DC training

[Dad_in_KC]

Tonight was my first night trying the doggcrap workout. A couple of insights -

1) It kicked my butt. (actually my chest, back, shoulders and tri's)
2) The stretches were as hard or harder than the actual lifts. Is that normal?

Mike

[JOHN GARGANI]

DAD: you are repped...and why???

because unlike the "usual" on here, and this is the usual:

"what is DC training" or " Does DC training work"



unlike that, you took the time , obviously, to look it up and I presume, read about it, then, YOU ACTUALLY DID IT...

after that, you then came on here and made the comment and question that you did.....

reps.......

[Old-Time-Lifter]

Originally Posted by JOHN GARGANI

DAD: you are repped...and why???

because unlike the "usual" on here, and this is the usual:

"what is DC training" or " Does DC training work"



unlike that, you took the time , obviously, to look it up and I presume, read about it, then, YOU ACTUALLY DID IT...

after that, you then came on here and made the comment and question that you did.....

reps.......

Good Luck in your new journey KC Dad!!

John, I hope you're not discouraging folks from asking questions?

And I agree that everyone should do as much research as they can before jumping into a new type of program. But humans tend to be uncertain many times and we all often ask questions that we really should and do know the answers to..

And whereas I have not felt inclined to research DoggCrapp training, what little I have looked at it seems to be scattered here and there in multiple threads (stickies and unstuck) and posts and even different forums. There may well be an actual web site that sets out the theory and techniques in a straight forward logical manner, but I just haven't seen it (I'm NOT saying it's not out there, I just haven't stumbled onto a link to it) ......... but honestly I'm not looking for it either.

Again KC Dad good luck and keep us posted.

[Mr. Someday]

You can find all you ever needed to know about DC over at Intense Muscle in the Dogg Pound if you are ever interested.

[dbx]

Originally Posted by Old-Time-Lifter

John, I hope you're not discouraging folks from asking questions?

There may well be an actual web site that sets out the theory and techniques in a straight forward logical manner, but I just haven't seen it (I'm NOT saying it's not out there, I just haven't stumbled onto a link to it) ......... but honestly I'm not looking for it either.

Well, John was kinda over the top assuming a lot and praising a guy we never see here for making a simple post that basically said, "I tried it for the first time, it kicked my butt, and those stretches are hell."

But if you're interested, I think this link will work: http://dc-training.blogspot.com/

[dbx]

Originally Posted by Mr. Someday

You can find all you ever needed to know about DC over at Intense Muscle in the Dogg Pound if you are ever interested.

OK, I thought the mention of IM would be blocked, but it could be gotten to via my link.

[jmhester]

Congrats, Dad! I'm on week 2 of DC and, yes, the stretching sucks! But I swear I'm lifting heavier after only one week! DC ROCKS!

[Dad_in_KC]

Originally Posted by dbx

OK, I thought the mention of IM would be blocked, but it could be gotten to via my link.

Thanks for the link - awesome information there. For anyone interested in this workout that link is MUST READ material, imo.

Mike

[Dad_in_KC]

One thing that I want clarity on - if possible is regarding the statics the author mentions. Using incline bench w/dumbbells as an example, if I am using 70 lb dbells for my major RP set, once I am done with the set I should up the weight and perform a static "rep", holding the weights approx. half way up to the top position for as long as I can. Once done with my static rep I would move on to the stretch for chest. Does that sound correct?

I screwed up last night and did all of my lifting first and then went back and did all the stretches... a good reason to follow the link that was posted for detailed instructions.

Mike

[dbx]

Originally Posted by jmhester

Congrats, Dad! I'm on week 2 of DC and, yes, the stretching sucks! But I swear I'm lifting heavier after only one week! DC ROCKS!

You're very likely lifting heavier weights simply because you're psyched, lofl. And that's just common with any new program you "get into". It's all good!

Originally Posted by Dad_in_KC

Thanks for the link - awesome information there. For anyone interested in this workout that link is MUST READ material, imo.

Mike

I don't recall how I found it, but I always search for multiple sources of information for most anything I do. I always seem to find a few different angles/takes on a subject.

Originally Posted by Dad_in_KC

One thing that I want clarity on - if possible is regarding the statics the author mentions. Using incline bench w/dumbbells as an example, if I am using 70 lb dbells for my major RP set, once I am done with the set I should up the weight and perform a static "rep", holding the weights approx. half way up to the top position for as long as I can. Once done with my static rep I would move on to the stretch for chest. Does that sound correct?

I would think that the stretch should be done with the bench flat, but I suppose it wouldn't kill the other way. I'll have to defer to others here...

Originally Posted by Dad_in_KC

I screwed up last night and did all of my lifting first and then went back and did all the stretches... a good reason to follow the link that was posted for detailed instructions.

Mike

Funny you should mention this . This morning was only my 5th workout, and I did the exact same thing! I would bet money...it's no big deal, as long as the facia is stretched at some point within reason.

[Dad_in_KC]

I am reading every post on the im page - everything we need is there. I may be to new for this type of training (only been lifting for about a year and half) but I am going to arm myself with the info and see.

Mike

[Mr. Someday]

Static is done on the last rep...it isn't a separate or added rep.

Also, DB's are tough to RP with. Takes a lot of energy to get them back into place each time especially when you really start moving some weight!

[dbx]

Originally Posted by Dad_in_KC

I am reading every post on the im page - everything we need is there. I may be to new for this type of training (only been lifting for about a year and half) but I am going to arm myself with the info and see.

Mike

You are "supposedly" not a good candidate for DC training at this stage in your lifting, but proceed with caution. If you don't know what it's like to scream, yell, almost cry (at least a tear welling ), then you're not ready. I've had two shoulder surgeries within 12 months, and I'm loving every minute of it, although it it so still so new. I've given advice and talked about rack deads here lately, for other's benefit, but I haven't been doing them because of the surgeries...until today! First time in over a year. Don't laugh, but I started with 220 for warm-up, and then 315 for 15 reps. I'll be back at over 500# easy after a couple of weeks.

I've had to "cheat" with the program, so to speak, but only to get around limitations. It IS....ALL.....GOOD!

[Dad_in_KC]

Thanks dbx - I will be careful. It's time I do something like this though. My priorities (training wise) have been out of line. I have been cutting forever, with success (down to 12+% from mid 20's) but am tired of being thin. I know I am capable of putting muscle on and it's high time I get busy. I am so sick of trying to lift heavy to save muscle instead of build it - I wanted to get to 10% but F it I need to get big - I can cut later. ARGGGGHHHH. Clean calories sky rocket tomorrow...

Mike

[Old-Time-Lifter]

Originally Posted by Mr. Someday

You can find all you ever needed to know about DC over at Intense Muscle in the Dogg Pound if you are ever interested.

Thanks to both you and DBX for the links.

Right now my training 'facilities' (basement) are just not extensive enough to do DC. Perhaps some time next year I will move to the gym.

[NuclearArms]

Have you given thought as to why it kicked your butt?

[alkell]

The weights you are lifting will increase fairly dramatically because you are not trying to last till the 3rd or 4th set to get your reps in and therefore pre-fatiguing your muscles with a lighter weight. You are just going balls out to get 1 set in with rest pauses (not forgetting your warm ups).

Sometimes I can't get the weight back up for the static rep on the last rep particularly using dumbells for chest presses (great point you raise there to Mr Someday) so I will take another 12 deep breath's and then do the static, otherwise try to do it on your last rest pause as said by Mr Someday.

It's great to see some more people in the over 35's trying DC (and a few more DC threads).

[someday]

yes, the stretches are as hard as the lifts! if they don't you aren't doing them long enough. with that said, they should be a pleasurable pain.

[alkell]

Originally Posted by someday

yes, the stretches are as hard as the lifts! if they don't you aren't doing them long enough. with that said, they should be a pleasurable pain.

Or with enough intensity, really lean into the tri stretches, lift your elbows to the sky (for the bar version of the tricep stretch).

I've found with the extreme back stretch if I look straight ahead or even tuck my chin in a bit I get a better stretch than looking up at the roof.

With the shoulder stretch you need to make sure you roll/ push your shoulders down.

[someday]

Originally Posted by alkell

Or with enough intensity, really lean into the tri stretches, lift your elbows to the sky (for the bar version of the tricep stretch).

I've found with the extreme back stretch if I look straight ahead or even tuck my chin in a bit I get a better stretch than looking up at the roof.

With the shoulder stretch you need to make sure you roll/ push your shoulders down.

well that was a given...if you aren't doing them right, why bother

[egoatdoor]

Originally Posted by Dad_in_KC

Tonight was my first night trying the doggcrap workout. A couple of insights -

1) It kicked my butt. (actually my chest, back, shoulders and tri's)
2) The stretches were as hard or harder than the actual lifts. Is that normal?

Mike

The stretches will be very hard at the beginning, both because your body is not used to this stress, plus getting them right may take some effort. I've been doing DC for over two years and it took awhile for me to get the bicep stretches right so that my bis were doing the stretch.

Originally Posted by Mr. Someday

Static is done on the last rep...it isn't a separate or added rep.

Also, DB's are tough to RP with. Takes a lot of energy to get them back into place each time especially when you really start moving some weight!

I want to second this on dumbbells. As you progress, the weights are going to increase and you will be expending a ton of energy getting the weights back up the second and third time. You may also become more susceptible to injury, which is what actually happened to me in September 2007. Damaged my rotator cuff lifting dumbbells up on the first rest pause of incline dumbbell presses. I now use strictly machines and Smiths for all of my pushing rest pause exercises.

[davesporty]

Originally Posted by Dad_in_KC

Tonight was my first night trying the doggcrap workout. A couple of insights -

1) It kicked my butt. (actually my chest, back, shoulders and tri's)
2) The stretches were as hard or harder than the actual lifts. Is that normal?

Mike

I have been doing DC since 3 weeks now and i love the intensity of it all especially the one minute long stretching/short static holds where appropiate.My workouts last around 30-45 mins max including warmup sets.
That u can hit the same bodypart twice in 9 or 10 days really makes sense.
Glad i succumbed to DC!

[Mr. Someday]

Originally Posted by egoatdoor

The stretches will be very hard at the beginning, both because your body is not used to this stress, plus getting them right may take some effort. I've been doing DC for over two years and it took awhile for me to get the bicep stretches right so that my bis were doing the stretch.



I want to second this on dumbbells. As you progress, the weights are going to increase and you will be expending a ton of energy getting the weights back up the second and third time.

I should take my own advice! lol I was at a great little hardcore gym today that only had a Hammer Strength incline press (which I used last workout) and an angled Smith, which I hate. But they did have an incline bench and a dusty pair of 150# db's, so I couldn't resist! Holy crap was that a super tough rest pause set!! First time I've gone past 140's. Not easy finding db's that size anymore! Anyhow, point is.... db's do not make a great tool in the DC arsenal! So do as I say, not as I do.

[MORGAZM]

Originally Posted by davesporty

I have been doing DC since 3 weeks now and i love the intensity of it all especially the one minute long stretching/short static holds where appropiate.My workouts last around 30-45 mins max including warmup sets.
That u can hit the same bodypart twice in 9 or 10 days really makes sense.
Glad i succumbed to DC!

DAVO

[davesporty]

Originally Posted by MORGAZM

DAVO

What?