think im getting tested

[TripTastic]

semper knows not to swear at his co or any nco's... this is a bout of frusteration and I understand that. Semper...in a way they do kinda own you but that's a different story and truly a matter of opinion. Masking agents....do some research into this.

[RexHead]

Originally Posted by 1bebigger

dont expect to pursue much of anything worthwhile in security detail with that on your record.

This reaches farther then just security jobs. I work in the IT industry and if someone hasn't been discharged honorably from the service I probably won't bring them in for the interview. I'm not trying to be an ass, but there are so many great people out there why should I bother. It sends up a red flag that something isn't correct.

If it happens, it happens and you'll need to deal with it. But like 1bebigger said no reason to be "billy bad ass". Don't burn those bridges even if your let go. You'll never know what they can do for you. I've had to let people go but if they left on good terms I have helped them find a job.

This whole situation sucks.

Here is some info I found.
http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/c...df/101001p.pdf
http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/c...df/101016p.pdf

[N4cer]

I used to administer drug tests. I've still never seen a masking agent that won't show up to make the test invalid.

[TripTastic]

Originally Posted by N4cer

I used to administer drug tests. I've still never seen a masking agent that won't show up to make the test invalid.

so is there anythin that is worth a f*ck?

[N4cer]

I'm not saying there's nothing that works. Just nothing I've ever seen or researched.

There's the best way: don't arouse suspicion.
Personally I say get an attorney and get the ph's. That's a simple fix if you ask me.

[bigbench]

The ph's are a very good idea. All the metablolites can be found using legal supps. Also, find out what type of test it is. There is one test that checks for metabs of compounds (VERY expensive) while others just check your test/estro levels (you cannot be over 7:1 I believe) If its the latter of the two, which prob is cause its much cheaper, then you can beat it by raising your estro levels. You will have to get blood tests done before hand to check where you are at, but it can be done.

[N4cer]

Actually no. The cheaper test tests for Test:Epitest ratio. Not Test:Estrogen.

[TripTastic]

Originally Posted by N4cer

I'm not saying there's nothing that works. Just nothing I've ever seen or researched.

There's the best way: don't arouse suspicion.
Personally I say get an attorney and get the ph's. That's a simple fix if you ask me.

Cool man....j/w....you always seem to know wtf is going on .... I don't think I'd ever be tested basically because my unit is super tight and I keep my mouth shut.

Semper blew up QUICK quick.....and no offense to semper because he knows his **** and is def. one of us but you never know who lurks these forums. His bodyspace had tons of full pictures of him showing his face, g/f, house, etc. NOt that I'm saying this sparked suspician but maybe some dumbass jr enlisted in your unit may have seen them and squeeled. I know plenty of dumbass pvts that have come to me trying to squeel on others just to make themself look good (not about aas)....AND I recently got my e6....but they even came to me as a buck sgt. These ppl are the ones I really fuk with on at's, drills, etc. etc. I hate a rat.

[N4cer]

I hate that I know what's going on because it means I have too much experience and little focus. LOL! I've done a lot in my short time on this earth. Jack of all trades, master of none.

[patryn8]

Semper for sure get some advice from an attorney, preferably outside of the military, if you know for sure the test is coming down. Until then just continue on as normal. When and if the test comes pay as close attention as you can to the "chain of custody" of your urine sample and how you are singled out for a test. If memory serves me correctly, if you are asked to submit a sample voluntarily then don't. The command is going to have to have evidence to go for a probable cause. More than likely they will do a command directed and again unless things have changed I don't think they can elevate a punishment higher than NJP/article 15's. Anyways, some info below that may help, but as a former unit urinalysis nco if the chain of custody document is messed up then a defense lawyer will make it your get out of jail free trump card.

Test conducted with member's consent (VO). Marines suspected of having unlawfully used drugs may be requested to voluntarily consent to urinalysis testing. Prior to requesting consent, the command representative should generally advise the Marine that they may decline to provide the specimen. If drug paraphernalia were discovered but no drugs were found, the command should check with legal to see if there's enough evidence for a command directed or probable cause urinalysis if a request for consent is declined. Where practical, consent should be obtained in writing. According to Article 31(b), UCMJ, warnings are not required in such cases provided that no other questioning of the Marine takes place. Further guidance concerning consent searches is contained in Military Rules of Evidence (M.R.E.) 311, 312, 314 through 316.

Probable Cause Tests (PO). Urinalysis tests may be ordered per M.R.E. 312(d) and 315 whenever there is probable cause to believe that a member has committed a drug offense and that a urinalysis test will produce evidence of such an offense. Probable cause tests must meet several stringent criteria before it is considered legal. Consultation with a Judge Advocate on the issue of probable cause is strongly encouraged.

Command-directed (CO). The Command Directed does not require the same legal hurdles as Probable Cause, and can be ordered by the Commander whenever a specific Marine's behavior or conduct gives rise to a reasonable suspicion of drug abuse or whenever drug use is suspected within a unit. A command-directed examination may be ordered to determine competency for duty and the need for counseling, rehabilitation, or other medical treatment. See MCO 1700.24B and OPNAVINST 5350.7 for procedures.

Random selection (IR).This test premise is used for the random testing of work sections, groups (selected by last digit of SSN), or all command members. Testing should be conducted on a routine basis to act as a deterrent.

Once a determination on the test of premises code to use for the urinalysis is made, refer the Marine to the SACO, who will ensure that the urinalysis is conducted IAW MCO P1700.24B

[SEMPER_BIG]

Originally Posted by patryn8

Semper for sure get some advice from an attorney, preferably outside of the military, if you know for sure the test is coming down. Until then just continue on as normal. When and if the test comes pay as close attention as you can to the "chain of custody" of your urine sample and how you are singled out for a test. If memory serves me correctly, if you are asked to submit a sample voluntarily then don't. The command is going to have to have evidence to go for a probable cause. More than likely they will do a command directed and again unless things have changed I don't think they can elevate a punishment higher than NJP/article 15's. Anyways, some info below that may help, but as a former unit urinalysis nco if the chain of custody document is messed up then a defense lawyer will make it your get out of jail free trump card.

Test conducted with member's consent (VO). Marines suspected of having unlawfully used drugs may be requested to voluntarily consent to urinalysis testing. Prior to requesting consent, the command representative should generally advise the Marine that they may decline to provide the specimen. If drug paraphernalia were discovered but no drugs were found, the command should check with legal to see if there's enough evidence for a command directed or probable cause urinalysis if a request for consent is declined. Where practical, consent should be obtained in writing. According to Article 31(b), UCMJ, warnings are not required in such cases provided that no other questioning of the Marine takes place. Further guidance concerning consent searches is contained in Military Rules of Evidence (M.R.E.) 311, 312, 314 through 316.

Probable Cause Tests (PO). Urinalysis tests may be ordered per M.R.E. 312(d) and 315 whenever there is probable cause to believe that a member has committed a drug offense and that a urinalysis test will produce evidence of such an offense. Probable cause tests must meet several stringent criteria before it is considered legal. Consultation with a Judge Advocate on the issue of probable cause is strongly encouraged.

Command-directed (CO). The Command Directed does not require the same legal hurdles as Probable Cause, and can be ordered by the Commander whenever a specific Marine's behavior or conduct gives rise to a reasonable suspicion of drug abuse or whenever drug use is suspected within a unit. A command-directed examination may be ordered to determine competency for duty and the need for counseling, rehabilitation, or other medical treatment. See MCO 1700.24B and OPNAVINST 5350.7 for procedures.

Random selection (IR).This test premise is used for the random testing of work sections, groups (selected by last digit of SSN), or all command members. Testing should be conducted on a routine basis to act as a deterrent.

Once a determination on the test of premises code to use for the urinalysis is made, refer the Marine to the SACO, who will ensure that the urinalysis is conducted IAW MCO P1700.24B

some good info here, thanks man, repped

[SEMPER_BIG]

just for the record, im not trying to be some badass, im just pissed at this whole situation. next drill we will see what happens, but till then, no since in worrying about it i guess. However, i do know a few guys that got out of the reserves with an OTH and are doing fine, so it still wouldnt be the end of the world. If it were my choice though i would obviously want to finish my contract and get out with an honorable.

[1bebigger]

Originally Posted by N4cer

I used to administer drug tests. I've still never seen a masking agent that won't show up to make the test invalid.

for regular "drug" test.. this has never failed me.

http://www.passdrugtest.com/absolute-detox-drink.htm

And no gentleman, i dont stock this by the case anymore

[DYnomyte001]

For a piss test....DON'T BUY DETOX DRINKS...they try to mimic what I'm about to say but don't have enough amounts...follow this I've done it now 3 times...

Remember the whole "drink lots of water" before the test? Well it's partially correct... it does succeed in diluting the urine content, but it fails on just that level: it's too diluted with water. Problem is you must retake the test.

They measure you piss in a few ways--- Color (must have some yellow in it) Salt content, Creatinine levels, gravity (or something of that nature), and temperature. So your goal is to mimic the properties of real urine, yet still be pissing diluted water. Same color, same salt content, same temp, same creatinine.

3-5 days out... load creatine...this will increase your creatinine levels.

Day of test... 4 hours before... start pounding water, around 24oz every half hour, throw in a few tsps of salt too. 2-5g of creatine too.

-3 hours before, same deal. Pop a few aspirin (2-3 is good), and rolaids.

-2 hours out, same deal, aspirin and rolaid included.

- 1 1/2 hours out... same deal but NOW take some b-complex. Try double the dose of what it says on the bottle. Either way, make sure you piss yellow (preferably not TOO dark) before the test.

Test time... for the actual piss, make sure to put the cup in it after a few seconds of your stream as it contains less bad stuff.


This MAY NOT WORK FOR STEROIDS...but if it's a urine test, I don't see how it couldn't... you are after all pissing technically water, but has every property of urine.

2. I second a lawyer.

3. Take some ph's... a lot of them, worst case you can blame it on them. JUST MAKE SURE THEY ARE ****IN LEGAL BEFORE YOU TAKE THEM... JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE SOLD ONLINE DOESN'T MEAN THEY AREN'T BANNED.

[1bebigger]

Originally Posted by DYnomyte001

For a piss test....DON'T BUY DETOX DRINKS...they try to mimic what I'm about to say but don't have enough amounts...follow this I've done it now 3 times...

Remember the whole "drink lots of water" before the test? Well it's partially correct... it does succeed in diluting the urine content, but it fails on just that level: it's too diluted with water. Problem is you must retake the test.

They measure you piss in a few ways--- Color (must have some yellow in it) Salt content, Creatinine levels, gravity (or something of that nature), and temperature. So your goal is to mimic the properties of real urine, yet still be pissing diluted water. Same color, same salt content, same temp, same creatinine.

3-5 days out... load creatine...this will increase your creatinine levels.

Day of test... 4 hours before... start pounding water, around 24oz every half hour, throw in a few tsps of salt too. 2-5g of creatine too.

-3 hours before, same deal. Pop a few aspirin (2-3 is good), and rolaids.

-2 hours out, same deal, aspirin and rolaid included.

- 1 1/2 hours out... same deal but NOW take some b-complex. Try double the dose of what it says on the bottle. Either way, make sure you piss yellow (preferably not TOO dark) before the test.

Test time... for the actual piss, make sure to put the cup in it after a few seconds of your stream as it contains less bad stuff.


This MAY NOT WORK FOR STEROIDS...but if it's a urine test, I don't see how it couldn't... you are after all pissing technically water, but has every property of urine.

With all do respect sir,

but that is the biggest sack of bull**** i have ever read, im not gonna go into detail and stray way off topic hear, but to anyone that might have to pass a drug test in the future for rec drugs i.e pot. Dont listen to this silly, speculated jibberish.

Take it from someone that smoked pot for 10+ years, that have passed over 25+ random and lab drug tests. And obtained Government security clearance after burning a fatty 24 hours prior. Im not braggin or boosting, but whats quoted above will surely land you a positive. ive tried all that silly **** when i was younger and ended up looking stupid for thinking that itd work. there plenty of drinks out there that work great

[LostMarine]

buy legal, authorized, prohormones thats your only chance, stop pinning now, skip pct, take the PH..

i think they might be scaring you..

also, dont go UA, don't tell the CO **** off, just show up and do what you gotta do. , if your not gonna try and fake it, man up. just realize that they don't meat gaze that hard, you have a chance of faking it, but i wouldn't risk it iether..

i had 2 NJP's and still made SGT in 4 1/2 years.. (Active though)

just remember, deny deny deny. blame it on legal stuff..

[Squiffydog]

Hey guys I'm brand new here i know so i feel somewhat stupid starting off my rep here with this question but I am seeking advice/experience from any active duty military that have been through a random drug test while on their PCT (specifically Nolva). I havent even started the cycle (500mg sust/week, 400mg EQ/week-15wks). My planned PCT is 40mg/day for two weeks then drop to 20mg/day for the following two weeks...starting the PCT two weeks after last shot. I am worried about the obvious size difference my higher-ups will see but more so about the possibilty of the Nolva popping me on a piss test. Any words here much apprieciated

[Gishdream]

Subbed, I hope this works out for ya!

[The_Real_XN]

I think this is the part NO ONE can predict about AAS/PED's.

The non-using side of the debate claims horrifying disaster will befall you.

The pro-using side of the debate says it's perfectly okay.

Well, for me, I have always said one thing: "I am not anti-steroids, I am anti-drama."

And this sounds like a whole hell of a lot of drama.

This is the sort of stuff no one can warn people about -- on EITHER side of the debate. One's personal sense of ethics, accountability, and -- obviously -- stress are all affected by the choice to use.

How each person is affected is truly random.

So, it opens the topic of "diminishing return gains." How much stress, drama, confusion and lifestyle adjustment is "worth" having a manipulated physique in late August . . . ? Tough to say.

No one can tell YOU, Semper, how much hassle it is worth.

But the point is not specific to the OP, but to all. THERE IS ALREADY PERCEIVABLE RISK TO THE OP'S CHOSEN CAREER PATH. Offering words of comfort will not change the probabilities of repercussion. Offering pre-emptive offensive tactics will not reduce the possibilities of repercussion.

Even if you get by without reprimand, notice the small price you ahve already paid. You'd be up your own ass if you think this will be the last of these small drama-prices.

But meanwhile, you have put something good in your life up onto a chopping block. Hmmm. If things "work out" then you may think that it was worth the risk. if they don't, you may blame a restrictive system.

Either way, when does your own sense of personal responsibility come in?

In other words, your aggressive commitment to AAS/PED's is already boiling up stress and drama.

I just wanted to point this out as a factor that no one can predict. Most guys try to act all tough and bad-ass and presume "it won't mess with me." But we never know 'til we're there.



Hit me up, Semper. There are solutions.

[SEMPER_BIG]

Originally Posted by The_Real_XN

I think this is the part NO ONE can predict about AAS/PED's.

The non-using side of the debate claims horrifying disaster will befall you.

The pro-using side of the debate says it's perfectly okay.

Well, for me, I have always said one thing: "I am not anti-steroids, I am anti-drama."

And this sounds like a whole hell of a lot of drama.

This is the sort of stuff no one can warn people about -- on EITHER side of the debate. One's personal sense of ethics, accountability, and -- obviously -- stress are all affected by the choice to use.

How each person is affected is truly random.

So, it opens the topic of "diminishing return gains." How much stress, drama, confusion and lifestyle adjustment is "worth" having a manipulated physique in late August . . . ? Tough to say.

No one can tell YOU, Semper, how much hassle it is worth.

But the point is not specific to the OP, but to all. THERE IS ALREADY PERCEIVABLE RISK TO THE OP'S CHOSEN CAREER PATH. Offering words of comfort will not change the probabilities of repercussion. Offering pre-emptive offensive tactics will not reduce the possibilities of repercussion.

Even if you get by without reprimand, notice the small price you ahve already paid. You'd be up your own ass if you think this will be the last of these small drama-prices.

But meanwhile, you have put something good in your life up onto a chopping block. Hmmm. If things "work out" then you may think that it was worth the risk. if they don't, you may blame a restrictive system.

Either way, when does your own sense of personal responsibility come in?

In other words, your aggressive commitment to AAS/PED's is already boiling up stress and drama.

I just wanted to point this out as a factor that no one can predict. Most guys try to act all tough and bad-ass and presume "it won't mess with me." But we never know 'til we're there.



Hit me up, Semper. There are solutions.

whatever happens, i do not regret using..nor will i stop. AAS is part of the game. My real career starts in one year once i finish up college, so no worries. PTA's are in big demand right now.

[DwArF]

Hey. When I take drug tests for my job I always use fake pee. You can get it for 40 bucks at head(smoke) shop in your area.

I used to smoke a lot and would use these things all the time and never failed a drug test. It's synthetic pee with a heat activator.

[TheJuicedchase]

Originally Posted by 1bebigger

With all do respect sir,

but that is the biggest sack of bull**** i have ever read, im not gonna go into detail and stray way off topic hear, but to anyone that might have to pass a drug test in the future for rec drugs i.e pot. Dont listen to this silly, speculated jibberish.

Take it from someone that smoked pot for 10+ years, that have passed over 25+ random and lab drug tests. And obtained Government security clearance after burning a fatty 24 hours prior. Im not braggin or boosting, but whats quoted above will surely land you a positive. ive tried all that silly **** when i was younger and ended up looking stupid for thinking that itd work. there plenty of drinks out there that work great

I used to do something similar to what he suggested, worked every time. Never failed a single friend of mine either. Only time I've failed is when I've just drank a lot of water and failed to do many of the things he mentioned. I think the creatine and the vitamins are the most important part.

As for the drinks....everyone I know that's used one has failed lulz. Fake piss always works though.

[patryn8]

I'm not sure of the cut off level for steroids, but I do know that when the Army sends its sample to the testing center you would not fail unless you were above a certain level of the drug. For instance you could smoke some "mary jane" provide a sample 10 days later and you would not piss hot. Sure they will see it in the drug testing, but it has to be a certain amount. Thing is the test will come back negative as far as the command sees. So if you could dilute the sample some way it could help. Though what you would use for steroids I haven't a clue. Might do some research and see where the cut off level is for it in your system.

[jmitch2604]

Originally Posted by SEMPER_BIG

whatever happens, i do not regret using..nor will i stop. AAS is part of the game. My real career starts in one year once i finish up college, so no worries. PTA's are in big demand right now.

Good luck Semper. That's a ****ty situation your in! They could just be trying to scare you which is hopefully what they are doing. I know that it's a pretty big deal to test for steroids, and I can't understand why they would give a ****.

[mass_chaos]

Originally Posted by CloudSurfer

You know whats really weird....You know David Henry the IFBB pro with a great back he is like 5'6 200lbs in the Air Force...you can't tell me they don't know he is using.....

I've been in the Navy for the past 14 years and i asked this same question of Leo Ingram. It could be publicity for military, it could be his seniority. Who knows the real answer. I know that it is hard to know what someone is thinking but I want to know what made them think Semper was using? Semper seems to be too smart to go blabbing to anyone about his use. So, I'm ruling that out. I am 5'7'' and gets to 225 in offseason and compete anywhere from 185-195 and I have not touched aas.(Believe me, it has crossed my mind more than once.) Did they tell you why they suspect you. It is hard to tell you not to worry about it because its not my career or life. Honestly, I don't see many Warrant Officers putting their careers on the line for leaking this type of info. I wish you well and I hope everything works out.

[SEMPER_BIG]

So they didn't test me after all. I went to drill this past weekend and nothing happened. No one said anything about it, kind of like it was never even an issue. Guess it was just the typical military scare tactic. If it was going to happen it would've been this drill, so im in the clear. No test, no problems. Just goes to show you even officers will bull**** you in the military.

[C. Griswald]

good to hear bro

[Emmortal]

Originally Posted by SEMPER_BIG

So they didn't test me after all. I went to drill this past weekend and nothing happened. No one said anything about it, kind of like it was never even an issue. Guess it was just the typical military scare tactic. If it was going to happen it would've been this drill, so im in the clear. No test, no problems. Just goes to show you even officers will bull**** you in the military.

Good news bro, I bet that's a load off your mind.

[A-rod]

Hit the diuretics now......it `s urine , dilute the **** out of it ....furosemide 40 mg(lasix) + aldactone 100 mg ED. Quit the cycle and piss like crazy!

[mass_chaos]

Originally Posted by SEMPER_BIG

So they didn't test me after all. I went to drill this past weekend and nothing happened. No one said anything about it, kind of like it was never even an issue. Guess it was just the typical military scare tactic. If it was going to happen it would've been this drill, so im in the clear. No test, no problems. Just goes to show you even officers will bull**** you in the military.

Good to hear man!!! The Moron azz Warrant may suspect something and was fishing. Thats neither here nor there now. Keep doing you and getting huge. Well wishes and be safe.