this best used as needed or on a semi regular basis if you want the benefits it provides.

On your last note I'll agree like any food or supplement psychological addiction can occur, however as far as high potential for dependence I see no support from the research or the over 70 loggers and many other users of this comment.

[dayward]

do any of u guys get splochy or anything after??? my forearms and face are hella red.

[bhylton]

Originally Posted by dayward

do any of u guys get splochy or anything after??? my forearms and face are hella red.

Yep, my face turns red.

[Squat2Grow]

Originally Posted by Acetyl-CoA

First off, there may be a placebo effect going on. Secondly, to really get any feeling that even APPROACHES ball-to-the-wall sailing, you need to megadose the stuff.

I will say alot of people stacked 1-2 grams, semi-illegally, with the MAO-B inihibitor selegeline (Deprenyl) that they ordered from a foreign pharmacy. I wouldn't doubt that this would do the trick.

But to anyone who has ever been on psychostimulants for ADD/ADHD, or recreational users/SAT exam junkies back in the day, then the feeling of PEA will not be subjectively special as they have experienced what is really 100X the feeling.

I guess I'm trying to say this stuff is not legal speed. It is basically really potent chocolate. The feeling it gives is quite literally the same when you cuddle up with a girl and feel that "good" feeling (upstairs, that is, not downstairs)


And FYI 8 pills is two grams at 250 mg pills. With no MAO-B inihibition the chemical love lasts about 120 secons.

No need to mega dose PEA. 1000mg + 500mg works very well for most people which is 3 caps of the 500mg version.

No placebo effect either

I'd suggest to NEVER take 1-2grams PEA with something like deprenyl... I don't think it would be much fun