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03-17-2009, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by alan aragon
Hey bro, postworkout fiber is pretty darn inconsequential unless your'e doing multiple endurance events back-to-back. And even then, strict fiber avoidance postworkout isn't likely to make any meaningful difference. I've edited the original post to reflect this.
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Nice shirt Branch. Where didja get it?!
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03-17-2009, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by alan aragon
Hey bro, postworkout fiber is pretty darn inconsequential unless your'e doing multiple endurance events back-to-back. And even then, strict fiber avoidance postworkout isn't likely to make any meaningful difference. I've edited the original post to reflect this.
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Thanks, Alan. I figured as much but thought it would be worth asking, as I've grown accustomed to a huge bowl of the new flavored "Fiber One" post-workout.
Hope all is well!
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PS - BTW, diggin' the new avvy!
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03-17-2009, 04:40 PM
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Is this good for post workout?
I had a 1lb muscle milk and was using 1 scoop with 1 scoop ON 100% natural whey gold standard post workout. But since ive finished the muscle milk last week, i've been using 2 scoops of ON.
But would it be better to mix whey with a mixed protein thats slow digesting like muslce milk bsn syntha6 or lean dessert or a casein because your body would have the quick digesting protein it needs from the ON and for a few more hours it would stil be getting fed protein through the muscle milk or casein or the bsn. Or would those different proteins slow down the ON whey??
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03-17-2009, 05:45 PM
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hey alan
what do you think about waximaize products as a postworkout carb? i just bout some and im hoping its not a mistake
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03-18-2009, 06:03 PM
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hey alan
what do you think about waximaize products as a postworkout carb? i just bout some and im hoping its not a mistake
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IIRC, WMS is a waste of money unless you're competing in multiple endurance events in a single day. I believe Alan discusses this in the "Research Review," which you can subscribe to here:
http://www.alanaragon.com/researchreview
Good luck with your goals.
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03-18-2009, 06:59 PM
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thanks man.. much appreciated
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03-22-2009, 04:07 PM
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Little confused
My pre work out meal always cosisted of a cup of oats and 6-8 eggwhites, depending on the price, sometimes I throw a full egg in there as well. My post work out meal consists of 2 scoops of whey and thats it until 60-90 minutes, then I'll have my rice and breast. After reading through most of this thread I'm wondering, should I have a little lemonade with my whey and continue with my scheduled meals.
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03-23-2009, 09:09 AM
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About post workout nutrition
Hi there,
I'm new and I have a few question. I'll try to keep them simple.
1) I have a training program which consists of approx. one hour weight lifting and 40 minutes medium-intensity cardio. Most articles state that one should take the post workout nutrition as soon as possible after workout. The question is: Does 'the workout' include the cardio or not?
2) The ideal timing for the post workout nutrition varies from author to author. In general, they say it should be taken within 30 minutes. Well, for me... changing and driving home from the gym takes around 30 minutes. Then I drink a protein shake at home. Do you think this is still acceptable? Or should I prepare a shake to drink just after gym? I'm kind of lazy to do that.
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03-23-2009, 09:47 AM
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Hi there,
I'm new and I have a few question. I'll try to keep them simple.
1) I have a training program which consists of approx. one hour weight lifting and 40 minutes medium-intensity cardio. Most articles state that one should take the post workout nutrition as soon as possible after workout. The question is: Does 'the workout' include the cardio or not?
2) The ideal timing for the post workout nutrition varies from author to author. In general, they say it should be taken within 30 minutes. Well, for me... changing and driving home from the gym takes around 30 minutes. Then I drink a protein shake at home. Do you think this is still acceptable? Or should I prepare a shake to drink just after gym? I'm kind of lazy to do that. 
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Assuming your pre-workout nutrition is sufficient (follow Alan's guidelines), there's no need to stress about getting a shake or post-workout meal in immediately after your workout.
Good luck.
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03-23-2009, 08:35 PM
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So confused
I have lifted weights and worked out for years and always workout first thing in the morning. I have read so many conflicting opinions on eating pre-workout.
My question is, do I need to eat something pre-workout. My workouts are usually an hour and a half..weights for an hour then cardio for 20 minutes or so. If I do need to eat pre-workout, what should I eat. My goals are total transformation..fat loss, muscle gain/toned and tight. When and what should I eat post-workout. I am totally confused on all of this. Please help!
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03-23-2009, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jentx30
I have lifted weights and worked out for years and always workout first thing in the morning. I have read so many conflicting opinions on eating pre-workout.
My question is, do I need to eat something pre-workout. My workouts are usually an hour and a half..weights for an hour then cardio for 20 minutes or so. If I do need to eat pre-workout, what should I eat. My goals are total transformation..fat loss, muscle gain/toned and tight. When and what should I eat post-workout. I am totally confused on all of this. Please help!
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Yes, you do. Everything you need to know is covered on the first page.
ps is that an affliction shirt alan? i am dissapoint.
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03-24-2009, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Seamless
Yes, you do. Everything you need to know is covered on the first page.
ps is that an affliction shirt alan? i am dissapoint.
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It's an Affliction shirt. I gave it to him in trade for some BCAA's and a 1/2 off coupon for some Waxy Maize.
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03-24-2009, 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Dip87
Is this good for post workout?
I had a 1lb muscle milk and was using 1 scoop with 1 scoop ON 100% natural whey gold standard post workout. But since ive finished the muscle milk last week, i've been using 2 scoops of ON.
But would it be better to mix whey with a mixed protein thats slow digesting like muslce milk bsn syntha6 or lean dessert or a casein because your body would have the quick digesting protein it needs from the ON and for a few more hours it would stil be getting fed protein through the muscle milk or casein or the bsn. Or would those different proteins slow down the ON whey??
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BSN products ****ING ROCK (see sig), but the answer to your brotastical question is no.
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03-24-2009, 11:18 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamless
Yes, you do. Everything you need to know is covered on the first page.
ps is that an affliction shirt alan? i am dissapoint.
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It's not just an Affliction shirt. It's a FEDOR EMELIANENKO shirt. I bought it out of sheer principle. Hate if you must, but secretly, you want.
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03-24-2009, 12:55 PM
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It's not just an Affliction shirt. It's a FEDOR EMELIANENKO shirt. I bought it out of sheer principle. Hate if you must, but secretly, you want.

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See all those peeps around him? See how none are looking at him? They are scared. You don't look fear in the eyes and have a good day at the amusement park.
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03-24-2009, 12:56 PM
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It's not just an Affliction shirt. It's a FEDOR EMELIANENKO shirt. I bought it out of sheer principle. Hate if you must, but secretly, you want.

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Don't you dare make me break out the whole story behind that shirt.
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03-24-2009, 01:02 PM
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lol!
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03-24-2009, 01:35 PM
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alan
Great article. But can you help me. Here is the skinny (pardon the skinny ref). I take Super Pump 250 along with 2 tabs creatine before and Wheybolic plus 2 tabs of creatine after. I aslo take 2 caps MDrol daily. I have 2 weeks left on my cycle of MDrol. Should I take anything after my cycle is over? What about Novedex? Cycle Assist? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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03-24-2009, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rocketcy7
Great article. But can you help me. Here is the skinny (pardon the skinny ref). I take Super Pump 250 along with 2 tabs creatine before and Wheybolic plus 2 tabs of creatine after. I aslo take 2 caps MDrol daily. I have 2 weeks left on my cycle of MDrol. Should I take anything after my cycle is over? What about Novedex? Cycle Assist? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Not my area of expertise, brah.
Go here:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumd...sprune=30&f=17
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03-24-2009, 02:12 PM
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mmmmm.... MDool .... mmmmmm.....
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03-24-2009, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rocketcy7
Great article. But can you help me. Here is the skinny (pardon the skinny ref). I take Super Pump 250 along with 2 tabs creatine before and Wheybolic plus 2 tabs of creatine after. I aslo take 2 caps MDrol daily. I have 2 weeks left on my cycle of MDrol. Should I take anything after my cycle is over? What about Novedex? Cycle Assist? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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As long as you are taking the Superpump 250 on an EMPTY STOMACH, you should be good to go.
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03-24-2009, 06:27 PM
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Alan a while back the topic of casein vs whey pre and post workout was brought up. I remeber you saying that one of the protein powders you recommended was Sustain to get the double bang for your buck(Casein and Protein). So I forget, did you settle the argument that casein and whey should be taken together to get the full benefit from both proteins? Wouldn't Whey and the casein would provide for longer maintained Nitrogen Balance? I have your book right next to my bruce lee library LOL. Not sure where I placed them though it will turn up. Thanks man. Btw they still need your opinion in the BCAA/Cottage Cheese thread. Later
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03-24-2009, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ss4vegeta1
Alan a while back the topic of casein vs whey pre and post workout was brought up. I remeber you saying that one of the protein powders you recommended was Sustain to get the double bang for your buck(Casein and Protein). So I forget, did you settle the argument that casein and whey should be taken together to get the full benefit from both proteins? I have your book right next to my bruce lee library LOL. Not sure where I placed them though it will turn up. Thanks man. Btw they still need your opinion in the BCAA/Cottage Cheese thread. Later
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I honestly don't think it makes much difference. The scant amount of research on this topic is split down the middle. So, perhaps the cover-all-theoretical-bases route would be to have both casein & whey. But again, I personally see this as being a very small factor amongst a host of other more influential variables in the big picture. As for my input in the BCAA/cottage cheese thread, I already gave it right here, and it thus far has not been directly contested:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=383
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03-24-2009, 07:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alan aragon
I honestly don't think it makes much difference. The scant amount of research on this topic is split down the middle. So, perhaps the cover-all-theoretical-bases route would be to have both casein & whey. But again, I personally see this as being a very small factor amongst a host of other more influential variables in the big picture. As for my input in the BCAA/cottage cheese thread, I already gave it right here, and it thus far has not been directly contested:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=383
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Ok here is something else I wanted to ask you. What does your diet look like these days? I am no where near as smart as you in nutrition but I do alot of research on quality foods and supplements. It seems only natural that a person such as yourself with all your dedication, who loves to talk about, research and find those results to make better choices. Wouldn't you apply them to your own diet as well? So would you be able to give us a typical run down of a usual day for you and an indepth explaination of why you chose that particular food, if so supplement in addition? Cheers
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03-24-2009, 09:21 PM
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Alan you mentioned that spiking insulin is not necessary unless one is considering working out 2x a day instensely. How do you feel about the obesity epidemic? Do you think in 2009 society is too insulin dependent and it has led to alot of insulin resistance? Therefore concering fatloss shouldn't we instead of spiking insulin we should try to elevate insulin levels even PWO?
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03-24-2009, 09:35 PM
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Alan you mentioned that spiking insulin is not necessary unless one is considering working out 2x a day instensely. How do you feel about the obesity epidemic? Do you think in 2009 society is too insulin dependent and it has led to alot of insulin resistance? Therefore concering fatloss shouldn't we instead of spiking insulin we should try to elevate insulin levels even PWO?
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Make that "Western society." :P
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03-25-2009, 09:08 PM
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Alan what is your take on glutamine? Any benefit at all to add this in one's diet?
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03-25-2009, 11:32 PM
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My question is, do I need to eat something pre-workout. When and what should I eat post-workout. I am totally confused on all of this. Please help!
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what the **** universe did I just step into? alan took years to refine the answers to these questions, and you reply to them asking them again? READ ALANS POST HE EXPLAINS EVERYTHING WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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03-25-2009, 11:37 PM
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Alan, I didn't have a question, but I just wanted to thank you man. Most people with your expertise don't share anything, you on the other hand answered almost every question in this thread.
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03-26-2009, 12:30 AM
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what the **** universe did I just step into? alan took years to refine the answers to these questions, and you reply to them asking them again? READ ALANS POST HE EXPLAINS EVERYTHING WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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