Best Overall Pre-Workout Energy/Pump Supplement?

[apacheco]

any sites where i can get a free sample of White Flood?

[tylerparson]

Originally Posted by enswalters

bb.com, of course. Best price around, between the combo pack and the 10% off coupon you can't beat the price.

thanks!! i hope its good... that will be my next supp. most likely.

[tylerparson]

Originally Posted by apacheco

any sites where i can get a free sample of White Flood?

bump on this one!! i wanna try this stuff before i order it!!

[PAGrunt]

I wouldn't reccomend naNo Vapor, like pretty much all MuscleTech products it doesn't go very far since you're taking 3 scoops and after awhile the feeling you had when you first took it just isn't there. It also tastes awful. I only had the fruit punch but man I would gag that stuff down sometimes. I was never much of a fan of MuscleTech but that's all they had at the PX and I figured I'd give it a try.

Alot of the guys I know are big fans of NO Xplode, I tried it once and it actually did taste pretty good and gave a pretty good pump.

I just bought Muscle Pharm Assault and waiting for it to arrive.

[doofusdave]

Originally Posted by tylerparson

bump on this one!! i wanna try this stuff before i order it!!

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/flood.html

[tylerparson]

Originally Posted by doofusdave

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/flood.html

you're the man.
thanks!
also, any tips on whether to pair it with PW or GM? im not too sure which one (or both) to pair it with?
PM me please, so as not to clutter this thread. i'll edit this part out when i get the info for the same reason.

[pmpnballer0311]

Originally Posted by tylerparson

you're the man.
thanks!
also, any tips on whether to pair it with PW or GM? im not too sure which one (or both) to pair it with?
PM me please, so as not to clutter this thread. i'll edit this part out when i get the info for the same reason.

I had the same question....I was told to mix 2 scoops of White Flood with 1 Scoop of GreenMag and your set with the best pre workout out there....I ordered my free samples a few days ago so ill let you know what its like...I am just like you I cant wait hahaha

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Originally Posted by tylerparson

This may be a stupid question... but where do you get the White Flood?
that seems to be the main choice here...
YOU SHOULD START A POLL WITH THE TOP 5 CHOICES

but i like Juggernaut by Infinite Labs. I pair it with REDLINE energy drink...works great.

bodybuilding.com of course

Originally Posted by jabuckle

Powder. I actually heard about it when I asked what the best N.O. product was in a thread I started on these forums. It got the most responses, so I gave it a try.

cool, try the free tablet sample from bb.com when you get the chance.

Originally Posted by CompetitiveGain

ok so i bought my 3rd tub of sp250 2 weeks ago andd..... im out! wtf!


its 50 bucks a tub where i get it ( i know i can probably find it for cheaper but with more hastle) and after taking it for 2 weeks its gone??

yeah.... it only hits me good with 2-3 scoops ( i usually take 2 1/2) and its getting too pricey for me.

Im going back to WF . 35 bucks a tub with one scoop... and that scoop hits me harder than sp250 if i remember correctly... lets hope i get the same pumps.

cool, just make sure to cycle off stims for 10 days before you start back up on white flood

[tylerparson]

Originally Posted by pmpnballer0311

I had the same question....I was told to mix 2 scoops of White Flood with 1 Scoop of GreenMag and your set with the best pre workout out there....I ordered my free samples a few days ago so ill let you know what its like...I am just like you I cant wait hahaha

sounds like a winner to me.
keep me posted!! im going to order mine tomorrow!

[Deviant Dingo]

I reckon WF looks the best as a preworkout supp, theyve listed the ingredients. Its pretty straight forward aswell, energiser, AAKG and beta alanine... Might buy this I reckon and add some citrulline malate myself....

I had a look at jacked, not enough amount of **** in it, and too much caffiene if you wanted to double the dose or wateva.

SP250, looks ok, you hear good **** about it but i dont really want aminos in my preworkout, they also dont have beta allanine or citrulline malate. Same with NOshotgun, its got the aminos in there yet again... Dont want that ****, if i wanna use aminos ill buy in bulk and superdose them.

The Muscletech products have that proprietary bull****, after watching stronger bigger faster I wouldnt touch that proprietary bull**** with 10ft pole.

The profile of NOxplode looks really good, actually everything id want, energy, AAKG, CM, beta alanine, antioxidants, bodysalts, creatine. Too bad its a bull**** proprietary blend, the ONLY reason to do that **** is to rip us off.

(currently using now, good results) Black powder by MRI, has creatine mix, AAKG mix, salts, beta alanine, energy and a small amount of whey peptide. Its buy2 get 1 free at the moment too, makes it a pretty attractive buy!

Then also animal pump is buy2 get 1 free. Their profile looks OK, not really as good as others. Also the tablets wouldnt be as good for absorption as the everescent powders, which is kinda important really.

Can anyone add to this, or make observations I may have missed?

Love to be able to go through and break it all down by price aswell per ingredients etc itd be too hard though, im also not sure whether even them listing ingredient amounts in secondary proprietary breakdowns allows them to add fillers and **** anyway.

[justjosh]

Originally Posted by G-BOY

hi guys this is my first post on bb.com.
I am really glad to join it,and hoping to improve and be a huge body builder...

As of today i hav not tried any pre-workout suppliment.
i Always take my Optimum Serious Mass 1 Scoop before Workout and my workouts are gr8.
But i want even more intense Workouts...so i am goin to give a try for

ANIMAL PUMP.......

So far hav heard xcellent reviews abt this product...eagerly w8ing for my xams go get over and order some ANimal PUmp......

My vote Definately ANimal Pump...!!

how are you voting for a pre workout when you've never used any of them?

[doublexl85]

White Flood Ftw!

[G-BOY]

Originally Posted by naturalguy

You will love Animal Pump.

Right now bb.com is offering a sick deal buy 2 get 1 FREE:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/pump.html

but it's only for a limited time

ty for the news dude.....will stick to animal pump.......and will buy it soon.

But i hav 1 Question....to all....plz help me...--->
My Dad also does body building...hes been doin it for past 6 months...
My dads age is 45.

He used to do indian wrestling i.e."Kusti" whn he was young till arnd 28.
He has loads of strength...but due to discontinuity his wts in the gym dropped....

Now along with me i am goin to intorduce animal pump to my DAD.
But i am afraid to do so as i hav heard sumwhr that above age 45 any NO product is not recommended as it disturbs the blood flow in the body and causes high/low blood pressure...how true is dis...?

Current Suppliment my dad is taking is MuscleTechs NitroTech Hardcore.
He has had gud workout and body results with it.

SO shud my dad also try Animal Pump with me....?

Please help me.....TY.

[XnewcastleX]

Originally Posted by Deviant Dingo

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SP250, looks ok, you hear good **** about it but i dont really want aminos in my preworkout, they also dont have beta allanine or citrulline malate. Same with NOshotgun, its got the aminos in there yet again... Dont want that ****, if i wanna use aminos ill buy in bulk and superdose them.

The Muscletech products have that proprietary bull****, after watching stronger bigger faster I wouldnt touch that proprietary bull**** with 10ft pole.

The profile of NOxplode looks really good, actually everything id want, energy, AAKG, CM, beta alanine, antioxidants, bodysalts, creatine. Too bad its a bull**** proprietary blend, the ONLY reason to do that **** is to rip us off.

First off, aminos are absolutely essential both pre- and post- workout. it doesn't hurt to have it in there, it will only help you. if you're writing off a pre-workout supplement just because it contains aminos, there's something very wrong there.

Also, as much as I agree with you about the whole "proprietary blend" fiasco, you do have to understand that when a company gets to a certain size, it just makes a whole lot more sense for them, cost-wise, to manufacture certain products using a proprietary blend... in SOME things. yes it's realistically not the best way of doing things from a customer's point of view, but if you're a manufacturer these are certain decisions that they have to make in order to streamline production and bring down costs to customers.

the best way of shopping for supplements is to go with a REPUTABLE COMPANY. for example - if you buy from BSN, as much as you might like NO-XPLODE, I'm sure you know about the lawsuits by now. I believe their label claims about as much as I believe the solicitor at my door trying to sell me life insurance. so you can pretty much throw their product, and their proprietary blend, out the window. there are definitely companies out there that do use proprietary blends in some of their products, that are also reputable and trustworthy.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Originally Posted by Deviant Dingo

I reckon WF looks the best as a preworkout supp, theyve listed the ingredients. Its pretty straight forward aswell, energiser, AAKG and beta alanine... Might buy this I reckon and add some citrulline malate myself....

I had a look at jacked, not enough amount of **** in it, and too much caffiene if you wanted to double the dose or wateva.

SP250, looks ok, you hear good **** about it but i dont really want aminos in my preworkout, they also dont have beta allanine or citrulline malate. Same with NOshotgun, its got the aminos in there yet again... Dont want that ****, if i wanna use aminos ill buy in bulk and superdose them.

The Muscletech products have that proprietary bull****, after watching stronger bigger faster I wouldnt touch that proprietary bull**** with 10ft pole.

The profile of NOxplode looks really good, actually everything id want, energy, AAKG, CM, beta alanine, antioxidants, bodysalts, creatine. Too bad its a bull**** proprietary blend, the ONLY reason to do that **** is to rip us off.

(currently using now, good results) Black powder by MRI, has creatine mix, AAKG mix, salts, beta alanine, energy and a small amount of whey peptide. Its buy2 get 1 free at the moment too, makes it a pretty attractive buy!

Then also animal pump is buy2 get 1 free. Their profile looks OK, not really as good as others. Also the tablets wouldnt be as good for absorption as the everescent powders, which is kinda important really.

Can anyone add to this, or make observations I may have missed?

Love to be able to go through and break it all down by price aswell per ingredients etc itd be too hard though, im also not sure whether even them listing ingredient amounts in secondary proprietary breakdowns allows them to add fillers and **** anyway.

you will love it. let us know your feedback once you try white flood

Originally Posted by doublexl85

White Flood Ftw!

[Improves]

Q :

Originally Posted by justjosh

how are you voting for a pre workout when you've never used any of them?

A: He of course relies on the marketing team to get them facts!

As for me

I've been sampling a lot of pre-workout product...I'll some up all of my testing in one big review soon enough but the ones that I really liked are up to now (I am probably forgetting one):

White Flood (possibly getting some nasty sides of it as I was persuaded weights in the gym were significantly smaller than usual)
Juggernault
Fubar

[dabrooks31]

NO shotgun V3 is the best in my opinion. Only prework out with 20 grams of protein added, plenty of aminos, creatine, and gives excellent pump and energy for a full work out.

[JAKEOZ187]

Mix Superpump 250 with 8oz of 100% natural grape juice 20-15 min before workout. Hits me pretty fast.

[Golfermoney]

for me its been hard to find a pre-workout supplement that gives me a great pump without bothering my stomach. As of now I've tried superpump 250, no-xplode, and supercharge. I think the no-xplode gave me the best pump, but made me feel really full and bloated (try working out abs like that), the superpump is what I'm on right now, and its just tearing my stomach up. Supercharge didn't bother my stomach and was the best tasting of the three, but I didn't feel a pump as well after the first couple times I took it.

So i guess I'll just keep searching for the right one- I'm gonna try shotgun or white flood next i guess

[sports000]

So, I am back and replying once again about White Flood. I have used numerous NO's products, and I must say, White Flood after 1 1/2 wks use, is STILL kicking for me. NO explode after a very short time i got used to it, and my body stopped reacting, and NANO Vapor, after ONE night, i didn't feel anything. White Flood i have taken 2 scoops 15 mins before workout every time (i work out 6 days a weeek) and it has been 1 1/2 wks and it is STILL going strong. I am very impressed, and nonetheless, the beta-alanine is still flowing. Tingling yes, not as much as first couple of days. But the main thing that i love about WF is the focus/energy/stamina levels of my workouts. It has given me 150% of each of those categories from start to finish. No other product has given me that kind of results. I thank you Controlled Labs for supplying us this product, keep up the good work.

[Deviant Dingo]

Originally Posted by XnewcastleX

First off, aminos are absolutely essential both pre- and post- workout. it doesn't hurt to have it in there, it will only help you. if you're writing off a pre-workout supplement just because it contains aminos, there's something very wrong there.

Im writing it off because I personally dont believe they are "absolutely essential" If they were "absolutely essential" as you put it, then anyone not using them would be getting no results. The anabolic window training period **** is a load of crap, aminos super dosed over the course of a day have shown results. Please educate me where it has been shown that aminos are "absolutely essential" pre/during workout, im pretty sure the meal I eat before I train does the job just fine....

Also, as much as I agree with you about the whole "proprietary blend" fiasco, you do have to understand that when a company gets to a certain size, it just makes a whole lot more sense for them, cost-wise, to manufacture certain products using a proprietary blend... in SOME things. yes it's realistically not the best way of doing things from a customer's point of view, but if you're a manufacturer these are certain decisions that they have to make in order to streamline production and bring down costs to customers.

How so? How does not informing us on the exact quantities of what we're paying for help keep the costs down? The reason you do it is so you can put less of the expensive material in there and bolster the proprietary blend with less expensive ingredient. Again, educate me to believe your claim? That bull**** wouldnt fly in Australia, the FDA needs to pull its neck out and get with it. Companies in Australia are forced to list products in order of ingredient percentage.

the best way of shopping for supplements is to go with a REPUTABLE COMPANY. for example - if you buy from BSN, as much as you might like NO-XPLODE, I'm sure you know about the lawsuits by now. I believe their label claims about as much as I believe the solicitor at my door trying to sell me life insurance. so you can pretty much throw their product, and their proprietary blend, out the window. there are definitely companies out there that do use proprietary blends in some of their products, that are also reputable and trustworthy.

Bull****. Why would any one company be more reputable than another? They all have the same process, sell product make money. Supplements arent a charity, no ones selling that **** for the love of the sport.

Its stupid in heinsight to be so picky about such small **** as supplements, but when you're spending hundreds on them each month its worth taking note of what youre paying for.

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[Icicle]

i see all this hype about white flood but it never kicked in for me

any other suggestions besides WF?

[chuntsman949]

I have been taking NO Shotgun for a while; I hit the gym after work around 630 at night.... No Shotgun has never caused any sleeping problems for me, will white flood?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Originally Posted by sports000

So, I am back and replying once again about White Flood. I have used numerous NO's products, and I must say, White Flood after 1 1/2 wks use, is STILL kicking for me. NO explode after a very short time i got used to it, and my body stopped reacting, and NANO Vapor, after ONE night, i didn't feel anything. White Flood i have taken 2 scoops 15 mins before workout every time (i work out 6 days a weeek) and it has been 1 1/2 wks and it is STILL going strong. I am very impressed, and nonetheless, the beta-alanine is still flowing. Tingling yes, not as much as first couple of days. But the main thing that i love about WF is the focus/energy/stamina levels of my workouts. It has given me 150% of each of those categories from start to finish. No other product has given me that kind of results. I thank you Controlled Labs for supplying us this product, keep up the good work.

thank you for your feedback

Originally Posted by Icicle

i see all this hype about white flood but it never kicked in for me

any other suggestions besides WF?

its not "hype" its feedback from users.

were you using a stim product before you used it? did you stim cycle at all?

Originally Posted by chuntsman949

I have been taking NO Shotgun for a while; I hit the gym after work around 630 at night.... No Shotgun has never caused any sleeping problems for me, will white flood?

if no shotgun didnt, then white flood shouldnt either.

[I_Am_Spartan91]

Hey i was wondering how to get some free samples of the white flood, green mag, etc. etc. i just started working out on a consistant basis and was looking into some new pre workout drinkns ive been useing the NANO vapor and think its great i feel so focused on the workout i have at hand i just ignore everything else it gives me great pump and great energy but once you get to the point of 2-3 scoops you deffinately feel a crash after the workout so if anyone could help me out it would be much appreciated

[Wearwolf51]

Originally Posted by Deviant Dingo

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Free form aminos pre and during are very effective at keeping muscle tissues from catabolising.

The FDA is a drain on all of America. They do what is in the interest of there pocket book.

Proprietary blends hinder copy cats and protect formulas in an industry that is full of similar products.

Some supplement companies are more reputable then others, just as any other type of business. A good way to tell is to see if the company gives out free samples and or cheap sample packs. If they are confident that their product is effective they will usually send you a sample or two to try.

[nalder89]

K so i just spent like 15 minutes typing up this big long response, and when i hit post it gave me like a server timed out or some gay crap like that. just my luck.

in short, tried no xplode, tried superpump, tried black powder, and am now on Armageddon, by Starchem Labs. if you're going to try it, DON'T GET THE GRAY BOTTLE. get the black one, it's the newer revamped product, doesn't taste like **** the rest of my post talked about reading about what the stuff in all these NO products actually do. most of your "focus" comes from caffeine and vitamin B12. for a solid pump, you need about 3.5-5 grams of L Arginine alpha ketoglutarate, and a little under a thousand mg of Beta Alanine, and some other 'stuff' (proprietary blend) of enzymes that help in the synthase process (converting the arginine to nitric oxide). beta alanin's key role isn't vasodilation though, which is what a lot of people think, or they don't even know what it is used for. it's used to put carnosine into your muscles, which increases the PH+ level and decrease the acidity levels. Giving you more time to workout and not feel fatigued. in order to achieve this, you need to be on a laoding phase, 6 G/Day, spread out over 3 times (2 G 3 times a day), for 21-28 days (clinicaly tested). after that, 4 grams/day, keep on it for at LEAST 12 weeks. that's where you'll start noticing big strength gains in the 7-15 rep range, and an increased anaerobic threshold of up to 15% (point where acid builds up too much for your body to get rid of it itself). you DON'T have to cycle Beta Alanine. it's primary function is NOT to promote vasodilation. if you're lookin for strength gains in the 1-7 rep range, take creatine. taken both together? a study showed that men who took them together gained 5kg of muscle in 10 weeks.

one of the main sources of this knowledge is in the following:

http://performancenutritionshow.com/...s/06_0628.html

http://www.betaalanine.info/

http://performancenutritionshow.com/...s/08_0713.html

if you have any questions, or would like to discuss, don't be a *** and start attacking/hating. i'm always up for education/reeducation.

thanks!
oh, and for dirt cheap Beta Alanine, arginine, and any other amino acid, or even caffeine if you want to make your own NO product, go to

www.purebulk.com

[nalder89]

oh and as for reputable companies, i ordered the gray bottle of armageddon, called and told them it tasted like puke, and asked if that's how their products are supposed to taste, and they are sending me a replacement tub, with the new product, within the next 3 days. WAY good customer service. i think it might have been that i bought it from a private seller on amazon, could have been why the texture was so effed up, and it tasted like garbage. either way, they came through. not a bunch of money thirsty dogs.

[MafdetX]

Preworkout supplements seem to have a minimal effect on me for the most part, and I have never really tried any of them too extensively. I've really only sampled them for a few workouts or a sample or two.

So far I have tried:

NO Shotgun v3
NO Explode
White Flood Tablets Sample
Cytonox
Jacked
ON's Vassive NO

None of these worked for me at all. NO Explode gave me the occasional good lift but also the occasional horrible bathroom session. Surprisingly, Cytonox actually worked well for me despite it being a muscletech manufactured product. I plan on picking up a bottle to see how it really is.

I plan on trying these very soon:

SuperPump 250
Black Powder
White Flood Powder

Superpump gets really good reviews all the time and so does White Flood Powder. Granted, the tablets I took did absolutely nothing for me which was strange. But since everybody jocks Controlled Labs so much around here I'm willing to pick up some of the powder and see what's up.

Could my minimal effects be because I have not taken these products for weeks at a time?

[EvilBlaster]

How old I must be to use supplements ?