Waxy Maize Starch

[keembo]

how is true protein's chocolate WMS? worth a try or move to something else? How much would you all suggest me to buy (in pounds) if I take it 3 scoops a day?

[Gavin_]

How does WMS do for a during- workout drink (DWO)? I usuay run a 15g whey + 15g dextrose + 15g malto mix per our working out. I am going to try 15g whey + 30g WMS for my next DWO drink. I want to switch to WMS just due to the feedback of how it feels in the stomach which is important to me during training (fight training).

I've seen a few studies saying the speed of carb post-exercise isn't a big factor at all. If it helps, great. If it doesn't, I don't see the big problem. I'll be happy to be on a stomach-friendly carb that isn't so sweet.

If I run a DWO drink, do I need to take the WMS (w/ the leucine, creatine, BCAA, etc) or will my DWO drink have me covered up until my PWO shake (whey + oats + spinach)?

[zest]

Link updated-
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/67/54/

[cmamath13]

Thanks for posting this link!

[RoidinRichie]

what's the best brand to use, or should I say what is the cheapest waxy maize product, and where can I get it, I'm sorta limited to GNC and Vitamin Shoppe

[wheels30]

Wuts up guys...kinda confused here with the waxy maize...anyone truly know the kind of insulin spike it gives post workout...i hear it doesent and others say it does...

[cdayton11]

has anybody tried BSN's new Volumaize? i just ordered some yesterday and am wondering how it compares with the others.

[DaveGabe24]

Originally Posted by wheels30

Wuts up guys...kinda confused here with the waxy maize...anyone truly know the kind of insulin spike it gives post workout...i hear it doesent and others say it does...

As a result of absorbing so fast, it may conceptually create a larger insulin spike. At the very LEAST, it is equivalent to other carbs such as dextrose, maltodextrin, etc.

[KeyHAWK]

I had to buy me a tub today. I cant wait to try it.

[saternal]

Just got my tub. I'm quite new to WM but from what i heard it helps transport nutrients alot quicker so i was wondering if i took it with SizeON and Xtend INtra workout would it help?

[dsade]

Originally Posted by saternal

Just got my tub. I'm quite new to WM but from what i heard it helps transport nutrients alot quicker so i was wondering if i took it with SizeON and Xtend INtra workout would it help?

I find that it does.

[zest]

Originally Posted by saternal

Just got my tub. I'm quite new to WM but from what i heard it helps transport nutrients alot quicker so i was wondering if i took it with SizeON and Xtend INtra workout would it help?

I always put a little in with white flood ...works well.

[DrowNz]

Wouldn't you want your protein shake straight after your workout? Is the 20 minutes wait worth it? atm im taking my wm with my vp2 isolate straight after my workouts...

Also, am a little confused with the 'empty calories' idea. I am trying to go on a pretty strict fat-loss diet. Would the carbs from WM count towards my daily carb intake or not?

Thanks ^^.

[esabet]

Originally Posted by DrowNz

Wouldn't you want your protein shake straight after your workout? Is the 20 minutes wait worth it? atm im taking my wm with my vp2 isolate straight after my workouts...

Also, am a little confused with the 'empty calories' idea. I am trying to go on a pretty strict fat-loss diet. Would the carbs from WM count towards my daily carb intake or not?

Thanks ^^.

I second this question!!

I was planning on taking my VP2 with Dextrose and Maltodextrine and then I was introduced to WM, so, to say the least, I am now officialy very confused!

[Blast_]

Take it however you want... no big deal. To this day I still take it directly PWO and then PWO shake 15-20 min. later, but that's because of habit.

And yes those carbs count toward your daily carb intake.

[bartjsn1]

I have to bump Optimum Nutrition's waxy maize!!!

[sinner66]

... Waxy Maize Starch is derived from natural corn starch and is a food grade modified starch. It is very bland in flavor and has a white fluffy like consistency. We recommend using a shaker or a blender (this is best) to mix this product as it does not mix well. Immediate use is recommended as it has a tendency to clump. We have gone through great lengths testing and tweaking our Waxy Maize Starch to be palatable. We have found one that tastes fairly well and functionality wise it is top of the line.

So what’s so special with Waxy Maize in comparison to dextrose or maltodextrin? Many people have used a mix of dextrose and maltodextrin for post workout nutrition for years because it works and is vital for proper glycogen replenishment. Welcome to the new era of post workout nutrition… Waxy Maize Starch. WMS has a much higher molecular weight and a much lower osmolarity rate compared to dextrose or maltodextrin, so what does this mean… Mainly, WMS bypasses the stomach, is absorbed by the intestines and immediately is assimilated; this is all done at a much faster rate than dextrose or maltodextrin, almost double.

WMS can help the absorption rates of many of your favorite supplements like creatine monohydrate, creatine ethyl ester, cell volumization and nitric oxide type supplements, etc. Nutrients like this often times are left in the stomachs harsh acidic environment and degrade absorption rates. WMS helps shuttle these nutrients to bypass the stomach and allow the body to assimilate these nutrients at a much higher rate.

WMS has the ability to replenish the body’s glycogen stores much faster than a mix of maltodextrin or dextrose. This is accomplished again by WMS’s ability to bypass the stomach and go to the intestines for immediate absorption. WMS’s ability to shuttle all these nutrients and starch gives the body an immediate "pump" you can physically feel in your muscles post workout. You will see a much larger, fuller and rounder muscle belly.

Dextrose and maltodextrin can cause water retention and bloating, hence WMS’s popularity with pre contest and contest preparation carbohydrate replenishment. Many dieters choose WMS as their carb of choice as it is sugar free and an ideal source of a long chain complex carbohydrate.

We recommend starting with one 70 cc scoop post workout and see how your body responds.

[esabet]

Originally Posted by sinner66

... Waxy Maize Starch is derived from natural corn starch and is a food grade modified starch. It is very bland in flavor and has a white fluffy like consistency. We recommend using a shaker or a blender (this is best) to mix this product as it does not mix well. Immediate use is recommended as it has a tendency to clump. We have gone through great lengths testing and tweaking our Waxy Maize Starch to be palatable. We have found one that tastes fairly well and functionality wise it is top of the line.

So what’s so special with Waxy Maize in comparison to dextrose or maltodextrin? Many people have used a mix of dextrose and maltodextrin for post workout nutrition for years because it works and is vital for proper glycogen replenishment. Welcome to the new era of post workout nutrition… Waxy Maize Starch. WMS has a much higher molecular weight and a much lower osmolarity rate compared to dextrose or maltodextrin, so what does this mean… Mainly, WMS bypasses the stomach, is absorbed by the intestines and immediately is assimilated; this is all done at a much faster rate than dextrose or maltodextrin, almost double.

WMS can help the absorption rates of many of your favorite supplements like creatine monohydrate, creatine ethyl ester, cell volumization and nitric oxide type supplements, etc. Nutrients like this often times are left in the stomachs harsh acidic environment and degrade absorption rates. WMS helps shuttle these nutrients to bypass the stomach and allow the body to assimilate these nutrients at a much higher rate.

WMS has the ability to replenish the body’s glycogen stores much faster than a mix of maltodextrin or dextrose. This is accomplished again by WMS’s ability to bypass the stomach and go to the intestines for immediate absorption. WMS’s ability to shuttle all these nutrients and starch gives the body an immediate "pump" you can physically feel in your muscles post workout. You will see a much larger, fuller and rounder muscle belly.

Dextrose and maltodextrin can cause water retention and bloating, hence WMS’s popularity with pre contest and contest preparation carbohydrate replenishment. Many dieters choose WMS as their carb of choice as it is sugar free and an ideal source of a long chain complex carbohydrate.

We recommend starting with one 70 cc scoop post workout and see how your body responds.

Sinner66;

What is your recommendation as to if one should mix Whey Protein Isolate and Creatine with WMS and take it all together or should they be taken, as others are recommending here, 15-20 minutes later?

[LS2Stew]

The OP sounds very good, I must start using this. Where can you found it in UK?

[zest]

Originally Posted by LS2Stew

The OP sounds very good, I must start using this. Where can you found it in UK?

http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk

[heavyliftset]

Bump for updates... any testimonials on WMS versus the other post workout carbs? Just curious...

[MikeCellucor]

Originally Posted by edogg011

Bump for updates... any testimonials on WMS versus the other post workout carbs? Just curious...

If I do BCAA and Waxy pre, during, and post ...I get pretty nice fullness into the next day. Without the waxy the sustained "pump" so to speak is not really there.

I do notice improved endurance during my workouts as well. I notice this all with dextrose as well, but I hold much more water. I actually stayed leaner and more vascular on WMS.

I have used many different kinds and have seen no difference, but I do use well respected bransds....both retail like opt and bulk from others.

Fruit Punch flavor and WMS so far is the best I could find. Still tastes like flour, haha...BCAA in the mix...you cant win. I swear by the combo though...

[esabet]

Originally Posted by MikeCellucor

If I do BCAA and Waxy pre, during, and post ...I get pretty nice fullness into the next day. Without the waxy the sustained "pump" so to speak is not really there.

I do notice improved endurance during my workouts as well. I notice this all with dextrose as well, but I hold much more water. I actually stayed leaner and more vascular on WMS.

I have used many different kinds and have seen no difference, but I do use well respected bransds....both retail like opt and bulk from others.

Fruit Punch flavor and WMS so far is the best I could find. Still tastes like flour, haha...BCAA in the mix...you cant win. I swear by the combo though...

Post WO, do you mix Whey Protein in your shake? What brand of WMS do you recommend the most?

[br3ntb]

Hey guys,

I have been following this thread since the beginning and just took my first serving of WMS last night post workout. I mixed two scoops (80g) with my whey (50g) and took both down the hatch at once...I see what everyone means about feeling it "drop" through the stomach. Also, no bloated feeling so I was able to eat my last meal before bed with no stomach discomfort. I do 30mins cardio after my weight training because I'm in pre-contest mode so I feel it's better for me to take both immediately PWO verses splitting them up and possibly missing my 30-45 minute window. So far I am pleased with the product!

[weltweitefurcht]

I just read this article on the bodybuilding.com front page.

What do you guys think about what he said about waxy maize digesting slower than maltodextrin and even bread?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/waxy...tarch_myth.htm

really curious to hear responses

[esabet]

Originally Posted by weltweitefurcht

I just read this article on the bodybuilding.com front page.

What do you guys think about what he said about waxy maize digesting slower than maltodextrin and even bread?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/waxy...tarch_myth.htm

really curious to hear responses

I read that Article as well about few days ago. Before I had read the Article I was about to give it a shot but after I changed my mind. Rather to stick to the proven Post-Workout carbs such as Dextrose and Maltodextrin!

[265HP]

vitagro Samples tasted awful, like chugging down liquid wax

Waxy maize was a nasty experience for me, 2 workouts then my stomach ache and gases started, not worth it


Dextrose all the way

[Birddog6424]

LOL, just found this thread. Twenty-two pages of people singing the praises of Waxy Maize.

And they were all wrong!!!

It's crap. And now we all know it.

But it just goes to show you all that is wrong with the supplement industry. The WMS people made their product and shilled it to the consumer as a product that performed in a particular manner and they never even tested it!!

Or worse yet, tested it and lied to us!

WMS is junk. You are better off with Malto, Dextrose, or a solid cup of good old fashioned Quaker Oats.

And shame on all the dumbasses on this thread and other places for pawning it off on trusting consumers.

[naturalguy]

Originally Posted by weltweitefurcht

I just read this article on the bodybuilding.com front page.

What do you guys think about what he said about waxy maize digesting slower than maltodextrin and even bread?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/waxy...tarch_myth.htm

really curious to hear responses

That article does not even mention one of the best properties of wms. That is that it is very light on the stomach and easily digested, this is a big point when taking carbs during and post training. You don't want something heavy in your stomach or something that bloats you.

Nice article however my real world experience with wms will keep me using it. It's a versatile and easily digesting form of carbs.

[Agent-1]

Originally Posted by Birddog6424

LOL, just found this thread. Twenty-two pages of people singing the praises of Waxy Maize.

And they were all wrong!!!

It's crap. And now we all know it.

But it just goes to show you all that is wrong with the supplement industry. The WMS people made their product and shilled it to the consumer as a product that performed in a particular manner and they never even tested it!!

Or worse yet, tested it and lied to us!

WMS is junk. You are better off with Malto, Dextrose, or a solid cup of good old fashioned Quaker Oats.

And shame on all the dumbasses on this thread and other places for pawning it off on trusting consumers.

Agree 1000%.

People should have looked for the facts and this could have been avoided.

This should be a lesson in integrity. Any company who actually made a product like this has zero. They all hopped on the band wagon to make a buck off of the consumers stupidity. Personally, I would NEVER use a company's products (any of them) who makes a WMS product. This is proof that they will lie their a**'s off to get your money. The fact that they even made this product is a testament to how much they care about you. How can you trust a company's other products when they will force a product that they KNOW doesnt work on you? What else will they do? It discredits EVERYTHING they do and EVERYTHING their "research department" has to say forever.

What ever happened to actually working in the customers best interest....and making a profit?! It can be done, these companies (who make a WMS product) are too lazy and too greedy to do it.

WMS has and always will be total BS. What I think is funny is that some of the so called "experts" who write columns online who praised it are now writing articles saying "they jumped the gun" on praising it.

Yes, its nice that those people are doing the right thing and admitting their mistakes...but if you were a true scientific professional the mistake would have never been made in the first place! Im sorry, but if you are an expert you should look for solid science to prove what you are saying BEFORE you write an article. You dont just try to jump on something because everyone else is. This industry is full of people trying to make a name for themselves and giving people bad information in the process.

As far as "Real world" results....substances either do things or they dont. If they do, it can be shown on paper, if they dont, its placebo. They are called facts. Guys seriously...it's okay to admit you were wrong. You were lied to by people that should have been able to be trusted...its not your fault. Its happened to all of us. The longer you continue to hype this crap....the worse your creditability gets. Just eat it and move on. Dont let you ego keep you from getting the best results possible for yourself.

All of these sorts of things could be avoided with just a little common sense. Look before you jump! WMS is cheap cheap cheap to make....thats why it was pushed so hard...SUPER high profit margin.

I cant tell you how many times Ive had this argument with people.

Its time to bury WMS and any company that was low enough to lie to you about it.