Warrior Diet Experiment

[dgninja]

Hey man, we have all been down, but once things in your life calm down I am sure everything will be put back into it's proper place and you will push on even better than before.

[longboarder89]

Originally Posted by dgninja

Hey man, we have all been down, but once things in your life calm down I am sure everything will be put back into it's proper place and you will push on even better than before.

Thanks man, I apprechiate it. I'm off to class then to the gym. Even though I had a few cheat days, I feel my body hasn't gained weight or lost any composition.

I refuse to believe that muscle starts to loose it's strength/mass in 48 hours as I've been told numerous times...it's a little ridiculous.

How's the WD going for you, if you dont' mind me asking man?

[fatdaddy67]

Originally Posted by longboarder89

I refuse to believe that muscle starts to loose it's strength/mass in 48 hours as I've been told numerous times...it's a little ridiculous.

That 48 hour thing might be for some, but not for me. I've seen some guys train only once every 10-12 days and get stronger.

[Matt70]

What specific guidelines do you guys follow when using the WD?


Matt

[fatdaddy67]

Originally Posted by Matt70

What specific guidelines do you guys follow when using the WD?


Matt

I eat only fresh (low-calories) frutis and eggies during the underating phase, along with an egg or piece of string cheese.

At night for overeating, I eat salad if it's around, some broccoli, and then a monster meal. I generally eat my meal instinctively, and don't eat protein first like Ori recommends.

[longboarder89]

Originally Posted by Matt70

What specific guidelines do you guys follow when using the WD?


Matt

Boiled Eggs/ Other higher Protien source (Protien shake) for my "undereating phase" which can be 12-19 hours long.

Over eating Phase is a salad first, protien second and then thirdly carbs (I mix carbs and protiens together too, most of the time. I figure it's not a big deal.)

Any other specifications?

Water is recommended, drink a gallon to 1.5 gallons a day to help keep nutrients flowing in your blood stream, and multi-vitamins are very useful as well.

To the gym.

[dgninja]

I generally only have a small salad during the undereating phase. Just some lettuce and whatever veggies I can gather up with a bit of olive oil and red wine vinegar.

Then for my overeating phase. I eat a bigger salad and then go to town on some fats, proteins, and carbs. Then comes dessert!

[fatdaddy67]

Originally Posted by dgninja

I generally only have a small salad during the undereating phase. Just some lettuce and whatever veggies I can gather up with a bit of olive oil and red wine vinegar.

Then for my overeating phase. I eat a bigger salad and then go to town on some fats, proteins, and carbs. Then comes dessert!

Sounds solid too me.

[dgninja]

Hey Fatdaddy, I wanted to ask you a question about your PWO shake. Do you take one and if you do, do you count it against your overall cals?

So far I have, but since the body takes the nutrients from the shake in rather quickly to offset the loss of energy from the workout, I was curious if others count their shakes or not.

[longboarder89]

Originally Posted by dgninja

Hey Fatdaddy, I wanted to ask you a question about your PWO shake. Do you take one and if you do, do you count it against your overall cals?

So far I have, but since the body takes the nutrients from the shake in rather quickly to offset the loss of energy from the workout, I was curious if others count their shakes or not.

I add it in, but it's not a big deal, my PWO shake is only 300 cals, and my over eating meal is 2000 cals, so I have 1700 for dinner, which is a lot, if your eating clean.

If I eat crappy foods, I can hit 6,000 calories easily. It's pretty bad.

[MarkandLu]

Had a little bout with a kidney stone. Doctor said it was due to the Protein to Carb ratio, so I had to kick up the carbs a little. I assumed I was getting enough from my veggies, but obviously not. Either way, it hurt like hell, but hasn't hampered my motivation.

I'm hovering right around 200 lbs right now, and am considering moving back up to 205. I feel very small and weak at this weight. I'm going to wait and see how I feel after getting back 100% from the kidney problem.

The wife is in the low/mid 160's, and still has at least 15 pounds to lose. She would like to reach 130, but her short term goal is 145. She is really enjoying the resistance training.

Well, hope to see some of you back on the board soon. Hope all is well.

[fatdaddy67]

Originally Posted by MarkandLu

Had a little bout with a kidney stone. Doctor said it was due to the Protein to Carb ratio, so I had to kick up the carbs a little. I assumed I was getting enough from my veggies, but obviously not. Either way, it hurt like hell, but hasn't hampered my motivation.

I'm hovering right around 200 lbs right now, and am considering moving back up to 205. I feel very small and weak at this weight. I'm going to wait and see how I feel after getting back 100% from the kidney problem.

The wife is in the low/mid 160's, and still has at least 15 pounds to lose. She would like to reach 130, but her short term goal is 145. She is really enjoying the resistance training.

Well, hope to see some of you back on the board soon. Hope all is well.

Man, those things are not fun. I hope you feel better soon.

I am still alive and well. Been very tired this week...mostly stress related. My employer has had 6 round of layoffs in the past 2 months. Will update soon.

[MarkandLu]

Originally Posted by fatdaddy67

Man, those things are not fun. I hope you feel better soon.

I am still alive and well. Been very tired this week...mostly stress related. My employer has had 6 round of layoffs in the past 2 months. Will update soon.

Thanks for the good wishes FD. Sorry to hear what you're dealing with also, I think I would rather have the Kidney Stones lol

[fatdaddy67]

I have to end the experiment.

Work just put me back on full time...but on second shift. I simply cannot get home and cook a monster meal from midnight to 1 am. I would wake the entire household.

I will be using a modified Warrior Diet, but until I get back on first shift, I have to make diet adjustments.

I hope each of you stay in touch. I might start a new log after I return to first shift.

[mhunter69]

Good luck and let us know when you either come back with the experiment or a new thread. This has been very very helpful!

[Ringo Star]

Could you give us your final thoughts on the diet? In particular, Im curious to know

1) If it is a long term lifestyle change you could make
2) Did the diet meet your expectations
3) What were the short comings.
4) What would you do differently

Thanks for the awesome log! The amount of time you have put into it has been valuable to many I am sure.

[fatdaddy67]

Originally Posted by Ringo Star

Could you give us your final thoughts on the diet? In particular, Im curious to know

1) If it is a long term lifestyle change you could make
2) Did the diet meet your expectations
3) What were the short comings.
4) What would you do differently

Thanks for the awesome log! The amount of time you have put into it has been valuable to many I am sure.

I will be doing a wrapup this weekend. And you're welcome Ringo!

[longboarder89]

Ah, the thread has slightly died this past month, but no worries.

I've been really sick this past week, no idea what I have, but I've had to stop my experiment as well.

Haven't gained any weight really- my plan is as follows.

A 10 day fast (okay, before I get negative repped into hell, it's to clean out my system to jump back into a healthy diet.) it'll consist of juice fasting for the first 2 days then straight water for 8, then back to juice for 2-3 days, and back to solid foods. This will not only help me heal, but stop my addiction to food (as I know I have, especially with palatable foods that are sweet)-

Once I end my fast, I will resume with warrior diet doing carb cycling days, and incorperating a 3 day weight routine, and doing cardio everyday but only once a day now.

I think my body needed a rest and I pushed it too fast, too soon, hence why I'm sick. I really do need to get all the toxins out of my body though- I've felt terrible and the few cheat days I had probably tore apart my relatively clean system at the time.

If anyone would like to offer advice, it'd be much welcomed. I'd like to just press the restart button on the WD, and get in shape for summer. Aiming for the elusive 6 pack, but I'll be happy with just loosing the gut first.

This thread won't die! Let's keep the WD alive. I'll try and be more frequent and post daily updates when possible.

[bas781]

Just wanted to chime in that The Warrior Diet is alive and well. This is an excellent thread. I just finished week 3 of my own 30 day challenge of the Warrior way and continue to be impressed with how my body is responding. I update the ol bodyblog once a week with revised weight/measurements so feel free to check that out. Been on a fat loss deal since July 08 and caught wind of Ori's eating methods about a month ago.

Secondly, my dad has essentially been eating this way out of necessity (IBS) for years and just got into crossfit/personal trainer last spring. After cleaning up what he was taking in during the big late meal and regularly putting his body through crossfit hell he has dropped over 50 lbs. and is in the best shape of his life at 53.

The Warrior Diet is the easiest and best method I've found for consistently eating clean and dropping bodyfat.

A big thanks to all of you keeping this thread going.

[longboarder89]

Originally Posted by bas781

Just wanted to chime in that The Warrior Diet is alive and well. This is an excellent thread. I just finished week 3 of my own 30 day challenge of the Warrior way and continue to be impressed with how my body is responding. I update the ol bodyblog once a week with revised weight/measurements so feel free to check that out. Been on a fat loss deal since July 08 and caught wind of Ori's eating methods about a month ago.

Secondly, my dad has essentially been eating this way out of necessity (IBS) for years and just got into crossfit/personal trainer last spring. After cleaning up what he was taking in during the big late meal and regularly putting his body through crossfit hell he has dropped over 50 lbs. and is in the best shape of his life at 53.

The Warrior Diet is the easiest and best method I've found for consistently eating clean and dropping bodyfat.

A big thanks to all of you keeping this thread going.

Sounds great man. I hope the best for you and your dad.

Quick update

Chest/Tricep/Abs

Warm up 5 mins on the rowing machine

Flat Bench
3x10- 200 lbs
Incline
3x10-225 lbs
Tricep extensions
3x10-75 lbs
Tricep pull downs
3x10-40lbs
Abs-
2x mini superset of
20 crunches
20 obliques each side
20 leg raises
(60 in one set, 120 reps total for the whole 2 sets)

25 mins of moderate rowing on the rowing machine for cardio
5 min cool down on tread mill
Stretch

Feeling much better, just getting over being sick. I look forward to loosing whatever I have gained (only a few lbs) from a small relapse.

Though it hurts the morale, I gotta start over again and do what I can from here. Here's to a new start, and for fatdaddy, and everyone else on the WD! I hope everyone will achieve their goals!

[longboarder89]

Did 30 mins of Cardio this morning, split between bike/rowing machine. Feeling really good to get back into the gym. Although I don't follow the book, I do enjoy the first chapter in "Burn the fat, feed the muscle" where it's devoted to changing one's mindset. It really does help to use proactive language than reactive. I can instead of can't, etc.

Looking forward to getting to my goals. I hope all the other WD'ers are doing well!

[bas781]

Last night's workout:

Crossfit's "Murph" - scaled "pack" level

for time:

run 1/2 mile
50 pullups (kipping)
100 pushups
150 air squats
run 1/2 mile

Had to squeeze the 1 mile in that the end since all the treadmills were taken at first. Gosh how I hate treadmills.

time: 28:17 (not good, but it's over!)

Tonight: deadlift, bench, squat or rear dumbbell lunges and some interval cardio. Going after it a bit more this week.

[MarkandLu]

Hope all are kicking a$$ on the WD. Still cruising along here. I've dropped from 242 to 199 since January one. I do have to say that I have been working out insanely and have kept my Feast Meal very very lean. It seems to be working well other than a single bout with a kidney stone.

Looks like you're rocking along Longboarder. Workout looks intense man.

Bas781, man you've really shredded some pounds man. You look great bro.

DGNinja, glad to see you are still on the board....

Hope all is good with everyone else.

[dgninja]

Yeah I am still kicking about. For the last two weeks I was eating slightly above my estimated maintence due to me killing my metabolism. Yeah for like two months I was barely eating 1500 cals. Needless to say that was dumb. So using the WD I have gotten my metabolism back, or at least feels that way. Going to cut my cals down to about 2100-2400 cals a day on WD and push myself in some Crossfit workouts and see this works out.

[bas781]

Anyone have any personal experience doing any German Volume Training? Read a good article on T-nation.com the other day and tried it last night with deadlift. I'd heard of it before, it's been around forever, but finally decided to give it a whirl.

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_.../gvt_revisited

Took 60% of the one rep max and then did 10 sets of 10. You're not really supposed to be able to do all 10 sets at 10 reps. If you can, you're not using enough weight. Talk about brutal. 60 sec of rest between sets and I thought it'd never end. Finished up with some dbell presses and some superset core work mixed with rear dbell lunges to get the heart rate up.

I hurt.

Lookin lean yourself MarkandLu, how long did the kidney stone put you out of action? That sort of thing is probably my main concern while trying to do the whole fat loss - an injury or illness that really throws me off. Glad you were to able to push through and stay the course.

Keep the posts coming, helps maintain the motivation.

[longboarder89]

Originally Posted by bas781

Anyone have any personal experience doing any German Volume Training? Read a good article on T-nation.com the other day and tried it last night with deadlift. I'd heard of it before, it's been around forever, but finally decided to give it a whirl.

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_.../gvt_revisited

Took 60% of the one rep max and then did 10 sets of 10. You're not really supposed to be able to do all 10 sets at 10 reps. If you can, you're not using enough weight. Talk about brutal. 60 sec of rest between sets and I thought it'd never end. Finished up with some dbell presses and some superset core work mixed with rear dbell lunges to get the heart rate up.

I hurt.

My experience with GVT was a short run- I've done it a few weeks at a time (first time was a month ~4 months), then the second time I utilized it was only 2 weeks. It is a very HIGH intensity workout, so it's something to be used sparingly to break plateaus (imho). I usually do drop sets and slow negatives during my bulking periods.

You need more rest on that type of program, so try switching to 2 days a week for weight lifting. Just my advice- try doing what you are now, but you'll most likely have to tone it down because of the intensity.

Hope this helps man, best of luck to you. Keep it heavy.

[mhunter69]

Originally Posted by bas781

Anyone have any personal experience doing any German Volume Training? Read a good article on T-nation.com the other day and tried it last night with deadlift. I'd heard of it before, it's been around forever, but finally decided to give it a whirl.

Thanks for the site. I may try that myself. What are your exercises or are you sticking to deadlifts and squats?

How often are you working out?

[bas781]

Sticking to deadlifts and squat for the GVT, at least on a trial basis. That's all this is anyway, trial and error.

I work out 4-5 days a week.

[bas781]

I posted this in my warrior diet blog on my profile, but wanted to mention it in this thread as well regarding the warrior diet and the common muscle loss many experience. I ran some rough numbers regarding my weight and estimated bodyfat via the feature on my digital scale (it's not great, but taken as a starting and ending point can be useful over the span of a month).

I fell victim to some muscle loss as well. Particularly the first week and a half of the switchover. I'd say it was anywhere from 2-4 lbs. lost of lean mass based on the estimates. However, the good news is that I've gained it all back the last 2 1/2 to 3 weeks, but with less overall body fat than the starting point.

I'm really curious over the course of I'd say the next 2 weeks what my body does as far as lean mass vs. body fat %. At some point soon I'll need to actually have the body fat done professionally, but the scale at least gives me a decent gauge on change, though perhaps not an actual accurate number.

[longboarder89]

Originally Posted by bas781

I posted this in my warrior diet blog on my profile, but wanted to mention it in this thread as well regarding the warrior diet and the common muscle loss many experience. I ran some rough numbers regarding my weight and estimated bodyfat via the feature on my digital scale (it's not great, but taken as a starting and ending point can be useful over the span of a month).

I fell victim to some muscle loss as well. Particularly the first week and a half of the switchover. I'd say it was anywhere from 2-4 lbs. lost of lean mass based on the estimates. However, the good news is that I've gained it all back the last 2 1/2 to 3 weeks, but with less overall body fat than the starting point.

I'm really curious over the course of I'd say the next 2 weeks what my body does as far as lean mass vs. body fat %. At some point soon I'll need to actually have the body fat done professionally, but the scale at least gives me a decent gauge on change, though perhaps not an actual accurate number.

yes, the muscle loss is a part of the warrior diet. I haven't taken any 'accurate' measurements of my bf anything, but I can safely say that it does not turn into strength loss however. I'm stronger than ever.

I apologize, if anyone is following this topic frequently, for the lack of updates. School, and work have been very hectic, and jumping onto the workout routine again is hard. Just gotta have determination.

My routine is as follows:

Monday: Cardio in the morning (30 mins)
Lifting around 6 (Chest, Triceps, Abs)

Tuesday/Thursday: HITT Cardio in the morning (15 mins)
Ab work at night, 30 min of LISS cardio.

Wednesday: Cardio in the morning (30 mins)
Lifting around 6 (Shoulders, Back, Biceps)

Friday: Cardio in the morning (30 mins)
Lifting around 6 (Legs)

My meals are 2,000 calories and I eat at 7, while hitting the sauna occasionally.

I am trying to switch up my exercises for each bodypart, I think I'm hitting a pleateau with the exercises I've been using.