woldnt u still get fat on keto

[christof1]

even though your taking in soo little carbs you eat a load of fat. wouldnt some fat get stored.

[craniumak]

Do you know the concept behind keto...if not I'd recommend going into the keto thread and reading up some.

[christof1]

yea i understand it but what if you go above 30 gramsof carbs a day. will you be likely to store more fat?

[medstud]

even though your taking in soo little carbs you eat a load of fat. wouldnt some fat get stored.

No, because glucose (from carbohydrates) is what causes the release of insulin which forces unused glucose to be stored as triacylglycerols in adipose tissue via fatty acid anabolism.

[craniumak]

It all depends really...Some lucky people can get into and stay in ketosis with up to 50 or 60 even, if they wanted too. Also if you keep em low you can get into ketosis quicker...I eat around 20 a day and I feel pretty good. However, if you can't get into ketosis and eating high high amounts of fat and not a little amount of carbs, your body is gonna use the carbs first for energy and could store alot of your fat intake. So you need to make sure to keep the carbs low. But to answer your question yes. Just making sure you knew the idea behind it. Thinking about trying it?

[craniumak]

Meant no, sorry

[Wowzer]

Originally Posted by christof1

even though your taking in soo little carbs you eat a load of fat. wouldnt some fat get stored.

You would get fat on keto if you ate in calorie excess

[christof1]

ok thx guys

[mpipes]

Originally Posted by Wowzer

You would get fat on keto if you ate in calorie excess

Exactly.

Diets work because you're still eating overall less total calories, and that's the ONLY way they work. Whatever percentages of carbs vs fat you go with pretty much doesn't matter in the face of a calorie deficit.

You might feel better or worse with a little more of one or the other but that's highly individual.

[christof1]

okay but say you go over your calorie limit on a keto based diet. are you likely to add more fat on keto than another diet because of all that fat

[medstud]

Originally Posted by christof1

okay but say you go over your calorie limit on a keto based diet. are you likely to add more fat on keto than another diet because of all that fat

Depends where those calories are from. If they are from fats then according to what we were taught in Biochemistry, they cannot be stored in adipose tissue.

[christof1]

really? so if those extra cals are all fats they wont be stored as belly fat or chest fat on your body??? i didnt know that..

[gbone74]

Originally Posted by christof1

really? so if those extra cals are all fats they wont be stored as belly fat or chest fat on your body??? i didnt know that..

Try it and see but I bet you they will

[christof1]

Originally Posted by gbone74

Try it and see but I bet you they will

yea your propably right...im not gonna try it haha

[medstud]

Originally Posted by gbone74

Try it and see but I bet you they will

Without insulin in the bloodstream? This is a breakthrough in Biochemistry.

[christof1]

Originally Posted by medstud

Without insulin in the bloodstream? This is a breakthrough in Biochemistry.

so without insulin in the bloodstream the fat will not be stored as body fat?the lack o insulin is from not eating any carbs right?

[gbone74]

Originally Posted by medstud

Without insulin in the bloodstream? This is a breakthrough in Biochemistry.

so what are you saying on a zero carb diet you can eat what you want and not get fat? even if you eat 8000 cals of protein and fat you will not gain bodyfat.

[medstud]

Originally Posted by gbone74

so what are you saying on a zero carb diet you can eat what you want and not get fat?

Well for one thing, if you even tried this you would die from cardiovascular disease before you knew it. Also, I'm not sure. We did not discuss extremities such as this.

so without insulin in the bloodstream the fat will not be stored as body fat?the lack o insulin is from not eating any carbs right?

Carbs and sugars. Also, when your blood glucose level is low, a hormone called epinephrine/glucagon is released which initializes beta oxidation (which is the breakdown of adipose tissue).

[gbone74]

Originally Posted by medstud

Well for one thing, if you even tried this you would die from cardiovascular disease before you knew it. Also, I'm not sure. We did not discuss extremities such as this.



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The point was you said excess fat calories can not get stored as adipose tissue,without insulin or something then I said zero carb as not to illicit an insulin response then you said thats extreme,so if a zero carb diet is extreme, under what circumstances then do these excess fat calories suddenly vanish.

[medstud]

Originally Posted by gbone74

The point was you said excess fat calories can not get stored as adipose tissue,without insulin or something then I said zero carb as not to illicit an insulin response then you said thats extreme,so if a zero carb diet is extreme, under what circumstances then do these excess fat calories suddenly vanish.

In optimal physiological settings. The body is an extremely complex machine. For example, people say that if you create a caloric deficit you will lose weight. What happens when you consume less than 800 calories a day? Your body will go into starvation mode. I don't know the circumstances of consuming 888g of fat per day besides a fatal level of LDL levels. You are comparing apples to oranges, my friend.

[gbone74]

Originally Posted by medstud

In optimal physiological settings. The body is an extremely complex machine. For example, people say that if you create a caloric deficit you will lose weight. What happens when you consume less than 800 calories a day? Your body will go into starvation mode. I don't know the circumstances of consuming 888g of fat per day besides a fatal level of LDL levels. You are comparing apples to oranges, my friend.

I am not comparing anything to anything who said anything about eating all fat anyway I said protein and fat only as to illustrate your point of no insulin response being the reason why the fat cant be stored(if I got this bit wrong then how do you stop the insulin and if you cant the point is moot either way), you said fat can not get stored as fat I would like to know how and under what circumstances this happens because I believe right or wrong excess calories even if they come from fat will make you fat

[medstud]

Originally Posted by gbone74

I am not comparing anything to anything who said anything about eating all fat anyway I said protein and fat only as to illustrate your point of no insulin response being the reason why the fat cant be stored(if I got this bit wrong then how do you stop the insulin and if you cant the point is moot either way), you said fat can not get stored as fat I would like to know how and under what circumstances this happens because I believe right or wrong excess calories even if they come from fat will make you fat

Fats can be stored as fat, but the pathway that is required is long and the amount of energy required is pretty high. Also dietary fats can be emulsified so much at a time. I don't know if you can actually completely stop insulin from releasing, but the best you can do for losing weight is to lower it and maintain your blood glucose level.

I said you were comparing apples to oranges because when the OP said going over in his calories, I assumed it was by only 500-1000, not 6000+

[belairdfence99]

Originally Posted by christof1

even though your taking in soo little carbs you eat a load of fat. wouldnt some fat get stored.

Your body is like a hole that constantly needs to be filled, if you dont fill it enough with food-You will lose weight.
If you put too much in the hole, you will gain weight.
You also should research ketosis

[BiGGz28]

fat is your friend (some kinds)
carbs are the devil (unless they're complex)

this site is an incredible resource as far as keto dieting consdiering how many people have found success with it , you should research it

[trance__dreamer]

hmm...there have been a few posts about how high fat diets lead to heart disease. i'm pretty sure it's the opposite: that high fat diets decrease the risk of heart disease & that high carb diets do. (...this is, of course, w/out exercising. if you're exercising/not smoking/are stress-free/etc, you probably won't get heart disease no matter what your diet is.)

but yea. you'd think it'd be the opposite; eh? but then again, the media/etc in the 80's tricked everyone into doing low fat diets 'cause they thought fats were evil & would get stored as fats easier/quicker than carbs. but new research (90's to present day) has found out that it's the opposite. & now everyone is low-carb crazy. as someone else has said, fats don't get stored as fat any easier than anything else. i think it's "calories in vs. calories out" to a certain degree. but from my experiences, i feel my emotional/psychological/mental & physical best on a lower carb/higher fat diet. (if i remember correctly, when my dad was still alive, he did doo. but everyone else in my family is the opposite. i live w/ my grandma, & needless to say, we should really be having 2different fridges. xD) & my progress is A LOT more steady/consistent. w/ higher carbs, it's more difficult for me to lose fat.

^^ this is just my understanding of what i've read before signing up on here late last year & during my time on here so far. no negs, please.

[fiveten]

Originally Posted by medstud

No, because glucose (from carbohydrates) is what causes the release of insulin which forces unused glucose to be stored as triacylglycerols in adipose tissue via fatty acid anabolism.

Originally Posted by medstud

Without insulin in the bloodstream? This is a breakthrough in Biochemistry.

strong broscience
dietary fat -> glycerol + free fatty acids in mister duodenum then into the lymphatic system, then into the bloodstream with those free fatty acids, which go.. where?
oh snap, adipose tissue.
lolwut?

Originally Posted by medstud

Well for one thing, if you even tried this you would die from cardiovascular disease before you knew it. Also, I'm not sure. We did not discuss extremities such as this.

Carbs and sugars. Also, when your blood glucose level is low, a hormone called epinephrine/glucagon is released which initializes beta oxidation (which is the breakdown of adipose tissue).

so wait, first your saying fats won't be stored... but now you're saying they'll be deposited in the vascular system? shiz man maybe im a dumb iron monkey but it seems you're contradicting yourself

glucagon initializes beta oxidation? ferreal? heres me thinking it initializes glycolysis but heck broscience fails again

Originally Posted by medstud

What happens when you consume less than 800 calories a day? Your body will go into starvation mode. I don't know the circumstances of consuming 888g of fat per day besides a fatal level of LDL levels. You are comparing apples to oranges, my friend.

what happens if you're below 800 calories a day?
your BMR reduces and your body catabolises necessary tissue to meet nutritional needs
888g of fat a day - fatal LDL levels - yes sir, because dietary fat = blood fat levels doesn't it? :@

it's clear you've gathered a lot of knowledge, and you're stringing together bits as you go along, so please don't go on the interwebs and lecture people about things you don't actually know about

take your broscience, gtfo, and study some moar