Muscletech's newest product: Aplodan

[deserusan]

Originally Posted by BiggJohn

No where did I say the product contained creatine. I want to know how much better it is supposed to be than the top creatine products already on the market today.

Originally Posted by BiggJohn

You gained some strength using the product, but could you have gained that same amount of strength by using Creatine Monohydrate or Di-Creatine Malate or Beta-Alanine? The product is very expensive, it's cost must be justified compared to the baseline product options.

Interesting. Does MT know you were questioning their products or their customers? THEY DO KNOW!

[NO HYPE]

Originally Posted by Destroya

[0073] Vanadium (Vanadyl Sulfate)

[0074] Vanadium is a trace mineral. Vanadium appears to be important in normal bone growth and as a cofactor for various enzyme reactions. Vanadium inhibits ATPases, phosphatases, and phosphoryl-transfer enzymes. Some evidence suggests that vanadium can mimic the actions of insulin, possibly by causing phosphorylation of insulin receptor proteins. Vanadium activates the receptor; stimulates glucose oxidation and transport; inhibits lipolysis in adipose tissue; stimulates glycogen synthesis in the liver; inhibits hepatic gluconeogenesis; inhibits intestinal glucose transport; and increases glucose uptake, utilization, and glycogen synthesis in skeletal muscle.

This substance does NOT belong in our supplements. When consumed chronically, vanadyl sulfate can be detrimental to health (AT VERY LOW DOSAGES)....



Vanadyl Sulfate... Why is this toxic garbage in our supplements?

Originally Posted by NO HYPE

Hepatoxicity

Nephrotoxicity

Renal peroxidation

Central nervous system effects and/or neurological effects.

Depression of aortic cholesterol

Elevated organ vanadium

Phosphorylation/dephosphorylation inhibition

Na+ -K+ -ATPase inhibition

Depression of growth

Reproductive dysfunction

"No more than 1.8 mg/day should be used in people. Some manufacturers promote high dosages (15 to 100 mg) of vanadyl sulfate per day, but studies do not support such dosages, and they may be toxic."


"Target Organs: Kidneys, liver, respiratory system, eyes, skin."


"May cause liver and kidney damage."


"May cause central nervous system effects and/or neurological effects."


"Causes digestive and respiratory tract irritation."


"May cause severe gastrointestinal tract irritation with nausea, vomiting and possible burns."


"May cause greenish-black tongue discoloration due to deposition of vanadium salts. Ingestion of large amounts may cause an increase in blood pressure."


"40% of the patients exhibited gastrointestinal disturbances and 40% exhibited green tongues. After intakes of 4.5 to 18 mg V/day over 6 to 10 weeks, the patients developed green tongues, cramps and diarrhea"


"a decrease in cystine caused by vanadium was presumably the reason for reduced amounts of coenzyme A. Coenzyme A is involved in the synthesis of cholesterol, and therefore may affect the occurrence of atherosclerosis."


"It is retained in highest amounts in the kidney, liver, testes, bone, and spleen."


"Most of the excessive retained (exogenous) vanadium is deposited in bone."


"vanadium accumulation may occur if relatively small excess doses are taken for a prolonged time."

"people who are regularly exposed to high amount of metals, e.g., vanadium contained in certain dietary and musclebuilding regimens, may have increased risk for vascular diseases."

[kutzkev]

I stacked this product with some other electrolyte products and ended up hospitalized and high liver enzymes for weeks. I could only attribute the problem to this product which I had never taken before. Just an FYI for everyone....

[teenwolf41]

A MT product that sounds too good to be true? How is this news?

[Robboe]

Originally Posted by kutzkev

I stacked this product with some other electrolyte products and ended up hospitalized and high liver enzymes for weeks. I could only attribute the problem to this product which I had never taken before. Just an FYI for everyone....

Elaborate?

[tlabowski01]

So, if Vanadyl sulfate is bad for you, would it be wise not to purchase CL's white flood? I read in their product description they mentioned it but did not see it on the supplement facts label or ingredient listing.

[tlabowski01]

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[redtopp06]

Originally Posted by IntensityX

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exactly! products may ''kinda'' work but cost tooooooo damn much for the little results. better stuff out there for less $

[Itachi_Fr]

wooow! **** i'm using every day A supplement in post training which contain vanadyl : 5mg!

I must change it!
thanks for this information

[SPACECLOWN]

Wut another fawked up MT thrad??? OMG

[Itachi_Fr]

But it's strange, I remember a Man, who take 10 serving of Vanadyl sulfate (Ultimate Nutrition) which contain 10mg = 10x10 = 100mg o_O in a day ! and during several Month ! and he doesn't feel anything just a light diarrhea, no green tong lol

[MegaPump]

Originally Posted by RenegadeRows

The question remains:

a) Does this product live up to it's claims, activating dormant muscle fibers

and

b) Is MT trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the public by writing on their labels the scientific names of common compounds, such as creatine and ALA?

I'm genuinely interested in finding out what this product is about. There's no way they release a product, claiming what it claims, only to have it be creatine, correct? That would be a poor road to travel down.

By putting the muscle under a longer period of tension, there is more muscle fiber recruitment. I think this is what they are getting at. I dont have any experience with it to say if it does or doesn't. Seems like it may be worth a try at some stage. I think doing some hypertrophy style training would work best when using this product.

[MegaPump]

Am i missing something, is Vanadyl Sulfate in Aplodan ?

Edit: Iv just looked into your thread on Vanadyl Sulfate and quickly scrolled through the first page. At first when reading your above post I thought Vanadyl Sulfate was the devil, and was in Aplodan which means it may come with those side effects. Did we come to a conclusion to the issue of Vanadyl Sulfate which is supposed to be in most of our supplements.