The Trials of the Anabolic Diet

[Safeboy43]

Originally Posted by mapleleafmenace

Remember that it's possible to overdo your saturated fats on this. 2L of heavy cream during the day is really a lot of saturated fats. Initially on the diet I was getting most of my fats from butter, cream, and red meat but when I switched over to 60% EVOO things felt loads better and I actually started enjoying things like butter shavings and sips from the heavy cream carton a lot more. Try it for a week and see how you feel

You can overdo the saturated fats quite easily, but unless you're bulking you can't really underdo (even though yes, they are important) them since all meat has at least some saturated fat. Try a protein shake with a few tbsp of olive oil tossed in and shaken up real well - you can't taste it and it adds a really nice texture to the shake.

Oh the heavy cream thing was just a one time thing when I was out of food one day. I get about 20-25% of my cals (4000) from Sat. fat. Is that too much for the AD?

[FightingMachine]

Could some give a brief explanation of what an 'anabolic diet' involves exactly?

Thanks

[Khe247]

Originally Posted by dantheman04

hey, im starting the anabolic diet and first 2 days were good but all of a sudden i have a really ****ty self image, would this be part of the first week effects??

Dan you're not be yourself, even though I knew I lost a little BF. At times in the mirror, it seemed I was fatter than when I started. I know that seems funny.

[Khe247]

Did everyone Carb deplete themselve the first 12 days like the book said, or did you go 5 days before carbing up?

Today is my 6th day and I'm debating if I will make it to 12, or enjoy food.

[correll28]

i have a question about my starting point if anyone will help--

i started today and my diet so far was--

breakfast-1 scoop whey
3 eggs
(had to rush this morning)

after class-(11) can of white albacore without mayo
4 slices porkroll with cheddar cheese sprinkled on top
half a brick of scrapple (with no flour) just ate it fried and mushy lol..
all pan fried in olive oil

its almost 12 now and im figuring at about 1 i will have a few strips of bacon or something? maybe a scoop of whey?

i will drink another two scoops of whey at 230 before my next and last class

at 5 after class i will lift, drink two scoops of whey immediately after

then maybe some chicken or steak or whatever is for dinner

does that sound ok to anyone or am i doing something wrong?..i dont have that much groceries since its the end of the week so im going grocerie shopping tomorrow, but im forced to just finish all the breakfast meat

[bigdan]

Alright so I'm about a month into this thing. This morning I checked my weight first thing this morning - empty stomach, etc.

I weighed in at a svelte 217... up 7 lbs from my starting weight of 210 over a period of 4 weeks. Weight isn't everything and seeing how I haven't taken a really big **** for the past couple days I may have a lb or 2 of impacted albacore in my colon or something... but looking at the mirror I've noticed my face is slightly more bloated... I think my gut looks more or less like it did when I started... mb slightly fatter. This is all fine though because my initial idea was to just go by feel first and then evaluate. I think it's great that I can gain mass w/ this diet as my calories are reasonable and it's not that hard.


That said, I'd like to do an honest "cut" with this diet at some point and when I do I'd like to not have to lose 50lbs so... So I'm making a couple adjustments...

1. Try a 1 day carb up (vs 2). I dunno my carb ups in general are pretty lame I end up eating a bunch of crap... might as well limit that to 1 day and see what happens

2. Bump my 1000 calorie super shakes down to 800 calories... 6oz of cream instead of 8oz should save me about 400 calories a day or 2400 a week which might be enough to keep the gains reasonable

3. Try to do a better job of doing my cardio sessions... I try to run a couple times a week but sadly this is turning into more of a weekly phenomena due to my work schedule and gym's schedule as well... I try to do some active stuff on the weekends.



So yeah these are all pretty minor tweaks but ultimately I'm hoping they will work so I can gain LEAN mass or perhaps even burn a little chub whilst getting stronger like the literature suggests.

Anyhow I hope everyone else is doing well... perhaps this post might give some people some ideas for their own diets

[PaC-mAn8]

Originally Posted by Khe247

Did everyone Carb deplete themselve the first 12 days like the book said, or did you go 5 days before carbing up?

Today is my 6th day and I'm debating if I will make it to 12, or enjoy food.

Wait the 12 days.

[bigdan]

Originally Posted by correll28

i have a question about my starting point if anyone will help--

i started today and my diet so far was--

breakfast-1 scoop whey
3 eggs
(had to rush this morning)

after class-(11) can of white albacore without mayo
4 slices porkroll with cheddar cheese sprinkled on top
half a brick of scrapple (with no flour) just ate it fried and mushy lol..
all pan fried in olive oil

its almost 12 now and im figuring at about 1 i will have a few strips of bacon or something? maybe a scoop of whey?

i will drink another two scoops of whey at 230 before my next and last class

at 5 after class i will lift, drink two scoops of whey immediately after

then maybe some chicken or steak or whatever is for dinner

does that sound ok to anyone or am i doing something wrong?..i dont have that much groceries since its the end of the week so im going grocerie shopping tomorrow, but im forced to just finish all the breakfast meat

I dunno man it doesn't strike me as ideal but if you are trying to get everything in order then it's ok. What is your weight? You want to consume at least 18x your bodyweight in calories.

That said I'm not entirely sure what "porkroll" (breakfast pork that comes in those sausage shaped packages?) and scrapple is (apples that you fry???). In the future you are gonna want to cut down on the whey and bring up the egg, chicken, and meat portions. I myself do 2 shakes a day and I think that is pushing it... edit - also when you do drink whey add some olive oil or fat source with it - you need fat and protein together.

Also you are gonna want to double check the carb contents of the stuff you eat, you really want to avoid too many carbs during the week with this high fat diet... I was pissed to see stuff like sausage had carbs in it cus the freaking food companies were putting corn syrup and **** like that in them. When every carb counts that extra gram or so per link adds up.

[correll28]

Originally Posted by bigdan

I dunno man it doesn't strike me as ideal but if you are trying to get everything in order then it's ok. What is your weight? You want to consume at least 18x your bodyweight in calories.

That said I'm not entirely sure what "porkroll" (breakfast pork that comes in those sausage shaped packages?) and scrapple is (apples that you fry???). In the future you are gonna want to cut down on the whey and bring up the egg, chicken, and meat portions. I myself do 2 shakes a day and I think that is pushing it... edit - also when you do drink whey add some olive oil or fat source with it - you need fat and protein together.

Also you are gonna want to double check the carb contents of the stuff you eat, you really want to avoid too many carbs during the week with this high fat diet... I was pissed to see stuff like sausage had carbs in it cus the freaking food companies were putting corn syrup and **** like that in them. When every carb counts that extra gram or so per link adds up.

those were my exact thoughts. im going grocery shopping tomorrow and am thinking ill just pick up lots of eggs, ground beef, steak, and chicken. by porkroll i do mean the sausage shaped breakfast pork, it gets pretty greasy so i guess that is the fat. and when i looked up scrapple, i found its actually left over pork (heart, liver) so thats pretty gross, and it has flour in it sometimes. so il def cut that out. and do you just pout olive oil into your shake?

thanks alot

[PaC-mAn8]

The biggest focus on the menu of anyone doing the Anabolic should be this...

1. Meat (Beef, pork, chicken)
2. Eggs (eat 10-12 a day)
3. Whey (upto 3/4 sc. a day)
4. Oils (olive, canola, macademia)

[correll28]

thanks alot guys. im going to go to the store and just get eggs, ground beef, some cheap steaks, some pork and lots of chicken.

and forgot to answer your question, right now im about 215

[bigdan]

Originally Posted by correll28

those were my exact thoughts. im going grocery shopping tomorrow and am thinking ill just pick up lots of eggs, ground beef, steak, and chicken. by porkroll i do mean the sausage shaped breakfast pork, it gets pretty greasy so i guess that is the fat. and when i looked up scrapple, i found its actually left over pork (heart, liver) so thats pretty gross, and it has flour in it sometimes. so il def cut that out. and do you just pout olive oil into your shake?

thanks alot

Hey man I think you have the right idea. I bring in a couple tupperwares to work and chow down at 11 and 3... I make em up beforehand so it's pretty painless. I've cooked up 18 eggs, half a pound of sausauge, and a few slices of american cheese. With all the sausage and **** I get 3 meals out of it. For convenience, cans of tuna and sardines can be made into decent fare between classes... but bring some gum cus it stinks like hell.

As for the olive oil, yeah some guys do pour it into their shakes... mapleleafmenace mentioned that he likes that a couple posts ago. Myself, I use heavy whipping cream instead... I might have to try the olive oil as it's a healthier option. Once you slam down 1000 calories in 10 seconds tho... I dunno, its tough to beat.

[correll28]

Originally Posted by bigdan

Hey man I think you have the right idea. I bring in a couple tupperwares to work and chow down at 11 and 3... I make em up beforehand so it's pretty painless. I've cooked up 18 eggs, half a pound of sausauge, and a few slices of american cheese. With all the sausage and **** I get 3 meals out of it. For convenience, cans of tuna and sardines can be made into decent fare between classes... but bring some gum cus it stinks like hell.

As for the olive oil, yeah some guys do pour it into their shakes... mapleleafmenace mentioned that he likes that a couple posts ago. Myself, I use heavy whipping cream instead... I might have to try the olive oil as it's a healthier option. Once you slam down 1000 calories in 10 seconds tho... I dunno, its tough to beat.

thansk man..helpin big time. im going grocery shopping so im bumping for it and ill post everything i bought when i get back. i have limited supply of things ic an eat as of now, its mainly just eggs bacon and tuna so i need to resupply

[mapleleafmenace]

Originally Posted by Safeboy43

Oh the heavy cream thing was just a one time thing when I was out of food one day. I get about 20-25% of my cals (4000) from Sat. fat. Is that too much for the AD?

lol Oh good, yeah once in a while a saturated pig-out is probably perfectly fine not to mention awesomely enjoyable

That seems a little high for me personally, but I've made several adjustments to the AD based on what helps me to function better for what I need/happen to be doing at the time (for instance, when I was doing the BUD/S prep thing my diet was pretty different just in macro content as compared to when I was bulking with iron). I'm not too good with math so I'll let you work it out but I had my best results hovering around 60/30/10 mono/sat/poly. But again, find out what works best for you. You know the diet and you know your body - just tune in, pay attention and tinker a bit.

Like I said in an earlier post - you'll know pretty quick whether you're getting negative or positive results, so you're not likely to do any damage that can't be undone within a week or two.

Originally Posted by bigdan

That said, I'd like to do an honest "cut" with this diet at some point and when I do I'd like to not have to lose 50lbs so... So I'm making a couple adjustments...

1. Try a 1 day carb up (vs 2). I dunno my carb ups in general are pretty lame I end up eating a bunch of crap... might as well limit that to 1 day and see what happens

2. Bump my 1000 calorie super shakes down to 800 calories... 6oz of cream instead of 8oz should save me about 400 calories a day or 2400 a week which might be enough to keep the gains reasonable

3. Try to do a better job of doing my cardio sessions... I try to run a couple times a week but sadly this is turning into more of a weekly phenomena due to my work schedule and gym's schedule as well... I try to do some active stuff on the weekends.



So yeah these are all pretty minor tweaks but ultimately I'm hoping they will work so I can gain LEAN mass or perhaps even burn a little chub whilst getting stronger like the literature suggests.

Anyhow I hope everyone else is doing well... perhaps this post might give some people some ideas for their own diets

Dude, if you want to drop fat while maintaining muscle on this diet I've got one made-up word for you:

...Sprintervals.

Run a mile twice a week, but alternate between 200 yds of balls-out sprinting and 200 yds of the fastest jog you can manage while still being able to tear it up on your next sprint (your fastest jog might end up just being a trot initially if you routinely slack off on your cardio like me). The key is intensity. You might want to do this instead of leg day, or shorten your leg day by a few min to fit it in.

Not only will your one-mile time drastically improve inside a few weeks but you'll likely see a pretty quick change in how lean you are without dropping muscle.

Try doing that for a few weeks before tinkering with your cals - I also guarantee you'll be extremely hungry if you drop cals and add this at the same time. Hungry isn't what we want - a rise in metabolism is the goal, right? So fuel the fire and turn up the heat.

[bigdan]

Originally Posted by mapleleafmenace

lol Oh good, yeah once in a while a saturated pig-out is probably perfectly fine not to mention awesomely enjoyable

That seems a little high for me personally, but I've made several adjustments to the AD based on what helps me to function better for what I need/happen to be doing at the time (for instance, when I was doing the BUD/S prep thing my diet was pretty different just in macro content as compared to when I was bulking with iron). I'm not too good with math so I'll let you work it out but I had my best results hovering around 60/30/10 mono/sat/poly. But again, find out what works best for you. You know the diet and you know your body - just tune in, pay attention and tinker a bit.

Like I said in an earlier post - you'll know pretty quick whether you're getting negative or positive results, so you're not likely to do any damage that can't be undone within a week or two.



Dude, if you want to drop fat while maintaining muscle on this diet I've got one made-up word for you:

...Sprintervals.

Run a mile twice a week, but alternate between 200 yds of balls-out sprinting and 200 yds of the fastest jog you can manage while still being able to tear it up on your next sprint (your fastest jog might end up just being a trot initially if you routinely slack off on your cardio like me). The key is intensity. You might want to do this instead of leg day, or shorten your leg day by a few min to fit it in.

Not only will your one-mile time drastically improve inside a few weeks but you'll likely see a pretty quick change in how lean you are without dropping muscle.

Try doing that for a few weeks before tinkering with your cals - I also guarantee you'll be extremely hungry if you drop cals and add this at the same time. Hungry isn't what we want - a rise in metabolism is the goal, right? So fuel the fire and turn up the heat.

Hey man, that sounds intense! There is a place by my house where I can try that.

My 1 day carb up actually seemed to work pretty well... I managed to cram down a lot more carbs in this way and I didn't eat so much garbage. Should be interesting to see what happens this week... I wonder if my ass will respond well to 6 days of low carbs vs 5. I'm gonna try the sprints after my workout tomorrow.

[correll28]

this is my 4th day on AD. the first few days were rough and i even thought it was making me worse. but now on day 4 i feel great. its not even that hard to eat this way at all, i feel alot healthier and i feel alot slimmer but people are telling me how good i look. i def like it so far

[diskin8]

Anybody else getting a refused connection when trying to look at the links?

EDIT: Nevermind got it.

[mapleleafmenace]

Originally Posted by bigdan

Hey man, that sounds intense! There is a place by my house where I can try that.

My 1 day carb up actually seemed to work pretty well... I managed to cram down a lot more carbs in this way and I didn't eat so much garbage. Should be interesting to see what happens this week... I wonder if my ass will respond well to 6 days of low carbs vs 5. I'm gonna try the sprints after my workout tomorrow.

You might actually find (as I did) that after a few months of one-day carb ups you can up the ante to two. This is partly the reason you'll hear me suggest that people stick to the books for at least one month and preferably two - part of adapting to the diet is the body realizing that this is now the norm instead of just temporarily optimizing itself for the new circumstances.

And yes, sprintervals are super-intense. I try not to do them after any kind of upper-body workout (including a particularly intense ab session - running uses abs a lot more than you'd think) for two reasons:

1) I like to keep the muscles I've just worked pumped as long as possible rather than immediately diverting all the blood to the lower extremities. Don't know if there's any actual science to back this up but I feel it helps 'em grow a bit better doing it that way. Plus I love the pump, albeit not quite as much as Arnold (props if anyone gets the reference).

2) To really tear it up with sprintervals you NEED a good, open arm swing. Very hard to do if you've just blasted the **** out of your back, shoulders, or chest. 20 or 30 quick pushups to get the swingin' muscles warmed up beforehand might help though.

However, I'll suggest doing sprintervals immediately after a hardcore upper body workout at least one time so you can see what I mean, or refute it if your body doesn't work that way. Plus, it's fascinating to feel the pump move down from the upper carriage into the legs.

[bigdan]

Originally Posted by mapleleafmenace

You might actually find (as I did) that after a few months of one-day carb ups you can up the ante to two. This is partly the reason you'll hear me suggest that people stick to the books for at least one month and preferably two - part of adapting to the diet is the body realizing that this is now the norm instead of just temporarily optimizing itself for the new circumstances.

And yes, sprintervals are super-intense. I try not to do them after any kind of upper-body workout (including a particularly intense ab session - running uses abs a lot more than you'd think) for two reasons:

1) I like to keep the muscles I've just worked pumped as long as possible rather than immediately diverting all the blood to the lower extremities. Don't know if there's any actual science to back this up but I feel it helps 'em grow a bit better doing it that way. Plus I love the pump, albeit not quite as much as Arnold (props if anyone gets the reference).

2) To really tear it up with sprintervals you NEED a good, open arm swing. Very hard to do if you've just blasted the **** out of your back, shoulders, or chest. 20 or 30 quick pushups to get the swingin' muscles warmed up beforehand might help though.

However, I'll suggest doing sprintervals immediately after a hardcore upper body workout at least one time so you can see what I mean, or refute it if your body doesn't work that way. Plus, it's fascinating to feel the pump move down from the upper carriage into the legs.

Hey man what your saying makese sense I think you have some good points here.

I didn't try the sprintervals today although I did get a short and intense treadmill run in after chest and tris... tomorrow would be a good day to try em since I'm not lifting. Today was pretty fcked up actually because I missed my 3pm meal until like 5:30 (I was hurting real bad - stuck in another building w/ out even a tin of greasy sardines... really lame). When I got to the gym I was pretty beat and posted up an ok session and then a run.

Also I did bump down the cals ever so slightly w/ 4oz less heavy cream... I think it's a good adjustment given what I'm trying to accomplish... I will keep my eye on strength and appearance and bump it back up if I feel like its hurting me.

[Runbmc717]

Hi everyone, been perusing this thread a bit and decided to start up on the Anabolic Diet myself. I wanted to burn off some body fat while building muscle so obviously this was the right program.

Here's my diet, and I'll get the Carbs/Fat/Protein at the end.

Breakfast:
4 eggs, cheese, 4 slices of bacon, ham slices, cooked in olive oil

Snack:
2 Large Celery stalks with 2 tbsps of peanut butter

Lunch:
Chicken stir fry with green peppers, celery, green beans, thyme, seasoned pepper, cooked in olive oil

Snack:
2 cups of Romaine Lettuce with Chicken, Olive Oil, Bacon, Ham, Cheese with olive oil

Snack:
6 oz. Can of Tuna

WORKOUT (Protein shake before workout AND after workout, with a tsp or two of olive oil in each)

Dinner: 2 Ground Beef patties, 4 slices of bacon, both cooked in olive oil

In the end:

Protein/Fat/Carbs: 245.6/194.7/about 25 (subtracting out fiber from the carbs)

Monounsaturated/Saturated/Polyunsaturated fat: 50%/35%/15% roughly.

I weigh 180 lbs. so the 3200 calories I get are pretty much the bare minimum for the 18x bodyweight. Does the diet look good enough, should I try to eat more? Yesterday I was starving so I had a couple extra chicken breasts, that tided me over I've been pleased with this so far though, it's fairly easy to maintain and I just have quick meals throughout the day at work or school.

Also are headaches extremely normal? Because I haven't felt one yet and tomorrow will be my fourth day. The only symptom I've really felt is a lack of energy, which I have felt the last two or three days, I've had a really hard time staying awake.

Feedback would be greatly appreciated.

[correll28]

i havent gotten any headaches..you should feel happy you dont have them not worried! haha. that looks good to me tho. it gets very easy to keep at this, its almost become a new way of life of eating for me! how much muscle are you looking to ggain?

[Jargo]

Originally Posted by mapleleafmenace

Plus I love the pump, albeit not quite as much as Arnold (props if anyone gets the reference).

You don't think the pump feels as incredible as having sex with a woman and cumming?

[Runbmc717]

Originally Posted by correll28

i havent gotten any headaches..you should feel happy you dont have them not worried! haha. that looks good to me tho. it gets very easy to keep at this, its almost become a new way of life of eating for me! how much muscle are you looking to ggain?

After I lose the fat, I'd like to gain about 15-20 pounds of muscle, and go from there, not a ton, but I've never really been defined so anything would be nice. I lost a lot of weight really quickly, I went from 260 to 185 in about 7 months. I've only been able to get off 5 pounds over the last couple months, so I figured doing this will help me lose the stubborn fat that won't go away and build muscle so I don't look bony and skinny.

It really hasn't been all that difficult you're right, even after only three days this just feels normal. At work today though, we had the best cake in the store on demo and blueberry muffins (one of my favorite breakfasts) on demo as well. Sucks not being able to eat them, but whatever.

I haven't noticed any major change yet, but it's hard to when I look in the mirror every day. I'm hoping next Friday, on the 12th day, I at least see that I've lost the water weight so I know it's working.

One question I had, in my diet, I have all my carbs before 2:30 in the afternoon (I generally eat 7 am, 9:30 am, noon, 2:30, 4:30 workout shakes and workout done by 7, dinner around 7:30 or 8). Does it lessen the effect of the diet if they're all stacked together so early in the day? I may be overthinking it here, but it would seem like my body would burn more carbs than it should from 9-5, which is when I'm at work. My job is pretty strenuous so I probably burn off a lot more than most people doing this diet outside of workouts, so I may burn off most of the carbs at work in all actuality. Still though, should I space them out more?

[Jete1]

Quick question.. I read the articles and first four pages or so of this thread, but what kind of running/cardio should you do with this? I'm a sprinter, so I'm looking at 3x300 and 5x150 a day. Plus, I usually do a three mile job to cool down. Should I cut the three miles and stick to something like HIIT when track's over? I'm also not starting this diet until track is over, because I'm afraid the turnover from carbs to fat will kill my track season.

[unbuff]

I been on this diet for 12weeks and put on over 2kilos lean (minimal waist movement, less then a carb infected diet for same time period anyway)

Love the carbups too, its something to look forward to, and i dont have to feel bad.

Trying a recomp now. Will see how it goes.

Jete1: I find anything more then walking just wastes muscle for me. I usually walk 1hour+ on off days and find it works well.

[MarkMax888]

Hey guys!,

I coming up to my ***first carb*** up on Saturday!!

Ive read quite a bit about how to structure this... 60% carbs, 30% Fat, 10% Protein etc, and am aware I should only eat 'clean carbs' - rice, pasta, fruits etc, and avoid the junk as much as possible!!

My only frustration is that I havent had the elusive energy rush from the AD yet. So Im concerned that any energy boost I get on Saturday will be a direct result of the carb-up, and trick me into thinking the AD is now really kicking in. I want to prime myself to run high octane on fat..not the rush of CHO!! So wondering whether to delay the carb-up?

Now DiPasq says not to count the calories during the carb up - just gorge like a mofo until you smooth out, or bloat like a wild boar!!... any counter to this notion?

Also, any experienced tips on what to do & def not do on the carb up?

Cheers

~M~

[beardymcbeard]

Does it work to just do it half way? As in not full on high fat weekdays and nearly all carbs weekends?

How are the results if you do it to a less extreme degree (as in basic format but just slightly less extremem percentages)

If anyone's actually done that...

[Rhh410]

Originally Posted by MarkMax888

Hey guys!,

I coming up to my ***first carb*** up on Saturday!!

Ive read quite a bit about how to structure this... 60% carbs, 30% Fat, 10% Protein etc, and am aware I should only eat 'clean carbs' - rice, pasta, fruits etc, and avoid the junk as much as possible!!

My only frustration is that I havent had the elusive energy rush from the AD yet. So Im concerned that any energy boost I get on Saturday will be a direct result of the carb-up, and trick me into thinking the AD is now really kicking in. I want to prime myself to run high octane on fat..not the rush of CHO!! So wondering whether to delay the carb-up?

Now DiPasq says not to count the calories during the carb up - just gorge like a mofo until you smooth out, or bloat like a wild boar!!... any counter to this notion?

Also, any experienced tips on what to do & def not do on the carb up?

Cheers

~M~

Don't skip your carb up bro

I'm surprised how many people enjoy keto... I hated that ****

[MarkMax888]

Originally Posted by Rhh410

Don't skip your carb up bro

I'm surprised how many people enjoy keto... I hated that ****

Hmm...I was under the distinct impression the AD was NOT keto ..you just stay above ketosis as the good Doctor recommends!

Looking forward to getting some carbs... there was some donuts in the kitchen at work today...damn they looked good...haha!!!

[correll28]

Originally Posted by Runbmc717

After I lose the fat, I'd like to gain about 15-20 pounds of muscle, and go from there, not a ton, but I've never really been defined so anything would be nice. I lost a lot of weight really quickly, I went from 260 to 185 in about 7 months. I've only been able to get off 5 pounds over the last couple months, so I figured doing this will help me lose the stubborn fat that won't go away and build muscle so I don't look bony and skinny.

It really hasn't been all that difficult you're right, even after only three days this just feels normal. At work today though, we had the best cake in the store on demo and blueberry muffins (one of my favorite breakfasts) on demo as well. Sucks not being able to eat them, but whatever.

I haven't noticed any major change yet, but it's hard to when I look in the mirror every day. I'm hoping next Friday, on the 12th day, I at least see that I've lost the water weight so I know it's working.

One question I had, in my diet, I have all my carbs before 2:30 in the afternoon (I generally eat 7 am, 9:30 am, noon, 2:30, 4:30 workout shakes and workout done by 7, dinner around 7:30 or 8). Does it lessen the effect of the diet if they're all stacked together so early in the day? I may be overthinking it here, but it would seem like my body would burn more carbs than it should from 9-5, which is when I'm at work. My job is pretty strenuous so I probably burn off a lot more than most people doing this diet outside of workouts, so I may burn off most of the carbs at work in all actuality. Still though, should I space them out more?

congrats on the big weight loss dude! i too am looking to get off this stubborn surgery fat. and although i havent noticed much myself recently, i do feel good and have been getting more compliments than usual.

just keep eating good! eating alot of good calories and alot of bad calories are different things. you should get it off and then gain more whenever you feel its right. eat eat eat, lol.

as for your question i think thats fine. i hear that the dr says people like to save all there carbs for the end of the day, so they can have a social carb food and it is fine. im guessing that eating all of them in the beginning of the day is just as fine. spreading them out could also make you feel more groggy throughout the day

lets keep this thread going!