 |
04-09-2009, 04:36 PM
|
#1
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: QLD, Australia
Age: 26
Stats: 126 lbs
Posts: 8
BodyPoints: 0
|
Testosterone Enanthate
Hi, just a quick, general query. Is it better to dose Test E at:
- 1 x 500mg a week or
- 2 x 250mg a week?
Look forward to your response. And no, this isnt for me. This is a general query - im not after advice on PCT or anything else - just dosing.
|
|
|
04-09-2009, 05:09 PM
|
#2
|
|
Stats: 6'4" tall 230lbs
Join Date: Sep 2008
Age: 55
Posts: 453
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 0
|
2 x 250mg a week
|
|
|
04-09-2009, 05:16 PM
|
#3
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2007
Age: 25
Stats: 6'2", 205 lbs
Posts: 432
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 2496
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroitHammer
2 x 250mg a week
|
yep
|
|
|
04-09-2009, 06:38 PM
|
#4
|
|
Doin' it for the lulz.
Join Date: Jun 2008
Age: 26
Stats: 5'8", 187 lbs
Posts: 6,535
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 0
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroitHammer
2 x 250mg a week
|
that right there
__________________
Sine labore nihil.
(Without work, nothing.)
|
|
|
04-09-2009, 06:48 PM
|
#5
|
|
Registered Abuser
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, Illinois, United States
Age: 23
Stats: 5'9", 208 lbs
Posts: 2,226
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 4428
|
Your really not going to see much of a difference. I've done both.
__________________
See you at Anabolic-Authority.
|
|
|
04-09-2009, 06:54 PM
|
#6
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2008
Stats: 6'0", 275 lbs
Posts: 884
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 0
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumkid20
Your really not going to see much of a difference. I've done both.
|
x2 ....exactly, ive done both and there is no big differance.
|
|
|
04-09-2009, 09:47 PM
|
#7
|
|
LOL, Wut?
Join Date: Nov 2006
Age: 31
Stats: 5'9", 210 lbs
Posts: 1,744
BodyPoints: 12690
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumkid20
Your really not going to see much of a difference. I've done both.
|
Them's blasphemous words bro. I've seen bros hang for less  True though. Long estered test will disperse the same. 13 day half life, why not shoot it once a week???
__________________
Me Squatting 405X5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tirPD1kKkuQ
This link might save your life.
http://www.superhumanradio.com/rss/2009/SHR_Show_388.mp3
|
|
|
04-09-2009, 11:20 PM
|
#8
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2007
Age: 23
Stats: 6'0", 205 lbs
Posts: 128
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 915
|
Wonder why everyone seems to say 250mg x week then?
|
|
|
04-09-2009, 11:34 PM
|
#9
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2007
Age: 26
Stats: 6'4", 274 lbs
Posts: 821
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 1121
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by malex15
Wonder why everyone seems to say 250mg x week then?
|
if you knew this you probably wouldnt be in the red
__________________
once a man, becoming the machine
Anabolic-Authority.com
|
|
|
04-09-2009, 11:47 PM
|
#10
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2007
Age: 23
Stats: 6'0", 205 lbs
Posts: 128
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 915
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sixguns
if you knew this you probably wouldnt be in the red
|
I am not really concerned about my red/green status as you can tell. but it seems to me like 250x2 week would be more optimal especially in the last week of the cycle. I am not an experienced user myself and one can only really know how your body would respond if you tried both options and logged the complete cycle. But I am sure its not that big of a deal to must people and pining 1week appeals more to the weak.
|
|
|
04-10-2009, 01:49 AM
|
#11
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2008
Stats: 6'0", 275 lbs
Posts: 884
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 0
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by malex15
I am not really concerned about my red/green status as you can tell. but it seems to me like 250x2 week would be more optimal especially in the last week of the cycle. I am not an experienced user myself and one can only really know how your body would respond if you tried both options and logged the complete cycle. But I am sure its not that big of a deal to must people and pining 1week appeals more to the weak.
|
actually its not for the weak, ive pinned 3 and 4 times a week, its the fact that out of the 250mg .....200mg is enanthate and 50mg is propinate and people say dividing up the doses is better cuz of the propinate ester in there . if your taking a high enough dose yeah it would be worth breaking it up but if you break up a small 500mg dose you wont feel any differance from that 50mg of propinate.
|
|
|
04-10-2009, 10:59 AM
|
#12
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2007
Age: 26
Stats: 6'4", 274 lbs
Posts: 821
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 1121
|
test enanthate does not have 50mg prop in it, i dont know where you get your ****, but even if that was a blend, it would be a silly blend
__________________
once a man, becoming the machine
Anabolic-Authority.com
|
|
|
04-10-2009, 11:17 AM
|
#13
|
|
Registered Abuser
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, Illinois, United States
Age: 23
Stats: 5'9", 208 lbs
Posts: 2,226
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 4428
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnyb123
actually its not for the weak, ive pinned 3 and 4 times a week, its the fact that out of the 250mg .....200mg is enanthate and 50mg is propinate and people say dividing up the doses is better cuz of the propinate ester in there . if your taking a high enough dose yeah it would be worth breaking it up but if you break up a small 500mg dose you wont feel any differance from that 50mg of propinate.
|
Definately a vet.
__________________
See you at Anabolic-Authority.
|
|
|
04-10-2009, 12:40 PM
|
#14
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Canada
Stats: 5'8"
Posts: 3,071
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 8206
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumkid20
Definately a vet. 
|
LOL...
but to answer the question, I'd say two reasons...
1.) volume per injection.. less volume = happy quads/delts for me.
2.) more stable plasma levels.. keep your levels withing the thresholds that your body will show sides and you won't have the sides.. If once a week works for you, go for it..
__________________
I'm either in the kitchen, or at the gym.
Eat your ass...
-------------------------------------------
homeless now with no AAS section :(
|
|
|
04-10-2009, 01:25 PM
|
#15
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2007
Age: 23
Stats: 6'0", 205 lbs
Posts: 128
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 915
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnyb123
actually its not for the weak, ive pinned 3 and 4 times a week, its the fact that out of the 250mg .....200mg is enanthate and 50mg is propinate and people say dividing up the doses is better cuz of the propinate ester in there . if your taking a high enough dose yeah it would be worth breaking it up but if you break up a small 500mg dose you wont feel any differance from that 50mg of propinate.
|
Ya Test enanthate has no prop in it. It's Oil and Test E. Thats all.
|
|
|
04-10-2009, 02:53 PM
|
#16
|
|
Mad Dog
Join Date: Mar 2009
Age: 29
Stats: 55'10", 259 lbs
Posts: 37
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 0
Rep Power: 0 
|
2x250mg
1. You'll keep your test level on same during cycle.
2. Less cc to inject, less possible problems.
There is at least 1 more reason but can't remember..
1x500 a week looks like this:
1st inject 500mg
2nd inject 500mg + 375mg from 1st
3rd inject 500mg + 625mg from 1st & 2nd
4th inject 500mg + 750mg from 1st, 2nd & 3rd
5th inject 500mg + 750mg from 2nd, 3rd & 4th
..and so on..
2x250 a week looks like this:
1st inject 250mg 1st week
2nd inject 250mg + ~214mg from 1st 1st week
3rd inject 250mg + ~392mg from 1st & 2nd 2nd week
4th inject 250mg + ~535mg from 1st, 2nd & 3rd 2nd week
5th inject 250mg + ~642mg from 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 4th 3rd week
6th inject 250mg + ~713mg from 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th 3rd week
7th inject 250mg + ~749mg from 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th & 6th 4rh week
8th inject 250mg + ~749mg from 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th 4th week
..and so on..
This chart is based on 14day half life for easier calculating.
Test level is much more stable on 2x250mg a week..
Last edited by NewMemberAAS; 04-10-2009 at 03:20 PM.
|
|
|
04-13-2009, 11:17 PM
|
#17
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Posts: 64
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 0
Rep Power: 2 
|
ive heard to only use 250mg for the 1st 2 weeks coz it doesnt take affect until week 3-4 ? hence wasting the rest if doing 500mg ?
|
|
|
04-13-2009, 11:27 PM
|
#18
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2007
Age: 26
Stats: 6'4", 274 lbs
Posts: 821
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 1121
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1formula
ive heard to only use 250mg for the 1st 2 weeks coz it doesnt take affect until week 3-4 ? hence wasting the rest if doing 500mg ?
|
stop whie your ahead, id just delete that post if i were you
__________________
once a man, becoming the machine
Anabolic-Authority.com
|
|
|
04-13-2009, 11:40 PM
|
#19
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2008
Age: 23
Stats: 5'11", 201 lbs
Posts: 5,174
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 0
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sixguns
stop whie your ahead, id just delete that post if i were you
|
strong noobage in this thread eh. especially the guy saying enanthate has prop in it. too funny.
|
|
|
04-13-2009, 11:45 PM
|
#20
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Posts: 64
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 0
Rep Power: 2 
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sixguns
stop whie your ahead, id just delete that post if i were you
|
Please explain?
Im here to gain knowledge
|
|
|
04-13-2009, 11:57 PM
|
#21
|
|
cuttin' from 250
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: New Jersey, United States
Stats: 6'2", 220 lbs
Posts: 677
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 1780
|
ideally i would reccomend 125mg eod, the more you pin the better, if you can handle it that is. i have no problems pinning ed and rotating spots.
ive found that the more you inject, the more stable your blood levels will be, and with that comes less sides and more gaining.
btw thats just my opinion
__________________
Im not like everyone. I dont live like they live. I dont eat what they eat. No donuts. No coffee with cream and two sugars. No morning papers. Its 6:52 am & I'm on my second meal. While everyone else is hitting the snooze, Im hitting my stride. No coffee breaks. No weekends. No sick days. What do I do? I'm a bodybuilder & yeah, its a job.
The Official Anabolic Steroid Section Family
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=107569731
|
|
|
04-14-2009, 01:26 AM
|
#22
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2009
Age: 31
Stats: 269'0", 213 lbs
Posts: 171
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 0
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1formula
ive heard to only use 250mg for the 1st 2 weeks coz it doesnt take affect until week 3-4 ? hence wasting the rest if doing 500mg ?
|
The reason that long estered gear doesent take effect immediately is that it takes time for the ester to break down and, in this case, the test to be released. If you lower the initial doses you INCREASE the time it takes for enough test to be available to make a noticable difference.
But if you double the initial dose you make more test available to the body quicker, and decrease the time it takes to get noticable effects.
The enanthate ester in test has a halflife of ~11days (i have seen anything from 5-12 days reported) That means that half of the ester will break down under the period of 11 days and half of the original test will be made available.
1x 250mg inject means that you added 125mg (not taking into account the weight of the actual ester here, I know) test over the period of 11 days.
1x 1000mg inject means that in the same time you've added 500mg of test to the body.
The testosterone itself gets to work as soon as it's available for the body, but test with long esters takes awhile to build up, and thats what creates the lag before you see its effects.
Hope this cleared things up 1formula
/MA_F
|
|
|
04-14-2009, 04:23 AM
|
#23
|
|
Next Mr.O
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Romford, United Kingdom (Great Britain)
Age: 25
Stats: 5'11", 176 lbs
Posts: 522
BodyPoints: 4370
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by dominooch88
ideally i would reccomend 125mg eod, the more you pin the better, if you can handle it that is. i have no problems pinning ed and rotating spots.
ive found that the more you inject, the more stable your blood levels will be, and with that comes less sides and more gaining.
btw thats just my opinion 
|
My 1st course was eod on sus, You don't even notice pinning after the 2 week
__________________
Cheat Curls worked for Arnold they will work for me too!
This Genetics stuff is bullsh*t , train hard and you can have what ever you want.
|
|
|
04-14-2009, 04:25 AM
|
#24
|
|
Next Mr.O
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Romford, United Kingdom (Great Britain)
Age: 25
Stats: 5'11", 176 lbs
Posts: 522
BodyPoints: 4370
|
Aint the poster of this a female? So wouldn't you change from 2x 250mg?
I'm just asking
__________________
Cheat Curls worked for Arnold they will work for me too!
This Genetics stuff is bullsh*t , train hard and you can have what ever you want.
|
|
|
04-14-2009, 05:20 AM
|
#25
|
|
Doin' it for the lulz.
Join Date: Jun 2008
Age: 26
Stats: 5'8", 187 lbs
Posts: 6,535
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 0
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by allenkster
LOL...
but to answer the question, I'd say two reasons...
1.) volume per injection.. less volume = happy quads/delts for me.
2.) more stable plasma levels.. keep your levels withing the thresholds that your body will show sides and you won't have the sides.. If once a week works for you, go for it..
|
Mainly I would go with 2x a week just for reduced injection volume.
__________________
Sine labore nihil.
(Without work, nothing.)
|
|
|
04-14-2009, 06:12 PM
|
#26
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Posts: 64
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 0
Rep Power: 2 
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ma_fighter
The reason that long estered gear doesent take effect immediately is that it takes time for the ester to break down and, in this case, the test to be released. If you lower the initial doses you INCREASE the time it takes for enough test to be available to make a noticable difference.
But if you double the initial dose you make more test available to the body quicker, and decrease the time it takes to get noticable effects.
The enanthate ester in test has a halflife of ~11days (i have seen anything from 5-12 days reported) That means that half of the ester will break down under the period of 11 days and half of the original test will be made available.
1x 250mg inject means that you added 125mg (not taking into account the weight of the actual ester here, I know) test over the period of 11 days.
1x 1000mg inject means that in the same time you've added 500mg of test to the body.
The testosterone itself gets to work as soon as it's available for the body, but test with long esters takes awhile to build up, and thats what creates the lag before you see its effects.
Hope this cleared things up 1formula
/MA_F
|
Thank you mate
Cheers..All clear
|
|
|
04-14-2009, 06:46 PM
|
#27
|
|
Zombie Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2003
Age: 28
Stats: 5'7", 225 lbs
Posts: 13,124
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 1988
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncivilization
Aint the poster of this a female? So wouldn't you change from 2x 250mg?
I'm just asking
|
she's not asking for herself, if she was we'd be screaming at her to not do any testosterone...
__________________
Disclaimers, just like waivers, will not hold up the scrutiny of a court of law.
I will not do a source check for you. I do not know any sources nor would I provide you with a reference if I did.
|
|
|
04-14-2009, 06:53 PM
|
#28
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2007
Age: 26
Stats: 6'4", 274 lbs
Posts: 821
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 1121
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ratmonkey
she's not asking for herself, if she was we'd be screaming at her to not do any testosterone...
|
unlesss she wants a big cock
__________________
once a man, becoming the machine
Anabolic-Authority.com
|
|
|
04-14-2009, 07:03 PM
|
#29
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2006
Age: 34
Posts: 3,068
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaBurg3r
Mainly I would go with 2x a week just for reduced injection volume.
|
Is the difference in pain, etc really that noticable between the two because of volume, etc..I have no clue jsut starting to read up on it.
|
|
|
04-14-2009, 07:34 PM
|
#30
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2007
Age: 26
Stats: 6'4", 274 lbs
Posts: 821
BodyBlog Entries: 0
BodyPoints: 1121
|
when your first starting out and your muscles arent used to the foreign substance, yes it makes a difference, a few weeks into in you wont even feel the injects, but at the start you will be a lil sore for sure, so less volume = less pain
__________________
once a man, becoming the machine
Anabolic-Authority.com
|
|
|
| Thread Tools |
|
|
| Display Modes |
Rate This Thread |
Linear Mode
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Member Login
Sign in for more FREE features and tools!
|
|