Do you guys really think holding your breath is going to help him with his light headed feeling?
One thing you guys seem to harp on is taking a deep breath keeps your core tight. Well it does keep your core tight but before ANYONE touches a squat or deadlift they should already know how to keep their core tight while breathing.
Getting light headed at the end of a hard set of squat/deads isn't necessarily unusual.
He's a lot better off doing that than trying to do a heavy squat while inhaling on the eccentric... talk about inviting disaster. You simply cannot be as tight while inhaling/exhaling as you can performing a proper valsalva.
The car example has been around a lot longer than Rippetoe by the way.
One thing you guys seem to harp on is taking a deep breath keeps your core tight. Well it does keep your core tight but before ANYONE touches a squat or deadlift they should already know how to keep their core tight while breathing.
I am dying to hear someone try to argue with that
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Getting light headed at the end of a hard set of squat/deads isn't necessarily unusual.
Agreed.
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Originally Posted by Kiknskreem
He's a lot better off doing that than trying to do a heavy squat while inhaling on the eccentric... talk about inviting disaster. You simply cannot be as tight while inhaling/exhaling as you can performing a proper valsalva.
In your avatar it looks like you hit 4 reps and at a pretty decent speed. It didn't look to me like you were stopping at the top exhaling, taking a huge breath and doing another rep? My point being is I think that is fine for 1 rep maxes but the OP is talking reps of 10. I personally would get really light headed after 5 or so reps unless I stopped at the top for a few seconds. While doing deadlifts to breath like that you'd have to completely set the bar down for a second or two each rep to breath.
In your avatar it looks like you hit 4 reps and at a pretty decent speed. It didn't look to me like you were stopping at the top exhaling, taking a huge breath and doing another rep?
Its a gif and is sped up. I absolutely take and hold a breath each rep. Those reps are actually cut from a set of 8.
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My point being is I think that is fine for 1 rep maxes but the OP is talking reps of 10. I personally would get really light headed after 5 or so reps unless I stopped at the top for a few seconds. While doing deadlifts to breath like that you'd have to completely set the bar down for a second or two each rep to breath.
Nothing wrong with taking a second to collect your breath between reps.. in fact here's me doing 315x9... you can clearly see me taking and holding a big breath each rep. A deadlift is supposed to be set down each rep... you lift it from a dead stop... hence the name 'deadlift'.
I think 1quick1 doesn't understand how it works, it does not mean you hold your breath for 20 reps
Mark Rippetoe, Bill Starr, Glen Pendlay, Mike Burgener, Charles Staley are only a few coaches who use and teach this technique
so maybe they are all wrong and I can understand that is possible .
So .. I say the next time you are lifting heavy weights try both techniques and see which one allows you to lift more weight with tighter core, for longer time and with better form.... then make up your mind
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I am pretty sure this is from my asthma and limited ability to process oxygen, but it's kind of annoying.
I find at the end of a squat or DL set, I have to sit down. I feel like I am light headed and going to hit the floor (pass out.)
Sometimes if it happens during mid set on the squats, I will just stand with the bar, and take a few deep breaths, until I can finish the set.
I reduced the sets from 10 reps to 7. It does not feel like my muscles are that tired, just that my lungs can't keep up. I sit down on a bench, for a minute and everything is pretty much back to normal.
Anyone else experience this?
breathe man dont be panting while doing it ik its hard everytime i do squats heavy it feels like i smoked 3 joints
I think 1quick1 doesn't understand how it works, it does not mean you hold your breath for 20 reps
Mark Rippetoe, Bill Starr, Glen Pendlay, Mike Burgener, Charles Staley are only a few coaches who use and teach this technique
so maybe they are all wrong and I can understand that is possible .
So .. I say the next time you are lifting heavy weights try both techniques and see which one allows you to lift more weight with tighter core, for longer time and with better form.... then make up your mind
I think it is more of a communication breakdown, because I also agree with you 100%. The point is that before someone squats or DL's "heavy" they should already have a technique for maintaining a tight core. There is more than one way to do that.
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Breath holding and valsalva's maneuver causes a brief intense spike in BP while you lift (which is why you should try to breathe through the lift, not hold your breath). When you finish the set, the sudden drop in BP results in a transient cerebral hypoxia similar to when you get up too fast after sitting still for a long time, and you feel like you're going to black out.
Yes , I've always believed this , but after seeing kicknskreem deadlift video , he pauses to take breaths
Probably the best thing if you're fighting to get air
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I think it is more of a communication breakdown, because I also agree with you 100%. The point is that before someone squats or DL's "heavy" they should already have a technique for maintaining a tight core. There is more than one way to do that.
well yes and no, heavy is relative , 6 months ago 180lbs was very heavy for me and now I warmup with that same weight
knowing the technique and actually practicing it correctly are two different things it takes time to get your muscles to do do exactly what your brain thinks, if you are lucky enough to have a good coach you can speed up the process
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I am pretty sure this is from my asthma and limited ability to process oxygen, but it's kind of annoying.
I find at the end of a squat or DL set, I have to sit down. I feel like I am light headed and going to hit the floor (pass out.)
Sometimes if it happens during mid set on the squats, I will just stand with the bar, and take a few deep breaths, until I can finish the set.
I reduced the sets from 10 reps to 7. It does not feel like my muscles are that tired, just that my lungs can't keep up. I sit down on a bench, for a minute and everything is pretty much back to normal.
Anyone else experience this?
Could be any of the things everyone suggested, or it could be the way you are breathing, during your sets. I used to get light headed doing heavy squats, until I modified my breathing techniques. After that, I never had a problem with it.
I have this happening, from a different cause, radiation that affected the carotids, when I straighten up the blood pressure in my neck increases but the blood flow is decreased causing lower blood flow to the brain,
I have worked through some of it, the doctors are trying to find out a way to 'fix it' for me. If I do very slow squats, up and down, the same with the dead lift I can get up without the light headed effect.
Its not as bad as it was but still interferes with doing them correctly.
one thing it could be, as i have the same problem except i have passed out a few times, is artritus (i know i can't spell) i have it in my c6 and 7 base of my neck i get swelling which creates the problem might be worth getting it checked just in case
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Well it does keep your core tight but before ANYONE touches a squat or deadlift they should already know how to keep their core tight while breathing.
Most people don't get that. Controlling your core while talking, walking and chewing gum is something that has to be practiced. It takes time. It's easier to teach them to hold their breath. As a matter of fact if you ask most to demonstrate shoring up their core they will tense up and hold their breath unable to talk (get them to say something then poke them in the stomache ). They don't understand the technique.
That being said, with some of the loads these powerlifters use, if their technique wasn't working for them they'd be crippled or worse. They don't get to those loads overnight.
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