Dave Palumbo demonstrating TEXTBOOK SQUATS - the NEW TOM PLATZ!!!!

[pyrolee]

basically what the op is saying is that if we all can't get into ideal full squat position (i.e. olympic lifter style) we have bad form...which is, in a sense, definitely correct because this should be a "natural" position for the human body, but it doesn't necessarily address the reality of the situation: most people don't have the necessary flexibility to get into ideal form.

Therefore, one must squat to the best of their current ability (governed by one's flexibility) and that will, optimistically, resemble Palumbo's form.

[iDarren]

What about his splayed legs stance? What are your thoughts on that?

[Kylewu]

Shoulder width or just a tad wider than shoulder width is my opinion.

You have too wide of a base and again the knee's can really be compromised, but then again when aren't your knee's compromised in a squat? It's simply why people hate to do squats like Dave said.

[TheStreetKing]

Originally Posted by SSK1903

Good stuff?

His form is bad. It's not a question of how jacked or swole he is. He is demonstrating squats, and his form is bad.

It's like doing a hunchback deadlift: "good form! nice video!"

Hello?

Palumbo has more knowledge about Exercises and Nutrition than you could acquire in 5 lifetimes brah. Don't knock the guys form, There's nothing wrong with it.

[Kylewu]

Originally Posted by pyrolee

basically what the op is saying is that if we all can't get into ideal full squat position (i.e. olympic lifter style) we have bad form...which is, in a sense, definitely correct because this should be a "natural" position for the human body, but it doesn't necessarily address the reality of the situation: most people don't have the necessary flexibility to get into ideal form.

Therefore, one must squat to the best of their current ability (governed by one's flexibility) and that will, optimistically, resemble Palumbo's form.

Personally the Olympic squats look and feel far less "natural" than just normal squats. Normaly is different for everyone. I would like to point out that people normally like to bend a little more than the Olympic form. Is it because of flexibility? Yeah I bet in some cases, but I bet in other cases because of mechanics. Like, someone's height for example.


I think its stupid how there's two different types of squats. Personally you're doing the same motion and I believe you do what makes you feel less stress. If you're knee's, and back are taking a beating then why keep squatting in the same manner? Just alternate it a little so that you can still do squats but that also make them less painful.

[musclecenter]

Check out my Olympic Barbell Full Squat. Ass to grass! 110 KG (245 Lbs) X 21 Reps
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=vglIbG....com/sub11.htm

[Stefanogym]

hey I watched the video, but I did not see a good form there

also using a belt ...is not the best advice to give to a beginner wanting to learn and use the squat the best way

[JpRus]

Originally Posted by Stefanogym

hey I watched the video, but I did not see a good form there

also using a belt ...is not the best advice to give to a beginner wanting to learn and use the squat the best way

lol ahahaahahaha epic fail.

[j_neatherlin]

Originally Posted by Stefanogym

hey I watched the video, but I did not see a good form there

also using a belt ...is not the best advice to give to a beginner wanting to learn and use the squat the best way

what makes that bad form?

[gunit00]

Other than being a moogly looking dude - Poor hand position and lack straight line center motion. But eh im no pro.

[first_second]

Originally Posted by gunit00

Other than being a moogly looking dude - Poor hand position and lack straight line center motion. But eh im no pro.

Nor is Palumbo.

[BobDaNob]

To wit:

Originally Posted by SSK1903

Wrong.

He could fix his forward lean in no time. I'm relaxed. Perhaps you aren't? Why would I not be relaxed?

Originally Posted by SSK1903

Oh please don't NEG me what am I gonna do! You haven't got a clue about the discussion so you hit the ULTIMATE weapon: NEG! oh no!

Your knowledge of biomechanics is downright embarassing.

Originally Posted by SSK1903

There is no backpedalling, and despite my use of CAPS I am not angry or upset or anything like that It's simply to place emphasis.

We're all friends here.

Originally Posted by SSK1903

HAHAAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAAHA

and HAHAHAHAAHAH!

Did I say LOL? HAHAHAHAAH!

Originally Posted by SSK1903

FYI I am not a form nazi

lol

Dude, you're a damn nutjob. If you worked out half as hard as you run your mouth you be a champion by now.

And I'm not just talking about this thread, either. Your flagrant idiocy runs rampant in most of the other threads you post in as well. I'd have negged you already if I had any left.

Because, you know, it's the ultimate weapon.

Stop taking the internetz so serious, boy. Your point of view is just as worthless as everyone elses.




And yes, you are indeed a form nazi. This thread alone speaks louder than any of your protests otherwise.

[inkedouttrucca]

palumbo does know his **** but damn dude is beastly looking. not in a good way

[SSK1903]

Originally Posted by Kylewu

First off I was not calling for a HIP dominated squat. I think we both may be interpreting each other WRONG HERE. Or atleast you are certainly taking what I'm saying wrong. You are calling for no hip motion with all the pressure on the knee's. TRUE, the knee's and the surrounding cartiledge is there to absorb shock but if you're straight up and down with all pressure on the knees you will get injured sooner than later. If you allow for some motion in the hips it just takes pressure off the hips thats all, because its sorta hard to put pressure on the hips so to speak. I was simply saying that the HIPS are a more mobile joint and having some motion is certainly OK. I was not advocating to put pressure on the hips, and thats actually hard to do doing a squat. Because there's no way getting around the knee being the focal point.

Absolutely wrong. You're bending BOTH at the knees and hips in an olympic squat. I'm not talkin about raising your heels 12 inches and bending at the legs with the torso 100% vertical and hips unbent. So, what you're writing does NOT apply. Again, look at side pics of Tom Platz. Bending at the knees, bending at the hips! (and like I said, disregard photos wher he's "maxing out" and kickin his hips back to squeeze more reps out).

Look the knee going past the toe's is simply something no one should do. If you want to dislocate a knee thats a very great way to do so. Can you do it and get away with it? Yeah you can and you may never have problems with it, but I wouldn't be surprised to see injury pronability to go UP.

Hey, no argument from me that athletic squats are safer.
But the fact you're talking about INJURIES in the cool water of Palumbo's squatting technique is crazy. What he's showing is definitely dangerous for the back, AND - on top of that - he could avoid it and still get the same leg training stimulation. And again, knees past toes - you're categorically against it. And you're categorically wrong. Provide me with the evidence. Provide me with the empirical data. You can't.

Also I never once said to do half squats. 90 degree's or slightly below 90 is what I practice and have others practice when I have the privelage to train someone. You are taking what i'm sayin and twisting it around to make yourself seem right. You are REALLy stretching here. What I was pointing out with all that 90 degree's in the bench/shoulder press was that the definition of a proper lift doesn't mean everyone is going to follow it. Go back and read. I never said I would recommend half squats.

I don't really care - to reach the degree of leg bend Palumbo is in that video his back is rounding excessively.

[SSK1903]

Originally Posted by TheStreetKing

Palumbo has more knowledge about Exercises and Nutrition than you could acquire in 5 lifetimes brah. Don't knock the guys form, There's nothing wrong with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority

Appeal to authority.

You just wrote a post containing nothing but a fallacy.

And, you're wrong. There is somethin wrong with it.

If he's training squats to build quadriceps first and foremost, which he is, then is form is definitely not optimal.


Do you people generally believe in some secret training the peripheral muscles and want everything else- grow phenomenon? If Palumbo's form is perfect OR if there's nothing wrong with it, why the heck would he lean so much over to get that level of knee bend?
What's the function of the quadriceps? First and foremost to extend the knee. Does the quadriceps work with back extension? No! do you train biceps to train triceps? No!

His quadriceps stimulation comes from the knee bend he uses. This is FACT. It cannot be argued. SO, if he can reach the SAME degree of knee bend but lean LESS over, why wouldn't he? Is it not safer, and thus better? Yes. End of discussion.

The fact that Palumbo puts on a belt to protect his lower back and then performs the exercise in a manner that is blatantly less than optimal and exposes the back to unnecessary injury potential is comedy. It doesn't matter if he's Dave Palumbo, Ronnie Coleman, or a 120 lb newbeginner.

The ONLY replies you can throw back are:
"Palumbo is bigger than you so he knows better" - Logical fallacy, appeal to authority
"Palumbo knows more than you so he is right" - Logical fallacy, appeal to authority
"His form is fine" - Ok, how is it fine? (no follow up argument)
"you're crazy/you're an idiot" How so? (no follow up substantiation)

[SSK1903]

Hey, since we're going by knowledge and rightness measured in terms of achivements, Tom Platz is obviously right when he argue?s in favor of olympic squats.

He was a pro. Palumbo wasn't.
He had much better legs than Palumbo.
He had much stronger legs than Palumbo.

The fact that people appeal to authority displays lack of insight.

[Kylewu]

Tom Platz Has better quads because he's genetically more gifted. Palumbo is a smart guy, and I bet both have their strengths and weaknesses in the fitness world. So arguing for Tom Plats just because his legs are big is like copying what Arnold does for chest just because it's impressive. Olympics squats are great for some and may not be for others. Just because people choose to not do Olympic squats (and most choose not to I would argue) doesn't mean they can't do it. It's preferenace nothing more. There's no absolute way to do anything, and think so is just ignorant.

Your passion for Olympic Squats is NOTED, but it's far from the only correct way to do it.

Palumbo's back is not rounding out in this video so I don't know where you're going there. Look at about every video of your boy Tom Platz and he'll have a belt on for squats. Bottom line belts are necessary in any for of squat at some point for precaution.

Also we've all pointed out why his form is correct. So the fact that your'e saying we haven't shown proof is crazy. Then you ask for data on everything? Well why don't you show data since you're the only hard ass minority on this thread?

Makes total sense, the other 10 or so members on this thread post DATA as well as educated reasoning, and then we're totally wrong because its Illogical or a Fallacy or a Debacle or some other adjective.

You love the words Fallacy, and Data. These words do not make you look smart, quite the contrary.

Have you noticed how you're the only one that thinks this way? So we're all wrong and you're the only one correct? You're not even more qualified than me for god sakes so seriously why can't you just admitt that his form isn't that bad, and that there's always more than one way to do things?

[iroczinoz]

I'd say the shorter you are the less forward lean you need. If you are longer you will need more forward lean. Otherwise no forward lean would mean you would topple over backwards.

[hellabutt]

oh my god i was watching with the sound muted and at 2;16 when the video goes to that old dude stroking that doll it was super weird and funny.