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Old 03-29-2009, 11:27 AM   #1
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I have seen this every now & then as I surfed through pages of forums on here, & I would like to figure out what, if any, results you gained from the use of this supplement, your personal review (if possible), & any other useful information!
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Old 03-29-2009, 11:31 AM   #2
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A buddy of mine swears by it, and he went through the typical "got huge during high school" transformation..


it has..
Serving Size: 5 Scoops (approx. 635gm.)
Servings Per Container: ~3
In Water - In 1 gal Whole Milk
Calories 2600 - 5000
Protein 184 GM - 292 GM
Carbohydrates 391 GM - 567 GM
Fat 0 GM - 128GM

In perspective
A reasonable 1 scoop serving in water provides
Cals - 520
Protein - 36.8
Carbs - 78.2
Fat - 0

That gives you 15 servings per container.
at 20$ per container that is about $1.35 per serving.

This product recieves Honorable mention on my list of CRAP FREE products.

I have not purchased it and tried it myself as an MRP for two reasons:
1) Cost..I prefer my MPR to be 1$ and under per serving.
2) Nutrient profile. It would take a little work to design a good MRP with the right nutrient mix for me with this...

Protein source is "pharmaceutical grade protein blend consisting of non-fat milk solids and hydrolyzed egg white (albumin)"

Carb source is "complex, medium chain and simple carbohydrates"

It should be noted that there is no listed Fat...which is not really optimal and will leave ~85% of people feeling hungry. Some flax oil might be in order there. BUUUT there are 9 gm of MCT's per 1 scoop. This is a fat and is probably listed under the carbs. Coconut oil for instance. That the body either burns or excretes. Some people have a low tolerance for this...and they have a very strong excretory response to it!

Also contains per 1 scoop:
Yohimbe Bark 300 MG
Sika deer Antler powder 100 MG
Schizandra chinesis 100 MG
Elutherococcus 200 MG
Inosine HXR 100 MG
Colostrum 80 MG
Boron .6 MCG
Chromium Picolinate 40 MCG

Che, do tell us HOW you prepare it and what your portion size is and how you feel 1 hour and 3 hours after...also, how is your energy...?

And about those sudden bathroom breaks an hour after if you have em!

Side notes:
Modern herbalists recognize Schizandra to have the following actions: antibacterial, antidepressant, antifatigue, aphrodisiac improves endurance, mental performance, physical performance, urogenital tonic and uterine stimulant.

Traditionally, antler velvet (Sikadeer Antler powder) has been used to restore, balance and strengthen the body, support joint function, and cultivate an overall feeling of well-being.

Colostrum (from cows) contains the growth factor IGF-1, which may help build muscle, and on this basis colostrum has been proposed as a sports supplement. However, results are conflicting on whether it really works.

Boron does seem to assist in the proper absorption of calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus from foods, and slows the loss of these minerals through urination. Very preliminary evidence suggests that boron supplements may be helpful for osteoarthritis and osteoporosis.

Yohimbe is sometimes promoted as enhancing libido and acting as an aphrodisiac. Yohimbe bark is generally expected to contain at least 0.2% yohimbine.

Inosine is an important chemical found throughout the body. It plays many roles, one of which is helping to make ATP, the body's main form of usable energy. Based primarily on this fact, inosine supplements have been proposed as an energy booster for athletes. However, most of the available evidence suggests that it doesn't work.

Chromium's most important function in the body is to help regulate the amount of glucose (sugar) in the blood. Insulin plays a starring role in this fundamental biological process, by regulating the movement of glucose out of the blood and into cells. Scientists believe that insulin uses chromium as an assistant (technically, a cofactor) to "unlock the door" to the cell membrane, thus allowing glucose to enter the cell.Studies evaluating chromium as a performance enhancer or aid to bodybuilding have yielded almost entirely negative results.

Medium-chain triglycerides (MCTs) are fats with an unusual chemical structure that allows the body to digest them easily. Most fats are broken down in the intestine and reassembled into a special form that can be transported in the blood. But MCTs are absorbed intact and taken to the liver, where they are used directly for energy. In this sense, they are processed very similarly to carbohydrates. For that reason, MCTs have been proposed as an alternative to "carbo-loading" (consumption of a large quantity of carbohydrates prior to intense physical exercise) for providing a concentrated source of easily utilized energy.

Siberian "ginseng" Eleutherococcus senticosus is actually not ginseng at all, but the Russian scientists responsible for promoting it believe that it functions identically. Some experts believe the herb ciwujia is actually Eleutherococcus, while others claim it is a related but different species. A double-blind study of 20 endurance athletes over an 8-week period failed to find evidence of benefit with a standard eleutherococcus formulation. Lack of benefit was also seen in another small double-blind crossover trial. Furthermore, in a small double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of endurance athletes, use of eleutherococcus actually increased physiologic signs of stress during intensive training. Ciwujia has not yet been studied in meaningful double-blind trials. Note that this 200mg is 50% lower than the recommended dose.
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Old 03-29-2009, 11:50 AM   #3
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never tried it, but that's probably the best name a product has ever been given.
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Old 03-29-2009, 12:27 PM   #4
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Hmm interesting overview guys, thanks!
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Old 04-03-2009, 06:54 PM   #5
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Ive been drinking this stuff and like it. I dont drink the 5 servings as it suggests but Ive been drinking one scoop pre workout and I think its giving me loads of energy. I like it.
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Old 04-03-2009, 07:22 PM   #6
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I know that my "review" isn't in depth but this stuff works very good. I drank this over the course of 2 months and was able to bulk up about 10 pounds or so. Get the vanilla and use milk if you're looking to bulk. Tastes almost like a malt protein shake. Not bad at all! Gains are huge if used properly.
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dude, EPAthlete160, u answered every frickin question i had about the deer antler stuff and everything else. i originally thought it was something that would do more harm than good, but now it sounds safe-er.
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Old 04-06-2009, 08:32 PM   #8
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Just got some of this stuff in the mail, I got the ice cream chocolate flavor. Mixed 1.5 scoops (using a Real Gains scoop) in 12 ounces of milk. Has a weird taste but it's not bad and I can definitely taste the "ice cream" flavor. Theres a nasty after-taste once you get to the real bottom of the shake though, the last couple drops taste terrible. Once I run out of Real Gains I might buy a couple more of these and see how they really work.
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