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Old 03-02-2009, 06:46 PM   #1
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looking for a cut program, need suggestions

im going to go on a cut in a few weeks and i need a program thats gonna help cut down on fat and still build muscle, does anyone heard of any good ones, or have had a program that works for them?
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Old 03-02-2009, 07:04 PM   #2
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im going to go on a cut in a few weeks and i need a program thats gonna help cut down on fat and still build muscle, does anyone heard of any good ones, or have had a program that works for them?
2 days on one day off split, cardio 45 min x 5 times per week. eat every 2-hours and drink a lot of water
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i feel like that much cardio and no lifting would break down muscle, i want to try to still get stronger but get cut at the same time
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Old 03-03-2009, 06:47 AM   #4
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What about a 3 day split with cardio in between. Im looking for similar goals as yourself.

This is what I do..


M - Shoulders/Legs (Some Abs)
T- Cardio Session
W - Back/Biceps (Some Abs)
Th - Cardio Session
F - OFF
S - Chest (Some Abs)
Sun - Off (Maybe some Cardio sometimes if I have the time)

Good Diet, Lots of water..
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Daily cardio will not cause muscle loss.

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i feel like that much cardio and no lifting would break down muscle, i want to try to still get stronger but get cut at the same time
What's up Danny. My needs are similar to yours. I am working to get lean. While you are entertaining the notion of increasing your cardio, I just plain and simply LOVE TO RUN. I love the gym and lifting but there's nothing that moves me better than a nice 2-3 mile run. I run 4-to-5 times a week- up to a maximum of 45min per run. Initially I was under the impression that too much cardio will cause muscle loss- putting me in a catabolic state but I was completely wrong and here's why:

Does too much cardio make you lose muscle?

"One common exercise myth is that doing too much aerobic exercise, or doing it
too hard makes you lose muscle. While it?s certainly possible this could happen, only
extreme amounts of high impact, high intensity cardio would cause large muscle losses to
occur. For example, endurance training and bodybuilding don?t go well together. The
muscle loss issue is usually highly exaggerated. If you?re in doubt, don?t guess: Carefully
track your lean body mass with skinfold testing and adjust your cardio and nutrition
accordingly.

Losing muscle is most likely caused by three factors: Inadequate caloric intake,
inadequate protein or dieting without including a weight training program. You?re more
likely to lose muscle from not eating enough than you are from doing too much cardio. If
your lean body mass drops, it?s usually because you?re missing meals or not eating
enough.

Provide yourself with the proper nutritional support, including adequate meal
frequency, protein, carbohydrates and total calories, and it?s not likely that you?ll lose
muscle, even with daily 45-minute cardio sessions. It?s ironic that so many people are
worried about losing muscle from cardio when they?re skipping meals and eating meals
without protein." -Tom Venuto "Burn the fat, feed the muscle"

This book has kicked ass for me. I do 45min cardio workouts 4-5 times a day. I am weight training 4 days a week, getting my proper nutrients in the proper amounts, and sufficient water and I am not losing muscle, I am losing fat!

It's important to make sure that you are consuming an adequate amount protein per LEAN BODY MASS LBS, and consuming plenty of water to support the metabolic process. You also might want to look into H.I.I.T. (High Intensity Interval Training) as well.

Hope this was helpful!
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i feel like that much cardio and no lifting would break down muscle, i want to try to still get stronger but get cut at the same time
I think Mr. Anderson above was not suggesting this. He suggested a 2 day on one day off split for lifting with the 5 days of cardio mixed in. I agree with him, do a full body workout, perhaps a push/pull split or something of that nature. M/T/TH/F. Might be a good idea to start off with 30 min cardio after workouts first, then increase as necessary if you dont see results after a couple weeks.
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What I do is take Hydroxycut hardcore, work my abbs for 30 mins, left heavy for 20 to 30, then cardio for 20 to 30. I do this Monday through Friday and take 2 to 3 protein shakes a day and a hell of a lot of water!!! works great for me. And obviously watch what you eat?

What ever you do, good luck!
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What's up Danny. My needs are similar to yours. I am working to get lean. While you are entertaining the notion of increasing your cardio, I just plain and simply LOVE TO RUN. I love the gym and lifting but there's nothing that moves me better than a nice 2-3 mile run. I run 4-to-5 times a week- up to a maximum of 45min per run. Initially I was under the impression that too much cardio will cause muscle loss- putting me in a catabolic state but I was completely wrong and here's why:

Does too much cardio make you lose muscle?

"One common exercise myth is that doing too much aerobic exercise, or doing it
too hard makes you lose muscle. While it?s certainly possible this could happen, only
extreme amounts of high impact, high intensity cardio would cause large muscle losses to
occur. For example, endurance training and bodybuilding don?t go well together. The
muscle loss issue is usually highly exaggerated. If you?re in doubt, don?t guess: Carefully
track your lean body mass with skinfold testing and adjust your cardio and nutrition
accordingly.

Losing muscle is most likely caused by three factors: Inadequate caloric intake,
inadequate protein or dieting without including a weight training program. You?re more
likely to lose muscle from not eating enough than you are from doing too much cardio. If
your lean body mass drops, it?s usually because you?re missing meals or not eating
enough.

Provide yourself with the proper nutritional support, including adequate meal
frequency, protein, carbohydrates and total calories, and it?s not likely that you?ll lose
muscle, even with daily 45-minute cardio sessions. It?s ironic that so many people are
worried about losing muscle from cardio when they?re skipping meals and eating meals
without protein." -Tom Venuto "Burn the fat, feed the muscle"

This book has kicked ass for me. I do 45min cardio workouts 4-5 times a day. I am weight training 4 days a week, getting my proper nutrients in the proper amounts, and sufficient water and I am not losing muscle, I am losing fat!

It's important to make sure that you are consuming an adequate amount protein per LEAN BODY MASS LBS, and consuming plenty of water to support the metabolic process. You also might want to look into H.I.I.T. (High Intensity Interval Training) as well.

Hope this was helpful!
this helps, see the reason i thought doing a lot of cardio could break down muscle is because during my short high school wrestling career i saw a lot of kids noticeably decrease strength and size, most likely due to the intense workouts and cutting weight..but i know my training wont be as intense as losing 10 pounds in one day without eating(like some wrestlers do)

so im definitely going to keep eating right, taking my protein, and drinking water

and as for my workout, since im currently doing "Bill Starr's 5x5"
im considering making my lift slightly less intense by doing Rippetoes 3x5
with atleast 30 min of cardio every day
so thats MWF lift and cardio, TTh just cardio, SS off
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