President Obama unveils education plan

[RIKTER]

Originally Posted by hwpnow

President Obama = son of low income single mother.

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LOL..one example, albeit a great one, compared to millions more on the flip side. Does one need to post all the studies etc showing direct links to kids of unwed single mothers and crime, lower level of education, etc to prove my point or is Obama(1 in amillion) a good enough example for you to disregard common sense?

[hwpnow]

Originally Posted by RIKTER

LOL..one example, albeit a great one, compared to millions more on the flip side. Does one need to post all the studies etc showing direct links to kids of unwed single mothers and crime, lower level of education, etc to prove my point or is Obama(1 in amillion) a good enough example for you to disregard common sense?

I really don't know what you are arguing here. You seem to be saying that because of the circumstances in which one is born, it is pointless to seek to give them a good education.

Strange.

I am not suggesting that the problem of low income single mothers is ok. I am not promoting that lifestyle nor is anyone else I think, especially the President. He has already spoken out boldly about the need for father's to do their jobs and take responsibility for their kids and families. I'm sure you know that.

I think what the President is trying to do is address the problems we have with education in this country, in a sensible, pragmatic non ideological way. Thus he:

- wants to reward teachers based on their performance, and cut bad teachers from schools who have previously been protected by unions or longevity in teaching. (which makes sense)

- encourage parents to do their jobs as parents and take responsibility for their kid's lives and education. Thus turn off the video games and TV, pick up a book, make sure their kids do their homework first and are learning. (which makes sense).

- tell students that dropping out is unacceptable. Support and encourage their efforts to gain a higher education. Remind them that we need them to be educated as a nation. (which makes sense)

- improve crumbling schools, and support/reward good teachers. Encourage a culture of learning, where education is valued and rewarded. (which makes sense).

I'm tired of the "stupid American" stereotype. And, coming from a few less than mediocre schools myself, I can see how even getting good grades in a suck ass school doesn't amount to much.

I really can't find fault with the President on this one.

[frankenstein]

Originally Posted by hwpnow

I trust an educated law professor who studied and taught the Constitution over some random R&P poster with no evidence of education who seeks to discredit the educated because he doesn't want the government to play a role in education any day.

The FEDERAL govt has zero ability to control education like it does. If the states and cities want to do so, that's their game. Try asking a law professor without a political agenda. Need some referrals?

[paolo59]

Originally Posted by hwpnow

I trust an educated law professor who studied and taught the Constitution over some random R&P poster with no evidence of education who seeks to discredit the educated because he doesn't want the government to play a role in education any day.

LMAO The last person in the world I would trust is a liberal politician who happened to be a law professor who studied and taught the Constitution. In Obama's estimation the Constitution is as valuable as a roll of toilet paper. It is something to be played with, twisted, turned, reinterpreted, and made to be what every left wing wack job could concievably desire it to be. Accept reality. Obama is a Harvard trained liar, and an incredibly left leaning one at that!

[Skettch]

Obama comparing the US to South Korea, he just demonstrated that hes a total idiot(or assumes everyone listening to his speech's is).

[Baby_Hercules]

As a teacher myself I think he is trying to move us in the right direction. Its going raise the standards and make us have to work harder than we would like to, but in the long run its worth it. As for those who criticize him for supporting "No child left behind," the difference between Obama and Bush is that Bush set all these mandates, but didn't give school systems the funding to make it possibleto reach them. No child left behind was good in theory, but without money its meaningless. Republican lawmakers, i.e. governors, legislators, presidents, etc... always cut education funding first when they get into office which makes initiatives like this one futile. Obama has stated that he would adequately fund it. We'll see.

[hwpnow]

Originally Posted by paolo59

LMAO The last person in the world I would trust is a liberal politician who happened to be a law professor who studied and taught the Constitution. In Obama's estimation the Constitution is as valuable as a roll of toilet paper. It is something to be played with, twisted, turned, reinterpreted, and made to be what every left wing wack job could concievably desire it to be. Accept reality. Obama is a Harvard trained liar, and an incredibly left leaning one at that!

I bet you don't even know what liberal or left leaning means. Just something you repeat from Rush Limbaugh, the uneducated college dropout fat ass radio hot head.

[hwpnow]

Originally Posted by Skettch

Obama comparing the US to South Korea, he just demonstrated that hes a total idiot(or assumes everyone listening to his speech's is).

Well, if I am head manager at an engineering firm, and I am hiring, chances are I will receive resumes from a South Korean (some of whom were my college professors here in the US) and an American. And chances are I will be comparing these applicants to see which one would benefit my company the most to hire.

And, if Americans continue to lag behind in math and science, chances are I will be hiring the the Korean.

I guess the President wanted us to be more competitive with the rest of the world. How dare he!

[Skettch]

Originally Posted by hwpnow

Well, if I am head manager at an engineering firm, and I am hiring, chances are I will receive resumes from a South Korean (some of whom were my college professors here in the US) and an American. And chances are I will be comparing these applicants to see which one would benefit my company the most to hire.

And, if Americans continue to lag behind in math and science, chances are I will be hiring the the Korean.

I guess the President wanted us to be more competitive with the rest of the world. How dare he!

You don't get it, South Korea is successful because of all the things Obama stands against.

[Epictetus IV]

Originally Posted by RIKTER

LOL..one example, albeit a great one, compared to millions more on the flip side. Does one need to post all the studies etc showing direct links to kids of unwed single mothers and crime, lower level of education, etc to prove my point or is Obama(1 in amillion) a good enough example for you to disregard common sense?

lol wow

My mom is an unwed single mother, and I seem to be doing just fine. In college, 3.7 GPA (been on dean list as well), not a single thing on my record - not even a speeding ticket... Oh, and an IQ of 132 (taken through my philosophy department at my university)....

So you're point here is ridiculous. One of my roommates' mother is also an unwed single mom, and he seems to be doing just fine as well. (In college, high GPA, good job)

So, have this neg, you ignorant piece of ****.

[leafs43]

Cliffs?

32 minutes long, dun have time to watch.

[paolo59]

Originally Posted by hwpnow

I bet you don't even know what liberal or left leaning means. Just something you repeat from Rush Limbaugh, the uneducated college dropout fat ass radio hot head.

LMAO I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh. Happen to be at home today, but normally I work during the day Monday through Friday. I do enjoy listening to Mark Levin. Your point is a pathetically weak one, but one that I've come to expect from the likes of the brain dead left. Note to the knee jerk liberals; people don't listen to folks like Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, or any number of conservative talk show hosts because they need to be told what to think, they listen because they already think that way. I've never needed a radio talk show host to tell me what **** looks like or smells like, I've known that since I was knee high to a grasshopper. Obama opens his mouth, and the room is instantly filled with that odor.

[kappakai]

Originally Posted by Mtguy8787

all powers not specifically granted to the federal is left to the state. The obvious meaning is that the federal government is meant to be limited to the roles specifically outlined. Of course, that hasnt been followed for a couple dozen decades.
.

who gets to grant the powers? congress?

[hwpnow]

Originally Posted by paolo59

LMAO I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh. Happen to be at home today, but normally I work during the day Monday through Friday. I do enjoy listening to Mark Levin. Your point is a pathetically weak one, but one that I've come to expect from the likes of the brain dead left. Note to the knee jerk liberals; people don't listen to folks like Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, or any number of conservative talk show hosts because they need to be told what to think, they listen because they already think that way. I've never needed a radio talk show host to tell me what **** looks like or smells like, I've known that since I was knee high to a grasshopper. Obama opens his mouth, and the room is instantly filled with that odor.

Then explain left, liberal and left leaning in relationship to the topic of this thread which is Obama's education plan. Explain how his policy of "not worrying about whether an ideal is liberal or conservative, just find something that works" is incredibly far left leaning liberalism.

Please, tell me how Obama taking on the teacher's unions is a liberal thing. Also, let us know how Obama's consistent calls for personal responsibility when it comes to self discipline in education is far liberal and left leaning, and as you call it sh*t.

And when you are finished ignoring what I asked you to respond to, and setting up straw men to argue that Obama is a socialist who wants big government despite the fact that he has consistently said he is not a socialist and he does not believe in big government but smart government, please justify the expansion of government over the past 8 years under your conservative, Republican "no nation building", "smaller government", "ownership society" President Bush.

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[TheGunther]

From some one that was in school during the years of clinton and the first term of bush, I can tell you that the issuance of the No Child Left Behind Act has been the worst thing to ever hit the education system.

If I were to reform education. I would first give power back to the states immediately and desolve the department of education.

The next step is up to each state. States allow schools room to change education practices, this spurs competition.

The teachers union is killing education and should be disolved.

Some of my worst experiences in school were because the teacher could flat out not teach. Teachers should have to adhere to strict standards and knowledge tests much like Nurses and other medical practitioners use.

[RIKTER]

Originally Posted by Epictetus IV

lol wow

My mom is an unwed single mother, and I seem to be doing just fine. In college, 3.7 GPA (been on dean list as well), not a single thing on my record - not even a speeding ticket... Oh, and an IQ of 132 (taken through my philosophy department at my university)....

So you're point here is ridiculous. One of my roommates' mother is also an unwed single mom, and he seems to be doing just fine as well. (In college, high GPA, good job)

So, have this neg, you ignorant piece of ****.

Lol..yeah because colleges as opposed to prisons are filled with young men from unwed govt assisted teenage single mother households.....my point, unlike yours, is not based on emotion but rather cold hard facts! Congrats on doing well..you are the exception not the norm......"facts are stubborn things"

My point was/is that unless we change the cultural norms of unwed teenage girls having kids then it doesnt matter how much money we throw at these schools, their offspring on avg are destined for failure, crime, dropout, etc...thats not me talking, thats statistics...now whos the ignorant one again???

[Stizzel]

Originally Posted by kappakai

who gets to grant the powers? congress?

The constitution

[ripper6]

The ONLY reforms education needs is to give every parent a VOUCHER and let the parents choose the school they want for their children. (Did Obama put his children into public schools? Why?)

Then have standardized universal testing to be sure schools are meeting educational goals.

[nutsy54]

Originally Posted by hwpnow

For Bush, No Child Left Behind appeared to merely be a slogan. I'm not saying he didn't have good intentions, but I really don't think Bush was the best President to lead on the issue of education.

However, President Obama had to come up from the bottom. As he mentioned in the latter part of his speech, he emphasized how only through education was he able to become President of the United States.

What a load of partisan horse ****.

This President, who "came up from the bottom", is plunging our country TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS DEEPER INTO DEBT. But that's OK, because he's been "educated", right?

What the hell does the President's upbringing have to do with making it OK to enact unconstitutional programs?

[nutsy54]

Originally Posted by leafs43

Cliffs?

32 minutes long, dun have time to watch.

Everything gets better when the Government steals enormous amounts of money from taxpayers, and pours it into a massive new bureaucracy that's unconstitutionally invasive into State's rights and responsibilities. Just look at all the other examples of Big Government providing the best solution

[Cramerica]

Originally Posted by hwpnow

For Bush, No Child Left Behind appeared to merely be a slogan. I'm not saying he didn't have good intentions, but I really don't think Bush was the best President to lead on the issue of education.

However, President Obama had to come up from the bottom. As he mentioned in the latter part of his speech, he emphasized how only through education was he able to become President of the United States.

LOL...I don't know what to tell you man. I mean, I don't know if he actually said that and even if he did I can't believe you'd actually buy into it. You shouldn't be so naive to think he, or so many other politicians, got to where they are today solely on education. Take a look at his election tactics in Chicago if you really give a ****.

[nutsy54]

Originally Posted by kappakai

who gets to grant the powers? congress?

The Powers granted to the federal government. . . by the Constitution.

[Cramerica]

I'm sorry, I have to address this quote again...

Originally Posted by hwpnow

For Bush, No Child Left Behind appeared to merely be a slogan. I'm not saying he didn't have good intentions, but I really don't think Bush was the best President to lead on the issue of education.

However, President Obama had to come up from the bottom. As he mentioned in the latter part of his speech, he emphasized how only through education was he able to become President of the United States.

So by that accord, why is it that Obama can or should overturn the ban on federally funding embryonic stem cell research?

Is that what he studied in college?

If not, by your account, he has no legitimacy to get into the scientific realm.

[Stizzel]

Originally Posted by Cramerica

LOL...I don't know what to tell you man. I mean, I don't know if he actually said that and even if he did I can't believe you'd actually buy into it. You shouldn't be so naive to think he, or so many other politicians, got to where they are today solely on education. Take a look at his election tactics in Chicago if you really give a ****.

I'm sure he could easily back up your point as long as you provide an example of a white politician.

[89FoxBody]

Originally Posted by hwpnow

President Obama = son of low income single mother.

/post

Whose education was funded by outside sources, including people associated with the PLO.

Wat?

Secondly he was not a PROFESSOR. I'm tired of this garbage rumor.

Thirdly, No Child Left Behind was co-authored by none other than the murderer himself Ted Kennedy. Bet you didn't even know that did you? One of the biggest democrats in the senate helped write it. I'm not surprised you are unaware, PMSNBC probably never mentioned it.

The US spends more per pupil than almost every other 1st world nation...yet our students fail at basic things like math and science. Looks like the government is doing a great job, right? Wrong.

Also, the districts in the country with the HIGHEST per pupil educational expenditure, have the WORST test grades. Chicago (Obama's backyard, big surprise), Washington D.C., etc. The government interfering in education has FAILED, miserably. The teacher's union has a stranglehold on the entire system, and they are owed favors from the democrats because of their campaign contributions. You can't fire bad teachers. There is next to NO merit involved in education. 'Merit pay' is a gimmick and it accomplishes little with respect to the entire system.

But why should Obama and the rest of the Washington cronies give a ****? All their kids go to private schools like Sidwell Friends in Washington.

But lets have government get more involved. That always solves everything. Or not...

[hwpnow]

Originally Posted by Cramerica

LOL...I don't know what to tell you man. I mean, I don't know if he actually said that and even if he did I can't believe you'd actually buy into it. You shouldn't be so naive to think he, or so many other politicians, got to where they are today solely on education. Take a look at his election tactics in Chicago if you really give a ****.

Yeah, that Chicago politics is powerful. I mean, just look at Governor Blagojevich, not only is he still governor, but he's also a very viable candidate for 2012. Although I have to agree with you in thinking that education did not play a role in Obama's election, it's purely Chicago politics.

Which is why I'm looking forward to an uneducated high school drop out to go through the same Chicago political system as Obama did, and become the President of the United States.

[89FoxBody]

Originally Posted by hwpnow

Yeah, that Chicago politics is powerful. I mean, just look at Governor Blagojevich, not only is he still governor, but he's also a very viable candidate for 2012. Although I have to agree with you in thinking that education did not play a role in Obama's election, it's purely Chicago politics.

Which is why I'm looking forward to an uneducated high school drop out to go through the same Chicago political system as Obama did, and become the President of the United States.

Did you forget the part where Obama's minions got Jack Ryan's divorce records unsealed right during the election? Good timing there huh?

Or how about how he got his committee seats in the state legislature as favors from friends?

How about how a corrupt real estate thug bought Obama's house and then sold it to him at a huge discount, only to be sent to prison soon after for the same types of shady dealings?

Obama is as dirty as they come brother. People really need to wake the hell up.

[Cramerica]

Originally Posted by hwpnow

Yeah, that Chicago politics is powerful. I mean, just look at Governor Blagojevich, not only is he still governor, but he's also a very viable candidate for 2012. Although I have to agree with you in thinking that education did not play a role in Obama's election, it's purely Chicago politics.

Which is why I'm looking forward to an uneducated high school drop out to go through the same Chicago political system as Obama did, and become the President of the United States.

LOL...are you using Blago as a defense of your point?

[hwpnow]

Originally Posted by 89FoxBody

Did you forget the part where Obama's minions got Jack Ryan's divorce records unsealed right during the election? Good timing there huh?

So, the fact that Jack Ryan got divorced is supposed to effect a vote? If it's a fact, then it's a fact. Why shouldn't the public know about it?

Or how about how he got his committee seats in the state legislature as favors from friends?

link?

How about how a corrupt real estate thug bought Obama's house and then sold it to him at a huge discount, only to be sent to prison soon after for the same types of shady dealings?

Do you want Obama's old home? He's not using it now. Hey guess what? My family was good friends with a guy in the 90s who just recently got convicted of running a Ponzi scheme. He headed a few academic programs I was involved in, so I guess I'm responsible for everything that went on in his personal life too.

Damn. I should have known something was up when he asked for more potato salad at that potluck...

Obama is as dirty as they come brother. People really need to wake the hell up.

You tell good ghost stories don't you? I can already tell

[kappakai]

Originally Posted by Stizzel

The constitution

Originally Posted by nutsy54

The Powers granted to the federal government. . . by the Constitution.

but obviously, the president and the federal government have gained powers not clearly enumerated in the constitution. through what authority did they gain these powers?

and don't say the fukking constitution.